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Leadbone1 06-08-2020 08:27 PM

Another COVID-19 myth exposed!
 
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

Ginpappas 06-08-2020 08:33 PM

Complicated
 
It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.

Stu from NYC 06-08-2020 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginpappas (Post 1780219)
It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.

very true

Wallyworld 06-08-2020 09:02 PM

When will you figure out this is all political!!

EdFNJ 06-08-2020 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780216)
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?


LOL, so now the W.H.O. is right? When they say things you like they're great and when they say things you dispute they are a Chinese loving scam. People seem to forget this only started less than 3 months (and 112,000 deaths) ago way back when some guy said "we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering". In 3 whole months new things get discovered and learned and disproven the reproven (are those words?). If it is proven that is true that does not make it a "myth" it just makes it as something new that has been discovered. There will be a lot more changes as it's only been 3 months.

Topspinmo 06-08-2020 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1780243)
LOL, so now the W.H.O. is right? When they say things you like they're great and when they say things you dispute they are a Chinese loving scam. People seem to forget this only started less than 3 months (and 112,000 deaths) ago way back when some guy said "we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering". In 3 whole months new things get discovered and learned and disproven the reproven (are those words?). If it is proven that is true that does not make it a "myth" it just makes it as something new that has been discovered. There will be a lot more changes as it's only been 3 months.


Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

roscoguy 06-09-2020 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780216)
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!

And how do you distinguish the "asymptomatic" from the "presymptomatic"?

sdeikenberry 06-09-2020 05:03 AM

The statement the author makes is misleading. It's talking about people who are asymptomatic. There are people who are infected that show no, or very mild, symptoms and they, and we, should still be protected from them. These people are in a different class than the one the author notes. Read this whole article. Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus 'appears to be rare,' WHO official says - CNN

rlcooper70 06-09-2020 05:05 AM

It took only three months to destroy the world's economy? And yet the stock market is at an all time high with around 15% unemployment and half of small business in bankruptcy. Why? And the president literally tried to call out the military ... to quell protests ... and few noticed .... does martial law and the end of Democracy require that we notice? And the stock market is at an all time high? Very confusing.

Benitacathcarb 06-09-2020 05:25 AM

They changed their statement.
 
CRUCIAL QUOTE
"Comprehensive studies on transmission from asymptomatic individuals are difficult to conduct, but the available evidence from contact tracing reported by Member States suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms," Van Kerkhove later tweeted.


WHO Says Asymptomatic Spread Of Coronavirus 'Very Rare,' But Experts Raise Questions

Why are people so against being cautious?

Leadbone1 06-09-2020 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rlcooper70 (Post 1780282)
It took only three months to destroy the world's economy? And yet the stock market is at an all time high with around 15% unemployment and half of small business in bankruptcy. Why? And the president literally tried to call out the military ... to quell protests ... and few noticed .... does martial law and the end of Democracy require that we notice? And the stock market is at an all time high? Very confusing.

It’s not confusing at all. It’s all politically motivated. None of what’s happened in the last three months should’ve happened. The more we find out the more we realize this is true. Stop being confused

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-09-2020 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ginpappas (Post 1780219)
It's amazing how many people don't understand that science is complicated and when we have a new virus there is a steep learning curve as we try to navigate how contagious it may be or how and when it's most dangerous or what the mortality may be. Scientist and medical people are doing their best to keep us alive so instead of listening to someone on TOTV or my uncles third cousin on facebook, I think I'll keep relying on and trusting them while we try to sort it out.

I agree. I think that we're getting the best information that experts have at the time. As they study this thing, they learn more about it and sometimes they found that what they originally thought was wrong.

But how do we know if this latest information is right or wrong? That may change as well and it may be revealed that what they originally thought was correct.

Some people believe that this is all some kind of conspiracy to control the people. I'm not much on conspiracy theories to begin with but with 50 governors all on board and the leaders of 180 countries around the world agreeing, it would have to be the biggest conspiracy of all time.

One rule about conspiring is that the fewer people the better. if this was all a big plot, someone would have spoken out.

Leadbone1 06-09-2020 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1780286)
"someone on TOTV" just quoted the WHO. So, it's not your uncles third cousin. What a stupid comment. Meanwhile, with this new understanding, can the 99% of us (asymptomatic) take off our masks and enjoy life again. I hate these damn things.

