Censorship
 

I'm beginning to wonder if and when the pendulum on censorship will swing back to the middle...

Movies like "Gone With The Wind" are now being pulled from the likes of HBO and other streaming services because companies are fearful of backlash....Military bases and streets named after Southern Civil War generals are now subject to being changed...

for decades Disney has hidden it's movie "Song of the South"

statues of Southern Civil War leaders are being torn down...

when will protesters demand that the beautiful statue of General Lee that sits across the field of battle from General Grant's statue in Gettysburg be forced to be taken down??

When will the cry to erase Thomas Jefferson's name from our history come because he owned slaves?

What's next??

Perhaps part of the problem is they do a terrible job of teaching our history in school.

It is terrible they are removing statues of people who have helped make us the country we are.

Very strangely a statue of Columbus was tossed in a lake.

RStrange that general Grant has a statue at Gettysburg seeing as he was concluding the siege of Vicksburg Mississippi at that time. General George Meade was the commander of Union forces at the battle of Gettysburg.

Seems like they did something like this in the 1930's and 1940' in Germany, except they burned books. The USSR edited or destroyed a lot of media material that they didn't like.

Tom, I stand corrected...it was a statue of Meade that represented the Union forces

These statues belong in a museum in an exhibition about the slave trade and the Civil War. Maybe in an entire wing dedicated to what happens when you don't embrace differences.

Columbus is irrelevant. As has been pointed out for decades now, he didn't actually discover NORTH America at all. He never set foot on this continent and he has nothing to do with North American history.

He didsnt discover NA but guess the protesters just for the thrill of it decide to toss his statue in the river. Wonder if they even know who he was.

Why do you wonder that? Do you think every picture and statue depicting Christopher Columbus isn't recognizable by anyone who has ever attended grade-school history classes? Or are you suggesting that people protesting against racism never attended grade-school history classes?

Lol... the Communist do this type of thing so much better. They just rewrite history to say the way they think it SHOULD have happened. Then teach it at school as if it did.

By sanitising half of the history of any country to suit political ccorrectness and social trends, how do future generations learn from past mistakes?
Teach it, warts and all, and let the kids see where our leaders went wrong in the past.
Having said that, looking at the present state of the world, most of todays world leaders, all flunked their history exams!

Hopefully they take it down today !!!! Sad

The bias won't stop until our education system educates. That includes primary, secondary and university systems. The reason that at home education is taking off.

will book burning be next?

There are very few leaders and influential people in our history that have done nothing that may be regarded as reprehensible in today’s “enlightened” culture. We need to accept that people we respect have their faults regardless of their significant accomplishments.

To demonize historically significant people by contrasting their lifestyle without historical perspective is myopic. This tendency robs our society of the opportunity to appreciate the sacrifice of leaders while still appreciating the fact that they are still human.

Our school system is doing a terrible job teaching our kids the history of our country or for that matter world history. And please notice the word all.

Why do you think that so many comments are racist?

In UK they are taking down Baden Powells (Scouts Founder) monument today.
Evidently he is no longer acceptable to certain factions.

Agreed. Our founding fathers were products of their times and many did own slaves.

Many people in many parts of the world were part of the slave trade including Africans who captured and sold people as slaves.

Unless you learn where the world was and how we reached this point how do you understand history?

What could be more biased than home schooling?

Kids are exposed to only one viewpoint—their parents. They interact only with families like their own and they are ill prepared to deal with this great melting pot known as America when they go out into the world. It sows the seeds of racism and hatred. It promotes an us versus them mentality. It’s one of the big things that is destroying our great country. It’s one of the reasons why there is so much division in our country now.

As a southerner born and raised I always wondered why we named military bases after losing generals. And why we put up statutes to losers. Made no sense to me. I was a history major in college and a history buff and I don't see statutes of Hitler in Germany or Mussolini in Italy. They are embarrassed and did something about it. I guess you are also upset that NASCAR has banned the confederate flag and all confederate stuff from their race tracks?

There are no known actual portraits of Columbus.

Statues of rebel soldiers are inappropriate in our parks and what not. They were traitors and should be vilified and not glorified. If you want them to serve as history lessons, put them in museums that teach about the horrors of slavery and what happens when people stress our differences more than what we have in common.

Definitely a possibility to consider.....

Here's an example of a highly educated "protester":

I grew up in Richmond Va and at one time I live near Monument Avenue. I had some black friends growing up and did see things from their point of view. It was odd to see a statue of Arthur Ashe being installed not far from the Confederate statues. To me it was just history, to my friends it was a painful reminder of a time when their race was treated like property.
I would tell them that words had no power until you give it power over you and to ignore racism etc. It's easy for me to say. I could give examples one after another to share what I saw happen to my black friends throughout the years but I don't think it would help you understand what it's like living in your country that doesn't understand what it's like being black. I do see the crime, social services abuse and the other statistics whites point to. I can tell that a black child isn't born that way.

At some point our country has to take some crazy measures to try and fix what's going on. I don't have the answers but if getting rid of symbols that upset the black race and addressing racism openly helps get some healing then I'm all for it.

