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Leadbone1 05-16-2020 01:44 PM

Pathetic busy bodies!
 
Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!

Topspinmo 05-16-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1765987)
Here’s a shout out to you pathetic paranoid busy bodies that can’t stand to see other people having a good time.
Earlier this week went down to Sumter landing to spend some time by the lake and saw that Gator’s had live music going. Moved my chair over there and had a nice time listening to the music and watching some folks even dance. All the tables were at least 6 feet apart, and folding chairs were scattered throughout but with nobody sitting really that close to each other. No one forced us to go there. We’re adults and we did it of our own free will. Went down Friday evening thinking I would put my chair out and listen to more music and enjoy the sunshine only to find out that The aforementioned busy bodies had reported Gator’s to the villages Subsequently the villages told them they could not do the outside music at this point in time? I don’t know by what authority The Villages can tell a private business what they can or can’t do. Outside drinking and dining has been okayed by the governor, I don’t remember there being a part of that order that said you can’t have live music while people are enjoying themselves? Can’t wait for some of the paranoid replies I’m going to get to this post!!! Bring it on!


Don’t you know is there way or the highway around here.

EdFNJ 05-16-2020 02:15 PM

It's likely Gator's agreed to abide by whatever The Villages wants them to (per their contract signed to rent the prime real estate) just like we are stuck with abiding by our deed restrictions? Or maybe T.V. feels that might attract crowds similar to having music in the square. Or maybe another business narc'd them because they couldn't have music either ? Just a few possibilities/guesses.

Stu from NYC 05-16-2020 02:46 PM

People have reported on here that for several days people were on top of each other.with no social distancing at all

retiredguy123 05-16-2020 02:54 PM

Is it possible that they consider it a bar? The Governor's order does not allow bars to be open.

Velvet 05-16-2020 03:01 PM

From what I read before, people were too close to each other. It was that action that closed it down.

Jayhawk 05-16-2020 03:06 PM

Governor put in restrictions. Probably that didn't fit the guidelines.

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Zaikov (Post 1766031)
People have reported on here that for several days people were on top of each other.with no social distancing at all

Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1766036)
Is it possible that they consider it a bar? The Governor's order does not allow bars to be open.

No, if it’s a combination restaurant and bar it is allowed to be open

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1766042)
From what I read before, people were too close to each other. It was that action that closed it down.

It’s not closed down. There are still tables outside at least 6 feet apart serving dinner and drinks. It was only the music that was canceled because obviously some people that think it’s their job to mind other peoples business. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law.

billethkid 05-16-2020 03:51 PM

And with all the alleged people all over and on top of each other how many new cases in TV since?

retiredguy123 05-16-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766049)
No, if it’s a combination restaurant and bar it is allowed to be open

I'm just curious. Are there any bars in The Villages that cannot be open?

Marathon Man 05-16-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766047)
Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

This is why we have policy makers making the decisions. Left up to the individual, we could easily move in the wrong direction.

I don't get why some don't get that.

coffeebean 05-16-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766051)
It’s not closed down. There are still tables outside at least 6 feet apart serving dinner and drinks. It was only the music that was canceled because obviously some people that think it’s their job to mind other peoples business. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law.

The recommendation for Americans to social distance is for everyone's safety. It's really not that difficult to do. Why do you feel the need to prefer people not be safe? That baffles me. Social distancing still allows people to have a good time so what is your reasoning to not follow recommendations?

coffeebean 05-16-2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1766072)
I'm just curious. Are there any bars in The Villages that cannot be open?

I think all (really should never say all but in this instance it is a pretty safe bet to say it) establishments here in The Villages are restaurant/bars.

DDVeteran 05-16-2020 04:30 PM

We're all in this together!

Tom53 05-16-2020 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766047)
Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

Yes, you are free to disregard the social distancing recommendation, but the commercial business's are allowed to stay open, PROVIDED the social distancing is being adhered to. Just like some beaches, it only takes a few to ruin it for all.

JoMar 05-16-2020 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766047)
Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

Usually the adults are willing to follow recommendations when made by people smarter then they are. Kids on the other hand will do what they can to disregard what they are told and will make decisions about where they wanna be.....just visit Disney and watch the interplay between kids and parents. I think you are confused.

