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Kids can go back to school Some theme parks are opening. Restaurants can open to %100 capacity...People are asking to have the entertainment back at the squares..FLORIDA JUST RECORDED THE MOST CASES OF COVID 19 CASES IN ONE DAY TODAY... any body besides me see a problem?

Sounds like you quit playing. The message of "just flattening the curve" has seemingly disappeared.

I think when we have a real medical emergency on our hands you will find people believing it is the little boy that cried wolf again.

The sooner we get back to 100% open the sooner we will know what we are really dealing with.

The increased testing (?) supposedly contributes to higher incidences.

The problem we see is us elders (early 80's) will have to REMAIN conservatively vigilante until there is a vaccine.

There will not be another lock down.

We will learn to live with what ever numbers result just like we do with the flu, auto deaths, et al.

Be interesting to see how this plays out

Very much so, and with no good treatment and no vaccination available anytime in the foreseeable future, it's going to take some time to play out.

Amazon, Walmart and Instacart anticipating with glee....

Yes. I agree. Nobody cares anymore. We’re doomed!

More testing = More cases. Sounds like you miss Taxachusetts!

Let’s just close everything forever. That should make you happy. People get sick and die every day. Staying in your house isn’t going to help.

Yes I am terrified. Faith not fear signs are ignorant if one truly knows the word of God. It is foolish to think we can resume life as normal when we are living in a pandemic as the most at risk population. I see people loaded in the restaurants and gathering together and it makes me sad. We buy takeout to support locals but stay away from crowds and wear a mask live with sanitizer and dry hands that’s me.

81 cases in TV, since the start of Coronavirus. That is people who have tested positive. Not in the hospital. Not dead. Out of approximately 150,000 people. That's .012 percent.

It took awhile but we got used to wearing seat belts, right? So, same will go for the masks, will wear them for as long as it takes to be safe. It is surprising to watch people as they exit their cars and not have a mask on, but as soon as they hit the door of a business, on goes the mask. It will be for a time until a vaccine is produced that will protect us, and it will be like getting a flu shot every year, I hope..........

The smart will survive and the sheep will be lead to their demise.

No vaccine vaccine is not safe

People going out and about in every state signifies the general acceptance of the virus risk.

People need and want to resume their lives.
The stay-home, shutdown didn’t eradicate the virus, at the most it only slowed it down.
In the meantime the virus will spread until it runs its course, or herd immunity evolves, or a vaccine is developed.

Just do what we are told. All will be over soon.

People from up north are still here. Why? Because they can actually get out and do stuff. That's a big gain for the economy here and a big loss for the ones up north.

Well said. Your mask protects me, and for that I thank you.

There is absolutely no reason not to reopen schools. I am at my northern home for the summer and I'm out and about every day. Kids are grouping like crazy. They are playing football, basketball, tennis, and other sports. They have crowded the beaches. There is zero social distancing by kids, so there is no reason to not reopen schools in the fall. Older teachers or kids with immunity problems may have to be protected, but not most kids.

If some doctors are correct, that COVID-19 is not being passed by asymptomatic people, and since kids rarely have a serious reaction to the disease, there seems little risk to not keeping them apart. Yes, occasionally a kid will have a serious reaction and could even die, but that happens with the flu too and we never close schools for the flu.

Ditto here. :thumbup:

To each their own. I don't criticize people who want to wear masks and keep isolated.
I do not wear masks because for me 1. It's difficult for me to breath.
2. I believe masks do not do any good, especially when I see people wearing them below their noses or on their chins.

That was ONE doctor who misspoke and misrepresented information from the WHO. It IS being passed by asymptomatic people, however it is very rare that they can FIND asymptomatic people who are passing it because...they are asymptomatic. The only way an asymptomatic carrier of the virus can be discovered to BE a carrier, is if they get tested.

And since they are asymptomatic, it would be a very rare occurrence for them to decide to get tested. Since, they have no symptoms, and therefore don't realize that they have any need to be concerned. So they don't get tested.

That is what the actual facts were conveying when they referred to "rare" with regards to finding asymptomatic carriers. It's rare to find them, because it's rare that they'd think to get tested.

I wear my mask when I do NOT want to keep isolated. I don't need to wear it in the safety and privacy of my own home, or in my car, or when I'm out walking and no one else is around. But if I go into a building that has close quarters (like the boutiques in the town squares) then yeah that mask comes on.

Check out what is happening in Brazil where they are going with that train of thought.

And don’t forget that some vaccines aren’t 100% effective. The old shingles vaccine was only 40% effective, and the flu vaccine in many years is about the same. Would a Covid-19 vaccine restore your confidence in returning to society if it were only 40% effective?

My calculator comes up with .054%
(81÷150,000) = .00054
.00054 x 100 =.054% or approximately 1/20th of 1%

Still a minute number.

I see this as a problem about which we should all be concerned. I do put lives first, not everyone would agree with me, but that’s all right.