The mask is virtually useless anyway. Read what epidemiologist have to say about it because of the size of the Virus. I have never worn one and honestly I just shake my head when I see people wearing them, especially when they’re alone in their golf carts or in their car. There is just a degree of paranoia like I have never seen before?

Juniper 06-09-2020 05:28 AM

It’s called grinding gears between crises.

Professor 06-09-2020 05:30 AM

Sure, just stay away from the rest of the world who actually care about others who may be susceptible to the virus. Of course, you will have to figure out who those people are since they don't wear a sign that tells you their condition...Seems simpler to just wear a mask.

NotFromAroundHere 06-09-2020 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1780286)
"someone on TOTV" just quoted the WHO. So, it's not your uncles third cousin. What a stupid comment. Meanwhile, with this new understanding, can the 99% of us (asymptomatic) take off our masks and enjoy life again. I hate these damn things.

Asymptomatic means a person had the disease, but showed no symptoms throughout it's progression. That is definitely not 99% of us.

What WHO said is not what most of us take from the headline. Read the article.

stadry 06-09-2020 05:36 AM

i don't know if masks are worth the effort or not but they can't hurt, can they ? this thread does point out how little we still know other than it should rightly be named 'kung flu.'

Slapnut 06-09-2020 05:37 AM

Most medical personnel say that masks are bad for you to wear for prolonged periods of time
They say you are breathing in your own bacteria and you are also breathing in your own nitrogen which is harmful to the brain when you are breathing it constantly. It was also reported early last week that you should only wear a mask if treating someone with the virus. Who knows if this information will change next week like everything else but I choose to breathe in oxygen versus my own bacteria or nitrogen.

Singerlady 06-09-2020 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Leadbone1 (Post 1780216)
The W.H.O just said it's 'rare' for asymptomatic people to spread the coronavirus!
So after all the endless guilting that has been done to people that refused to wear masks, because they we’re not sick, and knew that masks were ineffective anyway, we now find out that asymptomatic people rarely spread the disease!
Another major change from what we were initially told!
When are people going to accept that we have been fed incorrect data and supposed facts from the get go?

This is a virus that the experts know very little about. They are learning as they go...just like us! No endless guilting. Not incorrect data or information. Tests are being conducted as I write. Deal with it.

Singerlady 06-09-2020 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallyworld (Post 1780242)
When will you figure out this is all political!!

Everything is not political.

coalminer 06-09-2020 05:47 AM

Tell that to the 110000 covid 19 victoms

crash 06-09-2020 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallyworld (Post 1780242)
When will you figure out this is all political!!

Yes all those people who died was just because of U.S. politics. This was a world pandemic but you still want to blame it on politics.

iht2209 06-09-2020 05:56 AM

Really...... over 100,000 dead..... and with hundreds of thousands more dead across the world and you think it’s political...... wow I guess it’s really true .... you can’t fix it

crash 06-09-2020 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1780255)
Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

And if we had done nothing and had 2 million die what would that of done to the economy?

This has happened before and people were objecting to masks and protesting just like now but some people can’t see that. Remember the Spanish flu, 2 million dead.

Klatu 06-09-2020 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Benitacathcarb (Post 1780288)
CRUCIAL QUOTE
"Comprehensive studies on transmission from asymptomatic individuals are difficult to conduct, but the available evidence from contact tracing reported by Member States suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms," Van Kerkhove later tweeted.


WHO Says Asymptomatic Spread Of Coronavirus 'Very Rare,' But Experts Raise Questions

Why are people so against being cautious?

Caution is one thing: as you would do when there is a flu outbreak. But the Wuhan virus reaction has been tied up in politics, with one side trying to damage both the economy and the political prospects of the president, and the other side trying to take a measured approach to make sure "the cure is not worse than the disease."

We have people now, and you can see them on every social media site, who react with hysterical outbursts when they see people without masks or not staying six feet away from each other. Remember the hundreds of young people at the lake of the Ozarks party? The hysterics went into overdrive with that crowd, screaming that hundreds would contract the virus. Result: a couple of people came down with it. Same thing with Michigan voting and dire predictions of outbreaks from voting Same thing with bogus attacks on hydroxychloroquine, to spread fear and anxiety.

