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Leadbone1 05-14-2020 07:36 AM

Mask Paranoia
 
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

karostay 05-14-2020 07:38 AM

I feel very safe here..The Villages is blessed with 120,000 health experts

DDVeteran 05-14-2020 07:42 AM

The Flat Earth Society is always looking for new members.

dewilson58 05-14-2020 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this?
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As more was learned about the virus, things changed. :ohdear:

Leadbone1 05-14-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1764750)
I feel very safe here..The Villages is blessed with 120,000 health experts

I am proud to be one of them.😎

DeanFL 05-14-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Well, if you don't wear the mask, at least wear this - you no doubt have a few in the closet>

golfing eagles 05-14-2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "P's" The mask will stop them from spreading it to OTHER people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

Over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But I don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.

golfing eagles 05-14-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764791)
I am proud to be one of them.😎

How so???? Your OP would seem to indicate otherwise.

GoodLife 05-14-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1764759)
As more was learned about the virus, things changed. :ohdear:

No. When Dr Fauici and the CDC told us to skip the mask they already knew the virus spread by droplets from sneezes, coughs etc This has been known about viruses for a long time, before this current pandemic. Nothing changed except they reversed course.

Leadbone1 05-14-2020 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1764797)
Well, if you don't wear the mask, at least wear this - you no doubt have a few in the closet>

Cute But irrelevant. You just expose yourself as part of the problem. Enjoy your paranoia

Leadbone1 05-14-2020 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1764801)
How so???? Your OP would seem to indicate otherwise.

Just playing along with the sarcastic Original statement. 😎

queasy27 05-14-2020 08:42 AM

From the very beginning, it was recommended that those who were infected wear masks to help prevent the spread to others. Health experts have always unequivocally stated that anything other than properly fitted N95 masks will not block the virus.

When it became clearer that asymptomatic people could still be contagious, the thinking evolved that everyone should be masked as a precaution. Wearing a mask helps limit the spread of larger droplets that are emitted when we speak, sneeze, and cough. Outbreaks like the choir practice in Washington show what can happen.

Mask wearing doesn't need to be 100% effective for me to think it's a good idea, nor does it cause me any harm to do so. I also have no issue with other mandatory health and safety codes, OSHA regulations, airport security screening, non-smoking ordinances, or private businesses establishing rules for wearing shirts and shoes.

But then, I'm a rule follower by nature. On a macro level, "live free or die" holds little appeal. On the positive side for those who disagree, my non-confrontational and introverted personality also means I would never speak up to chide someone else in public.

CarolSells 05-14-2020 08:46 AM

Well, what I was wondering about in regards to masks and gloves is that if they’re so effective why can’t we just issue them to our prison populations instead of letting them back into society? They could social distance unless they,re cell mates.

(The letters and punctuation are not coming out right.)

golfing eagles 05-14-2020 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by queasy27 (Post 1764823)
From the very beginning, it was recommended that those who were infected wear masks to help prevent the spread to others. Health experts have always unequivocally stated that anything other than properly fitted N95 masks will not block the virus.

When it became clearer that asymptomatic people could still be contagious, the thinking evolved that everyone should be masked as a precaution. Wearing a mask helps limit the spread of larger droplets that are emitted when we speak, sneeze, and cough. Outbreaks like the choir practice in Washington show what can happen.

Mask wearing doesn't need to be 100% effective for me to think it's a good idea, nor does it cause me any harm to do so. I also have no issue with other mandatory health and safety codes, OSHA regulations, airport security screening, non-smoking ordinances, or private businesses establishing rules for wearing shirts and shoes.

But then, I'm a rule follower by nature. On a macro level, "live free or die" holds little appeal. On the positive side for those who disagree, my non-confrontational and introverted personality also means I would never speak up to chide someone else in public.

To be a bit more precise, from the very beginning it was requested that those who had the infection SELF QUARANTINE for 14 days---no going out even with a mask

DeanFL 05-14-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764813)
Cute But irrelevant. You just expose yourself as part of the problem. Enjoy your paranoia

NOT paranoia. Simply a measure of safety, in case I AM infected, and a 'carrier' to others. The mask simply inhibits (to a degree) MY exhaling/coughing/sneezing from affecting others around me. period. There are so many studies showing this.

My 'exposure' as you say is a simple attempt to lighten things up - not a "problem'. I respect all views - but please don't impact others if you have a chance, as small as it might be, to infect others around you. I happen to be smack in the middle of the High Risk group - so please stay more than 6' away.

If you choose NOT to wear a seatbelt...OK - your choice, and it MAY kill you, as well as increase avg car insurance. If you drink and drive...it affects all others on the road.
Your choice, but...

DDVeteran 05-14-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1764799)
Actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "P's" The mask will stop them from spreading it to OTHER people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

Over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But I don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.