CarolSells 05-16-2020 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DDVeteran (Post 1766083)
We're all in this together!

No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

retiredguy123 05-16-2020 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1766097)
No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

I think the great divide is facilitated by the fact that the people who are making the rules have no skin in the game. They are receiving full pay and benefits, while those who have to follow the rules are out of business and facing financial ruin.

DDVeteran 05-16-2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1766097)
No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

I'll be happy to die in my garage underneath my classic where the rest of the world isn't, "Together"

graciegirl 05-16-2020 06:39 PM

Many people have not been out to even SEE what is going on at the squares. I am sure they are not the ones complaining or reporting y'all.

Most polls show that almost 70% of all Americans are hesitant and reluctant to go out and be with other people because they do not feel safe.

I think people are realistically apprehensive. Most people here are in the highest risk age category. People can choose what they want to do. It worries me that there will be an escalation of the virus, and that my husband who is the one that goes out on errands and to buy groceries might somehow get exposed and get very sick or even die. The risk factor for an 80 year old if they catch Covid-19 is greater than one in ten of dying. I don't like those odds at all.

I have some little kids, old men and drunks who just love me. They would miss me if I died.

davem4616 05-16-2020 06:47 PM

this will all work itself out over time...but it is going to take time

so for now be safe

how lucky were you that you had the opportunity to move your chairs closer one evening and listen to the music
....be happy...this will change

GoldenBoy 05-16-2020 07:10 PM

One cannot social distance by ones self. Consequently, one is not allowed to make a decision not to social distance based on their percieved "adulthood". You don't get the right to determine to not social distance from other people. This is not a situation of personal rights. It is all about Social Responsibility.

Joe C. 05-16-2020 07:28 PM

This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

JoMar 05-16-2020 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1766147)
This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

And as long as your percieved INDIVIDUAL rights don't infrInge on mine then I'm ok

Marathon Man 05-16-2020 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 1766147)
This nation was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
'Nuff said".

No. There is lots more to say. All rights have their limits.

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy (Post 1766141)
One cannot social distance by ones self. Consequently, one is not allowed to make a decision not to social distance based on their percieved "adulthood". You don't get the right to determine to not social distance from other people. This is not a situation of personal rights. It is all about Social Responsibility.

You have obviously drank the Kool-Aid. It’s always about individual rights. Social responsibility it’s just another way of saying government control. Get a clue!

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 1766164)
No. There is lots more to say. All rights have their limits.

According to who, you? You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. Constitution is not about limiting our rights, it’s about limiting what the government can do.

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1766151)
And as long as your percieved INDIVIDUAL rights don't infrInge on mine then I'm ok

Ridiculous? Do you have the right to control what you do, not what other people do. That’s it!

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1766095)
Usually the adults are willing to follow recommendations when made by people smarter then they are. Kids on the other hand will do what they can to disregard what they are told and will make decisions about where they wanna be.....just visit Disney and watch the interplay between kids and parents. I think you are confused.

People that are smarter? They have been wrong about every single thing they said. They have picked the winners and losers while they never missed a paycheck. Naïve much?

shut the front door 05-16-2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolSells (Post 1766097)
No, we are not! The great divide seems to get wider every day.

Ostriches hear little snippets of news broadcast by The Little Red Hen and are certain that the end is near!

Logical and thinking people can figure out that nothing that “they” have told us to date is reliable.

Do you really want to die in your house while this scamdemic seeks a cure?

Well said. I hope to see you one day and buy you a drink! While the scamdemic victims are at home calling community watch reporting us for shaking hands!

Leadbone1 05-16-2020 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom53 (Post 1766090)
Yes, you are free to disregard the social distancing recommendation, but the commercial business's are allowed to stay open, PROVIDED the social distancing is being adhered to. Just like some beaches, it only takes a few to ruin it for all.