And the fear mongers who deliberately exaggerated the danger for purposes of power or politics or financial gain should be held accountable for the hundreds of thousands people who did not get cancer screenings, treatment for coronary disease or a host of other truly life threatening conditions because they were frightened and bullied into staying home.

TomPerry 06-09-2020 06:03 AM

I’m in Massachusetts now and masks are required in public. People ride alone in their car with a mask!!!! That’s like lying in bed alone with a condom on!!!

GoodLife 06-09-2020 06:04 AM

Here is a study published a few days ago that says the opposite, asymptomatic spread is responsible for 40-45% of cases.

One of the more insidious features of the new coronavirus behind COVID-19 is its ability to settle into unsuspecting hosts who never show signs of being sick but are able to spread the virus to others.

In a study published June 3 in the Annals of Internal Medicine, researchers at the Scripps Research Translational Institute reviewed data from 16 different groups of COVID-19 patients from around the world to get a better idea of how many cases of coronavirus can likely be traced to people who spread the virus without ever knowing they were infected. Their conclusion: at minimum, 30%, and more likely 40% to 45%.

Nearly Half of COVID-19 Cases May Be Spread Asymptomatically | Time

deebrock 06-09-2020 06:05 AM

I agree. Thank you. Never hurts to be to cautious.

kenpoboy 06-09-2020 06:08 AM

You probably believe what the government tells you too....right?

Challenger 06-09-2020 06:12 AM

"A pound of prevention is worth more than a ton of cure" I remember my Dad talking of the Spanish Flu with coffins stacked up on street corners in Baltimore. Ive spent a bit of time in Viet Nam over the past few years. Everyone wears masks almost all the time. 95 million people . Very few cases and only a handful of deaths.

lululemon 06-09-2020 06:19 AM

Thank you for your response.

CarrieOn 06-09-2020 06:21 AM

Amen Gina!!! All it takes is for corona to touch you closely and I believe all would be on a different band wagon!! My friends traveling partners died in different hospitals a day apart, neither knew each other passed..At 51 & healthy!! I’m wearing a mask..and you also can’t pick where u think you are going to contract it either..wear a mask at Publix but not at stein mart..go figure..

Magajane 06-09-2020 06:25 AM

I do agree with you. We still need to be very careful. It’s a learning virus and I for one plan to still do everything I can to stay healthy.

davem4616 06-09-2020 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Magajane (Post 1780356)
I do agree with you. We still need to be very careful. It’s a learning virus and I for one plan to still do everything I can to stay healthy.


ditto

Given that we don't even know what we don't know about this...and we can't really trust that the information we are getting is totally unbiased....I've taken control and am running my life the way I believe will be a safe path

There's still a lot that I want to do yet

SacDQ 06-09-2020 06:54 AM

The comment falls in line with what experts at WHO have been stressing for months: Most coronavirus spread happens through sustained close contact between people indoors — in homes, offices, churches, hospitals, and other settings where people come together for hours at a time and airflow is restricted.

So getting out is now better than staying in.
🤪🤪

Aloha1 06-09-2020 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere (Post 1780303)
Asymptomatic means a person had the disease, but showed no symptoms throughout it's progression. That is definitely not 99% of us.

What WHO said is not what most of us take from the headline. Read the article.

That is not what it means. Asymptomatic means the person IS infected but does not show or feel any symptoms. Those are the people WHO is talking about as being rare cases of transmission. Symptomatic people are also infected and those with even mild symptoms should wear a mask because they CAN spread the virus.

We have no clue as to how many people out there had the virus but were asymptomatic and now would test negative because the odds are they never got tested in the first place. Those people are no threat.

Lakeland4d 06-09-2020 07:00 AM

I was with a friend yesterday who told me about her family’s loss. A younger daughter was caring for her father during COVID19 by bringing him groceries and other necessities so he didnt have to go out. He became ill and they both tested positive. He recently passed away. She was asymptomatic and passed it to him. So there is truth to the fact that someone can carry the virus without being sick.

Waltdisney4life 06-09-2020 07:07 AM

No one can cheat death, when it’s your time it’s gonna happen!

hrenner 06-09-2020 07:08 AM

political
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallyworld (Post 1780242)
When will you figure out this is all political!!

So,
110,000 americans dying so far is political?
Sad

Astron 06-09-2020 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1780255)
Yep, only took 3 months to destroy free world economy.

The stock market seems to disagree with the idea that the economy has been destroyed.


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