Florida sets new single-day record.
 

But not in a good way. :(


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While we seem to be holding our own here in TV, after seeing/reading so many who are against wearing masks and are downplaying the danger, even given that so many of us are in the most vulnerable demographics...I just hope and my fingers are crossed, that we continue to be spared.

I do feel for those areas however (high density/poor health services availability/dependency on public transit/Etc.) ...that aren't as fortunate. :ohdear:

Did you read this morning's article from Europe that says genetics may have much to play in some people who have more serious cases, such as having type A blood? I know that some say that more people get it in poor areas and blame lack of good health care but it could be connected to genetics.

70% of the this record new high of cases come from just 7 counties, Dade, Palm Beach, Broward, Lee, Hillsborough, Orange, and Duval. The same places where the largest George Floyd protests have taken place.

Counties like Sumter with no large protests = 4 new cases in last week. No big spikes in places without protests.

Despite wishful thinking and until actual proof otherwise, which is impossible if you're not making much of an effort to do 'contact tracing' :oops: I'm going with this...instead of just an opinion.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation.

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Thanks for sharing this appreciate it.

Correlation can mean causation sometimes, sometimes not. You have to look at the data and all the variables involved. We know covid 19 is passed from person to person. We know that average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days. Florida reopened on May 4. New cases were flat for all of May. Protests started end of May. New cases start rising in first week of June, and by second week of June setting new records.

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Some new cases are coming from reopening, but the large spikes did not happen until after the large protests. Contact tracing is impossible in a marching crowd of 100,000. That's a red herring which you probably know.

Let me repeat, without any actual proof...Correlation Does Not Imply Causation. :ohdear:

And it doesn't take much effort, to ask those who are diagnosed if they, or anyone they have been in contact with... had attended any rallies/large gatherings?

BUT, we aren't even bothering...to do that. :oops:

The dates and times from exposure to symptoms provide proof. If reopening was causing a huge spike it would have happened sometime in May. Exposure to death is 3-4 weeks. New cases were flat all of May. No death spikes either in May. Hiding ones head in the sand does no good. Spikes do not happen for no reason. The virus passes from person to person, huge numbers of people marching shoulder to shoulder while chanting and screaming are a recipe for new case spikes.

By the way:

NYC's contact tracers have been told not to ask people if they've attended a protest

NYC contact tracers told not to ask if people have attended a protest - Business Insider

I can't imagine why they would do this, well actually I can since the officials and health departments blessed the protests repeatedly.

During a highly contagious pandemic I sure am against them. Otherwise don't care. I also find it incredulous that the very same officials and health departments that are still prohibiting mass groups of people, funerals, fans at outdoor sporting events gave their blessing to mass groups of people protesting.

Here is another correlation for you, why have counties like Sumter and most of the rest in Florida that did not have large protests not show any large spikes in new cases? They all reopened May 4 as well.

Also, 3 of the biggest spikes have occurred in Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach, all three of these are operating under tighter restrictions than the rest of Florida.

Of course it's genetics. Why are so many asymptomatic and some very sick.

I beg to differ. Infections grow exponentially. It isn’t much at first, but then gradually grows and then seems to explode. Snowballing...

However, I’m willing to change my mind if you can share logic that shows me I’m wrong.

i saw the article, although i can't remember where, it may have been the daily mail. somewhere in the report i saw was the millions who had the virus have now gotten better, & even using dexamethazone, of all things, a well known steroid. so as time goes on, we can learn more about the cure?

How long will it last here?

Some friends ventured out for dinner at an outside table at Cane Garden earlier this week. They made sure to wear masks while being escorted to their table outside. But while walking past the bar they reported it was two-deep all around, noisy, animated, not one person with a mask, just like the old normal.

Isn’t the “rule” in Villages facilities “mask and distancing”? It won’t be normal for either Cane Garden patrons or it’s restaurant-bar for very long. It was our favorite, but with this report we’re not tempted to venture back again very soon.

Taking Dade county as an example, new cases per day for a week or so before June 12 were averaging about 250 per day, not going up or down. Then June 12 huge spike of 570 new cases. That's an increase of well over 100% in one day. No gradual growth beforehand. Something caused this and I don 't think it is reopening. Also, Dade and other South Florida counties have been under tighter restrictions than the rest of Florida. Protests in Miami began on May 31 and continue, some of the largest were on
June 6 and 7. One week before the huge spike. Average time from exposure to symptoms is 5-6 days.

Take Sumter County for example, no protests, no spike. Only 4 new cases since June 10. If spikes are due to reopening why no spike in Sumter? Lake County was cruising along with 3-10 new cases per day and then gets 62 on June 12. They had protests in Clermont a week earlier.

I looked at a lot of Florida Counties and saw the same thing. Big protests = big spike Small protests = small spike. No protests = no spike.

I am sure some new cases come from reopening, but reopening does not explain these spikes we are seeing. Otherwise we should see similar 100% spikes in all Florida counties not just the ones that had protests.

The cause Of the rise could also be from all the protesting/riots, since that is were it appears the numbers have risen. You know when COVID-19 was hardly mentioned.