Oh yes the guilt angle. Those selfish people that just won’t fall into line. I was there. The tables were all at least 6 feet apart. And just to point out the utter stupidity of this social distancing thing. Why is it OK for three or four people to be sitting within a foot or two of each other at a table, but not OK if they’re sitting in chairs listening to music? This whole thing is pathetic and ridiculous.

shut the front door 05-16-2020 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1766128)
Many people have not been out to even SEE what is going on at the squares. I am sure they are not the ones complaining or reporting y'all.

Most polls show that almost 70% of all Americans are hesitant and reluctant to go out and be with other people because they do not feel safe.

I think people are realistically apprehensive. Most people here are in the highest risk age category. People can choose what they want to do. It worries me that there will be an escalation of the virus, and that my husband who is the one that goes out on errands and to buy groceries might somehow get exposed and get very sick or even die. The risk factor for an 80 year old if they catch Covid-19 is greater than one in ten of dying. I don't like those odds at all.

I have some little kids, old men and drunks who just love me. They would miss me if I died.

Very wrong on that count. There are numerous people making calls to community watch every day who are sitting at home watching the web cams at all 3 squares. They call in to report people who aren't social distancing and when asked if they are there, they freely admit, "no, I'm watching it on the web cam!" Pathetic as they are, they are out there. And what they don't realize is that when they call community watch, their name AND location on a map pop up for everyone in the room to see.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-16-2020 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 1766181)
Very wrong on that count. There are numerous people making calls to community watch every day who are sitting at home watching the web cams at all 3 squares. They call in to report people who aren't social distancing and when asked if they are there, they freely admit, "no, I'm watching it on the web cam!" Pathetic as they are, they are out there. And what they don't realize is that when they call community watch, their name AND location on a map pop up for everyone in the room to see.

Except this isn't happening every day, and this thread isn't about web cams at the Squares. It's about outdoor entertainment at Gator's. The web cam doesn't offer a view to Gator's, so it's not possible that anyone could have seen Gator's on the web cam and called in their complaint as a result.

Rather than come up with some insane contrived conspiracy, how about considering the obvious? Someone - or several someones - took issue with people being TOO close to each other and not honoring the social distancing or mask restrictions, and complained to someone about it, and as a result, Gator's discontinued public entertainment for the time being. Which was what they were supposed to be doing in the first place.

It was no secret that they were entertaining against the rules, I mean it's outside for anyone to see when they drive or walk past the place.

No one should be surprised that this happened. This is what happens when you can't play nicely. You get your toys taken away.

joseppe 05-16-2020 09:58 PM

As long as you don't sit next to me
 
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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766047)
Even if that were the true, we’re adults and we can make decisions about where we wanna be and how close we want to sit to other people. Social distancing is a recommendation, it is not a law. It’s not up to someone else to decide for us what we should be doing? I don’t understand why more people don’t get that?

I get that, but don't sit next to me. Would you want to sit that close to someone who was infected with the virus? Maybe they'll start up separate sections at all establishments. The 'Don't Care If I get Infected' Section and the 'I'd Rather Be Safe' Section. Just like we used to have 'smoking' and 'non-smoking' sections.

anothersteve 05-16-2020 10:01 PM

I feel so dirty!......I shook a persons hand today!
Bless me Father for I have sinned....
Steve

JoMar 05-16-2020 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1766175)
People that are smarter? They have been wrong about every single thing they said. They have picked the winners and losers while they never missed a paycheck. Naïve much?

Did you ever start a business from zero, in fact did you ever own or run a business?

YouNeverKnow 05-16-2020 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by joseppe (Post 1766233)
I get that, but don't sit next to me. Would you want to sit that close to someone who was infected with the virus? Maybe they'll start up separate sections at all establishments. The 'Don't Care If I get Infected' Section and the 'I'd Rather Be Safe' Section. Just like we used to have 'smoking' and 'non-smoking' sections.

The Covid and Non-Covid section.

big guy 05-16-2020 10:10 PM

I may be wrong but The Villages is not an incorporated city. We are owned by the developers as are the businesses. We knew that when we bought, we chose to buy anyway. Australia's population is almost the same as Florida. In May Australia has lost 9 people. Florida has lost 608. Australia's total death count is 98, Florida's is 1876. Something is wrong here and it's not social distancing.


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