The most intelligent and sensible post on this subject I have read on TOTV.

golfing eagles 05-14-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DDVeteran (Post 1764850)
The most intelligent and sensible post on this subject I have read on TOTV.

TY, Father Sanducci

DeanFL 05-14-2020 09:06 AM

a short video showing mask vs. no mask>


Wearing mask vs not wearing mask - YouTube

golfing eagles 05-14-2020 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1764858)
a short video showing mask vs. no mask>


Wearing mask vs not wearing mask - YouTube

Aha, You Tube----the DEFINITIVE source authority for all medical information :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-14-2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1764830)
Well, what I was wondering about in regards to masks and gloves is that if they’re so effective why can’t we just issue them to our prison populations instead of letting them back into society? They could social distance unless they,re cell mates.

(The letters and punctuation are not coming out right.)

Because prisoners don't get room service or curb-side pickup. Because prisoners don't get their exercise in any of dozens of public parks where it's easy to spread out. Because prisoners don't get to use their own personal living room to watch TV, use a computer, or even use a telephone. They don't even get their own shower.

Prisoners are in prison. A lot of people all bunched up together. Doing things as groups.

Velvet 05-14-2020 09:15 AM

The change regarding masks was a result of newer information about the virus.

JoMar 05-14-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Thanks for looking out for us :(

graciegirl 05-14-2020 09:18 AM

On the Today show this morning; 5/14/20 there was an interview with a physician.
 
The interview with this physician, Dr. Joseph Fair, who is a contributor to NBC was conducted from his hospital bed on Today, today.. He is 42, a runner and in good health. He was just released last night from intensive care and still has a way to go to recover.. Here you can hear his views on masks etc. He says Covid-19 can enter through the eyes too. He also says that he has been tested four times and each time got a false negative. He treated himself at home for five days after getting sick after a flight. On the fifth day he had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital because he was having difficulty breathing. See here;

Dr. Joseph Fair: ’Best guess’ is I got coronavirus through my eyes

Sorry. He was interviewed also by Savannah and Hoda and in that interview he said more about masks.

I say wear them. Unless you want to have a bigger chance to die. That is it, pure and simple.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-14-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1764876)
The interview with this physician who is a contributor to NBC was conducted from his hospital bed on Today, today.. He is 42, a runner and in good health. He was just released last night from critical care and still has a way to go to recover.. Here you can hear his views on masks etc. He says Covid-19 can enter through the eyes too. He also says that he has been tested four times and each time got a false negative. He treated himself at home for five days after getting sick after a flight. On the fifth day he had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital because he was having difficulty breathing. See here;

Dr. Joseph Fair: ’Best guess’ is I got coronavirus through my eyes

That's why they warn people to wear disposable gloves, SANITIZE their gloves if they can't dispose of them immediately after use, and to use sanitizer and wash their hands regularly, and NOT touch their eyes.

You get the virus on your hands, and then rub an itch in your eye, and you could easily transfer the virus to your eye.

That is the #1 way conjunctivitis is spread; someone with pink-eye rubs their eye - it gets on their hand, they shake your hand, you rub an itch on your eye, and boom. You now have conjunctivitis.

graciegirl 05-14-2020 09:41 AM

Here is the interview with Dr. Joseph Fair that I think gives more info.
 
dr. joseph fair - Bing video

Rwirish 05-15-2020 05:14 AM

As more is learned about this new virus guidelines have and will continue to change.

crash 05-15-2020 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

The mask is not to protect you from the virus but to protect others from getting it from you. That is why at first they said you did not need it. They then discovered that you could be infectious without symptoms so recommended everyone wear a mask. So you are basically saying to everyone screw you I don’t care if you get the virus by not wearing the mask.

You do not need to wear the mask unless you are going to be in close contact with others. Is it really such a big deal to show respect to others by wearing a mask?

Trump doesn’t wear a mask but everyone that comes in contact with him does.

coalminer 05-15-2020 06:14 AM

You can believe the scientists and medical experts or others who have their own agenda and may bend reality to accomplish it. That's your choice. But remember, you may be betting your life on it.

CarolSells 05-15-2020 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1764862)
Because prisoners don't get room service or curb-side pickup. Because prisoners don't get their exercise in any of dozens of public parks where it's easy to spread out. Because prisoners don't get to use their own personal living room to watch TV, use a computer, or even use a telephone. They don't even get their own shower.

Prisoners are in prison. A lot of people all bunched up together. Doing things as groups.

Oh. Like groups at the grocery, or groups at the dog parks, or groups at the pools. I see.

Dave Laluk 05-15-2020 06:26 AM

I will continue to wear a mask in public to protect my neighbors, their kids and grandkids IN CASE I'M INFECTED AND NOT SHOWING SYMPTOMS. Imagine if I happened to infect one of your grandchildren...… I would feel terrible.