First off I am not a healthcare professional and this is just my layman’s opinion, we have a highly contagious virus and with any virus there seems to be 2 options for ending it – complete quarantine or let nature run its course as we have been doing going back to 1918 – its now been proven that Neil Ferguson’s models have been completely wrong. We sheltered in place to flatten the curve and as far as I know no hospital in the US has been overwhelmed with cases. As to an increase in cases – well yeah because we’re doing more testing so therefore more cases, and nowhere have I found that the hospital admission rate has increased??? And with more testing the mortality rate is decreasing as a percentage of cases – yes 100,00 deaths is a sad thing and high risk people should/have to be more careful but if we don’t let it run its course then by next fall we’ll probably really get smacked.

How many have been actually tested though. The number is likely quite higher, which means the number that get critically ill from this virus, even at our age, must be pretty low because those would have been reported. I think the real risk is if you have a history of asthma, COPD, diabetes, etc. I was in the super conservative camp through most of this, but now I am wondering if we went too far. I will still be cautious because I have a history of asthma, but not sure the world should stop to protect me. At this point, maybe we should each just protect ourselves as we think necessary and let others do the same.

Have you seen any amount of testing sites here in TV? No, they do not test here for a reason. If the numbers were real numbers then the sales of homes would drop, money would stop flowing into TV. Why won't they test everyone. There is no shortage of test kits and this population deserves to know how we stand. I lost a dear friend to this virus and he died alone with only eyes behind a mask to bid him farewell. No family or friends by his side. Now, say to yourself if this were my brother, sister, mother or father how would I like to see them die?...... Alone? This is not just the flu or a car crash. We have surpassed the number of flu deaths weeks ago. U.S. has won the most death contest in the world. We need to step back and stop opening up things so fast.

One needs to read the history on other pandemics to understand how this is going to play out. Yes, the reading is a little heavy and very scientific, but it tells the true story. We are not out of the wood and won't be for years. Some of us won't even be here to see the outcome, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Wear your mask at all times.

The key is not so much the number of tests coming back positive but in the PERCENTAGE of tests that are positive.
Obviously more testing is sure to result in more positive numbers but we need to look at the percentage numbers to
get the real picture of how the virus is spreading.

Thank you❤️

If you don't want to go places, don't go, but don't tell me where I can go. I am not going to give up doing what gives me pleasure. There may never be a vaccine in my lifetime.

Ask yourself why...the US has 3% of the world's population but 30% of the deaths due to covid

Those most at risk wouldn’t need to stay quite so isolated if everyone wore a mask. The mask is to protect others from you more than you from them. That’s been the main point from day one. No one knows if they are Presymptomatic and asymptomatic and both can spread the virus, the mask dramatically reduces that. They are finding now that wearing one provides more protection to the wearer than first thought, but the primary reason is still to protect others. Why would you not want to do that just because it is a little hard to breathe?

For starters, this guy is a big fat liar.

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Just because someone tests positive, doesn't mean that they are going to die from it.
A person can be positive, and not even know it.
So with this in mind...….

I'm not afraid
I'm not worried
I really don't give a damn,

and

I'm getting on with LIVING!!!

But to clarify, that doesn’t mean I believe we should not take reasonable steps to protect each other. Things can open up and start getting back to somewhat normal and still be taking precautions like social distancing and wearing masks.

People are becoming complacent. They are tired of this virus but this virus isn’t tired of us. No nation can endure a lockdown forever and it is inevitable that businesses and attractions would open. Because they have, the number of cases has risen. It was recently Memorial Day gatherings and now protests where people have been in close contact that likely is the reason the numbers are increasing. Let’s not forget the recent space launch where people ignored social distancing. Gov DeSantis said yesterday in his press conference that it has been young people who typically can fight off the virus that account for the increase. The problem with that is that they become seeds that scatter to older, at risk people. So, if this virus does what is anticipated, I suspect we will see an uptick in older populations within the next few weeks. As for an increase because of testing, that isn’t exactly accurate, and WHO’s irresponsible message that masks aren’t necessary has been contradicted by so many Infectious Disease experts.

We each get to choose our level of comfort. If you are at risk, stay home. If you choose to go out and about, be smart about it. So, I will do what is best for myself which is to only go out when necessary and to interact only with a small circle of friends who agree to wear masks if we gather. And, most importantly, I will wear a mask when it is necessary to go out. I respectfully request that others wear masks when going out and about as well. It is the responsible and kind thing to do. We can get through this difficult time. We are resilient and intelligent. We may have more cases in the US than any other country, but we also have a much larger population too so that is no surprise. Hang in there everyone, respect one another. We will get through this.

Slowing it down was the goal (flatten the curve, remember?). Now they are trying to move the goal posts. I believe it may be God's judgement on a sinful nation. But, if anyone doesn't believe in God and prefers the Darwinian explanation for our existence, let's open everything up and let "survival of the fittest" play out. That's what the schools teach our kids. Hiding from the virus is practically hypocritical. Open everything. Take off the masks. Shake hands when you meet someone. A polite hug / cheek kiss when you meet the relatives. Let's get back to normal.