I'm not a historian or statistician so my opinions are not coming from an expert.

The same can be said for our universities

Lovely, just lovely.

I guess that makes soldiers in our war of independence from Great Britain part of the same category. What do we do when a generation decides WWI and WWII soldiers were wrong and starts tearing down their memorials? Those who deny history are doomed to repeat it. We learn from mistakes that have been made. Civil wars have been fought since time began. The soldiers who fought in them were honorable and fought for their side. Just because they lost, they should not be vilified or hated. Perhaps in the future, we veterans in the Villages may find ourselves on the wrong side of this argument over Korean, Viet Nam and Middle Eastern wars. Once we are gone, there will be no one to refute the mob mentality that exists today. Reminds me of the Farenheit 451 movie where all books were burned so history and knowledge would disappear.

The schools are ran by unions. The agenda was to indoctrinate the young, not teach actual history and let us learn from it, but teach them what to think, instead of common sense. No wonder these individuals don’t have common sense and know how to weigh things out and decided for themselves.
I’m grateful that some parents are finally seeing through it and teaching at home the entire history instead of a slant towards to hate our history. Re-writing was the next step. It’s winning cause people don’t want to take initiative and look beyond their lessons. No curiosity for the truth. Just spoon fed by xxxx. That’s what they prefer.
Why else do you think that journalisms went beyond just reporting facts at the big name media? It’s all hype and slants- spoon feeding.

Yes they did that and much more
 

A Communist-Fascist trait is to erase all history, Yes Hitler burned books, Stalin toppled statues and controlled all schools teaching, any teachers that deviate from their mandate in Russia were sent to a Gulag in Germany they were taken by the Gestapo and beaten badly. In Cuba the G2 would jail and beat you badly to ensure that you would comply, all books were rewritten and all their leaders were exalted as heroes. Please don’t say “it won’t happen here” that is what the Cuban people said 70 years ago. I know, I was in Cuba then!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless America

[QUOTE=Windguy;1781753]What could be more biased than home schooling?

' Kids are exposed to only one viewpoint—their parents' - Is this an ' it takes a village ' post ? ? ? or an invitation to discuss home schooling bias vs public schooling bias ? ? ?
imo, it would be a terrific improvement if schools taught history as it happened, if schools taught students to think, & if schools taught objectively.

perhaps this challenge could be reworded as home schoolers are generally better able to confront life's challenges than public school graduates

as you, i'm curious why there is so much division in our country,,, is it political, racial, emotional, professional ? or is it increasing due to the generations of 'public giving' for any social need,,, destitute voters can now vote themselves $$$ if raising their voices to the right decibel in the right direction

Sanitized history.
 

I agree with you . Sanitized history isn't history, it is fiction.
Pick any in time in history and any culture and you will find thoughts, deeds and conditions that would be considered unacceptable in today's world. Even in today's world we can find much that needs fixing, and not just here.

This thread is shocking in its ignorance
 

I'm not. just referring to this post but all those that criticize the removal of the glorification of men who were traitors and fought against the United States of America.

This comment is exactly what causes issues. Jumping to conclusions without knowing what the poster meant. How about it meaning that some people are just jumping into the crowd and have no clue whats going on. Its called the mob mentality

how sad to hear this

I don't watch NASCAR...never have, never will...that's not even as much fun as watching grass grow...

I agree with you about some of this. I believe in showing things as they were or as people thought they were, even if wrong. (From what I hear, much of what Margaret Mitchell wrote about race relations was highly romanticized.) I loved “Song of the South” and the singing crows in “Dumbo.”

However, as a vet, you might like to consider this thought about the statues and military bases. Most of the Confederate generals went to West Point, and when they entered the U.S. Army, they swore solemn oaths to uphold and protect the United States of America. Then they broke their oaths, turned traitor, and took up arms against the country they had promised to protect and tried to destroy it. Why should we have these generals celebrated on our town squares? Why should traitors like Bragg and Pickett and Beauregard have their names on military bases? (And is it significant that there is no Camp Longstreet, given that he repented, became friends with Grant, and led African-American troops?)

Robert E. Lee is a distant relative of mine (through his wife), and I was born in Virginia, and some of my ancestors fought and even died for the South (though one was a captain under Sherman when they rode through Georgia). Even so, I think this is worth considering, on the basis of whether oaths matter.

What sort term memory you'll must have, have you forgotten the constant stream of news clips depicting ISIS, destroying artifacts, temples etc.--because they deemed them unfit for the way they wanted things to be.

Agree....because those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat.

Exactly! :thumbup:

Tones of IsIs

It's About Control
 

Think about it, we're being told what "to think." The controllers are trying to change history by removing the statues and mouments recording it. As it is most millennial know little about anything prior to the Vietnam war, to them even that it ancient history. Live PD and Cops have been removed from our TV screens. Why, is someone afraid we will see life as it really is? This whole effort is how Stalin, Hitler, Castro and every other dictator came to power. It's like the Taliban blasting religious icons from the mountains in Afghanistan. That was bad THERE but it's okay to do it here. You can't change history by trying to erase it, it's still history.