If I am showing symptoms, I will stay at home for at least two weeks or until they are gone. (Or I die) The simple masks do little to nothing to protect the person wearing them. People who are not wearing masks in public are putting the rest of us at risk.

yamma3 05-15-2020 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by queasy27 (Post 1764823)
From the very beginning, it was recommended that those who were infected wear masks to help prevent the spread to others. Health experts have always unequivocally stated that anything other than properly fitted N95 masks will not block the virus.

When it became clearer that asymptomatic people could still be contagious, the thinking evolved that everyone should be masked as a precaution. Wearing a mask helps limit the spread of larger droplets that are emitted when we speak, sneeze, and cough. Outbreaks like the choir practice in Washington show what can happen.

Mask wearing doesn't need to be 100% effective for me to think it's a good idea, nor does it cause me any harm to do so. I also have no issue with other mandatory health and safety codes, OSHA regulations, airport security screening, non-smoking ordinances, or private businesses establishing rules for wearing shirts and shoes.

But then, I'm a rule follower by nature. On a macro level, "live free or die" holds little appeal. On the positive side for those who disagree, my non-confrontational and introverted personality also means I would never speak up to chide someone else in public.

Wow. A voice of reason. So many of the posters on this subject make me cringe.

Singerlady 05-15-2020 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.

Go for it. I prefer to try that extra layer. By me wearing the mask, I’m protecting you. How about you wear one and protect me?
And why did they say it’s just the flu and it’ll be gone? It’s not gone....

jacksonbrown 05-15-2020 06:44 AM

Personally, I wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid.

I concur.

ladyarwen3 05-15-2020 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1764799)
actually, the masks have a useful purpose in the appropriate setting. Yes, viruses are very small, but they are spread in small droplets when a person coughs or sneezes, and even in some cases talking, especially if the spit when pronouncing "p's" the mask will stop them from spreading it to other people. It does little to protect the person wearing the mask

over 99% of all human to human viral transmission occurs indoors. So wearing a mask when you cannot guarantee 6 foot spacing at all times indoors makes some degree of sense. Outdoors they are basically useless. Yet some rec center rules require them outdoors---probably politics vs. Science. Then there are those that seem to live in a mask---driving their car, cart or bicycle, walking, etc. That's fine if it makes them happy, not as fine if they feel obligated to say something to other people not wearing a mask, who clearly have a better understanding of epidemiology than they do.

Personally, i wear a mask at grocery store and retail store, if only out of respect to those who are a bit afraid. I never wear it outdoors since the facts show it is unnecessary. But i don't think anyone should summarily dismiss masks all together.

spot on!!!

Samfl 05-15-2020 07:15 AM

We’re on the same page. Totally ridiculous to be out walking or riding a bike with a mask or even in a store for that matter.

Dana1963 05-15-2020 07:26 AM

It seems the MANDATE now in the White House all should wear a mask except when at their desk. That is except the President.
Everyone working or VISITING the executive offices are tested daily.
I will continue to wear a mask until I feel comfortable in enclosed areas. No resturant, theaters or squares and NO I'm not even thinking about a cruise or flying.

Lindsyburnsy 05-15-2020 07:31 AM

If someone coughs or sneezes in front of you, would you rather they cough into a mask or without a mask? No mask is perfect but lots of droplets that spray out, will get trapped into a mask. Why such an aversion to wearing them? It’s not a sign of weakness, but rather a sign of consideration of others.
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Originally Posted by devorejh (Post 1764748)
We initially were told by the surgeon general and also some of the doctors on the presidents team that wearing masks was unnecessary and that their only value was primarily psychological. They were not lying to you!
Why did they change this? Who knows... maybe to appease a paranoid population? 99% of the face coverings I see are useless. Viruses are microbial. You can not hide from them. How long is it going to take for this ridiculous paranoia about a virus that is 99% survivable to go away? I am somewhat encouraged as I am seeing more and more folks like myself that have discarded the masks.


davem4616 05-15-2020 07:36 AM

my wife and I put on our masks whenever we go into any retail store...what's the big deal?

I got into the habit of always buckling up the seat belt whenever I started up the car way before it became the law....because it made sense and it saves lives

my dad led the Safety Initiatives for a large heavy manufacturing company for most of his professional career...as a kid topics dealing with safety and accidents caused by unsafe actions/conditions and how those accidents changed people's lives forever were often the conversation around the dinner table

I haven't completely emptied my 'bucket list' yet, but I intend to...I'm not scared of this virus, but I choose to play it safe...wearing a mask right now in public makes sense to me...on a number of levels

the experts still don't know what they don't know about this virus

LKFraserFL 05-15-2020 07:40 AM

I believe they changed when it became known that people can be infected but asymptomatic.

Stu from NYC 05-15-2020 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Samfl (Post 1765337)
We’re on the same page. Totally ridiculous to be out walking or riding a bike with a mask or even in a store for that matter.

So you disagree with wearing a mask while driving a car or golf cart?:bigbow:


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