Protests
 

If Protests were the issue all states would be increasing.We here in central Florida are still getting people infected by not socially distancing and hygiene or failing to wear a mask to minimize exposure.

NY now has one of the lowest infection rates in the country.
Florida has one of the highest.
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo considers 14-day quarantine for Florida visitors | wgrz.com

Neat trick isn't it. Encourage giant protests during a highly contagious pandemic and then blame the spike on reopening. Meanwhile make sure there's no fans at golf tournaments, no funerals, severely limit church activities and keep a straight face while doing so.

I too believe we could see an explosion similar to New York but I hope I am wrong. I think smart, cautious reopening is possible but it does not seem to be happening. Too many people either think this is behind us or they accept the death rate..

From The Villages Weekly Bulletin

Vulnerable Populations:
Individuals older than 65 years of age and individuals with a serious underlying medical condition (such as chronic lung disease, moderate-to-severe asthma, serious heart conditions, immune-compromised status, cancer, diabetes, severe obesity, renal failure and liver disease) should continue to stay at home. When leaving the home, these individuals should follow social distancing and other general mitigation guidance. Those living with vulnerable individuals should be aware of the exposure risk that they could carry the virus back home

Yes New York is a real success story with almost 400,000 cases and 31,000 deaths.

Epidemiologists have also proved that New York City citizens fleeing the outbreak there seeded up to 80% of the cases in the USA. Good Job!!

You’re not implying that being poor is a genetic issue though, right?

What would be the point of doing this on purpose? If so, it is not a very neat trick at all. I fail to see who would be advantaged by this.

Most likely the immune system, and in better health.

It would violate site rules to explain it completely. We know that a large percentage of the media leans one way. We know there is an election in November. Persuading the country that most of us are racists and that police brutality is a huge problem might motivate certain demographics. Also, attempting to promote the idea that reopening is dangerous is one way of keeping the economy in a depressed state.

What about other countries that are experiencing spikes. And Dr Fauci warnings. Are they all involved in your conspiracy theory?

Oh yes let’s just blame the protesters, God is punishing them just like he did aids patients in the 80’s , let’s not take into consideration that they have started to test more or the fact that our governor shut down to late and opened to early , yes the protest will cause some more cases , but also the fact is people who live in denser areas are going to have more cases . Before you point fingers , just look around villages and see that people aren’t doing what they should , I’ve been to a few restaurants but the outside bars are a mess,and do yourself a favor at least put your mask on if you go into a restaurant or public bathroom, it’s a close space and people from everywhere are going to be tight on top of you

Wearing a mask is NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT!

So I think you are saying the large groups of people mingling for whatever reason increases the rate of the virus spreading?
Please explain why you think that reopening the economy is not dangerous when it seems you already professed to believe that allowing people to gather in large numbers has contributed to our largest counties having increased Covid positives? My opinion is your logic does not compute.

The US is #1, very Biggley little Piggley. And everybody knows, who to blame. Can you say, what is a DPA? Everybody knows, that Ca. is wearing masks. Everybody knows, it is the law. Everybody knows, that the mask works. That's how it goes, when everybody knows. Everybody knows, the war is over. Everybody knows the virus won! That's how it goes, everybody knows. If 60% of the people wore their masks 60% of the time the Virus would go away. That's how it goes, when Science knows.

What about churches? They are indoor. They just opened for business. Maybe your neighbor goes to church?? Who IS John Galt?

Good empathy-brings you in from the cold. Who IS John Galt?

Causation implies a SLOW START to becoming #!. Go Italy! Girl, at least YOU have Universal Health Care.

Those counties get a lot of TOURISTS. Also, they contain many ethnic groups that DO NOT have the luxury of another ethnic group that can work from home. Lots of variables. A little logic and empathy forces out the answer.

Good post, good opinion.

Smart man.Nice tan. That even rhymes.

Ok. I’ll have to think on that a bit, but I get what you’re saying.

Not just me, lots of epidemiologists are saying this. When you have people marching shoulder to shoulder, chanting and screaming, this is a recipe for contagion. In a packed protest march, you can have 9 people in a 6 foot by 6 foot square. Screaming and chanting loudly expels more virus from infected individuals.

The reopening rules in Florida are very specific, spacing of tables in restaurants, limited occupancy etc. Large groups, I think more than 10 are still prohibited. Maintain 6 foot social distancing etc etc. Somehow the large protests are exempt from all the rules.

I didn't just pull my theory out of thin air. I saw the headlines "Florida cases spiking" and wanted to find out where in Florida this was happening. I found that 70 percent of the new cases were coming from 7 counties. I saw that the big spikes started on June 12 and were in the same locations as the biggest protests. I also saw zero spikes in Counties like Sumter, which had no large protests. The Villages reopened May 4, why no spike in cases here or many other Florida counties?

Some new cases will happen, like the restaurant in Jacksonville that wasn't following guidelines. 16 people were infected, most likely from the 7 waiters and bartenders that were found to be positive and weren't wearing masks. Maybe the bartenders and waiters went to the protests in Jacksonville a week before.

It doesn't really matter if you think my logic doesn't compute. Perhaps you will take the time to research the data and come up with a better theory.