Why are they protesting?
 

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.

it stopped being about Mr. Floyd's death and BLM awhile ago...this is now about creating chaos and mindless destruction

but that's just my opinion...and we don't watch the news anymore

They are more than protesters. These people you are describing are vandals, hoodlums, looters and criminals. Protesters are OK , but they must obey the law. Once they have crossed over that boundary, they have given up their right to be called a protester. The ones that choose to cross that line ruin any positive work a legitimate protester may have accomplished.

There exist people who are NOT protesters at all - who show up at protests and use them as an "opportunity" to wreak havoc and cause trouble. Some of this segment of the population do this intentionally to make people think it's the protesters doing it. THOSE particular people are actually serving the "other side" of the protest. In other words - it'd be white nationalists committing violence, during BLM peaceful protests. Wearing masks, gloves, hoodies - you can't tell who these criminals are. And it's just SO easy to say "those BLM protesters are nothing but trouble."

When in fact, it isn't BLM protesters at all doing it. It's people who want to make the BLM look bad. And they're doing a bang-up job of it too, judging from some of the threads on this forum alone. Comments in social media are actually much worse because many of those posters don't even pretend to be civilized.

Or visa versa

Steve

You left out thugs;

thug - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

Steve

YEP. :ohdear:

So are you saying it's only the white nationals that are throwing bricks and frozen water bottles at police, and looting and burning down businesses? Or are you saying that a few white nationals start the attack and then a bunch of otherwise peaceful, good-intentioned people are lured into joining in the attack?

I guess then it couldn't be that some of the young people who attend the protest are really there to stir the pot, loot so they can get a bunch of free stuff, and burn down businesses?

The fact that the protesting is out of control and they destroy just to destroy means nothing to some people.

Please show proof that white nationalists are instigating violence in "peaceful BLM protests" Even the SPLC doesn't think that, and you can bet if they could they would.

Don't know what riots you have watched, some of the crowds are almost 100% black, and some of them are not peaceful. There are white Antifa crews working the riots, and many have been arrested. There are also lots of white kids rioting. They seem to specialize in bring down statues.

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.

Pure garbage (Literally). Look at the so called protesters. They do the same thing every time. Cause riots. Don't try to blame it on others. Always giving these folks a pass when they do so much harm . How about the protesters in Seattle? Look at the mess they made. Are these good folks going in to clean up the vandalism they caused? Are they going to pay for the damage they did? They created an Autonomous zone to which they added nothing.

If the Seattle Chaz/Chop experienced started as a protest, it stopped being a protest on the first day. And that is what is happening with all these protests. May be started by some idealist weenie , that can't comprehend that they won't be able to control the agenda and it then leads to mayhem. Sooner or later you have to start blaming the weenies for being so stupid for starting a fire that they can't control.

Now you have innocent elderly women being sucker punched by hoods, homeless people being burned by fireworks, rapes in tents, everyone trying to tear down a statue no matter what all as a result of "protests". Perhaps it is time for those who promote these protests, to step back a say, We have a valid reason for protesting as we have expressed, but as patriotic citizens we are stepping back as we have seen how these protests have been abused. Please show us that our efforts are being recognized and how they will be addressed. We wish to work within the law to resolve these issues.

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.

Since the actual words I posted were obviously invisible the last time I posted, I am quoting my own post, and bolding and underlining for emphasis.

SOME people..are something.
And THOSE particular people..are something.

Which also means that "SOME OTHER people might also be the same thing but in this particular post, I'm singling out this specific group, that I have chosen to call SOME."

If you really want to know why statues with no ties to racism are being destroyed.

The simple answer is to take away your heroes.

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I'm not saying they are apart of the blm but some people say they are. A video on YouTube put together by "Planet Humans" claims they are and the video is convincing to me. I have not researched the channel/group or the information they claim.

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I do support the ideals of blm but not the violence etc.

The Sunrise movement was created in response to the climate change issue. Has nothing to do with tearing down statues or rioting.

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Only in America the victims have no rights, soon as some one does a crime they have more rights than the person they robbed or killed. Only ones who come out ahead or the lawyers. Win or lose they win.

I agree with you. I actually believe that there are many, many peaceful protesters who are protesting because they truly believe Black people are targeted by police and treated unfairly. They are not violent.
But I do think there are people who will show up to any "protest" (BLM, Chick Fil A should be open on Sunday, mom jeans should be outlawed) because they are opportunistic. They want to loot and steal merchandise. They want to throw objects at authority. They want to burn down buildings.
I don't believe the majority are part of any organized group (Nazi, KKK etc), I just think they are kids that want to stir the pot.
It's unfortunate they create all this chaos because it does detract from what BLM is trying to achieve.

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People promoting riots keep calling them protests. They are the ones who are the blame for this madness.

It's morphing into a Marxist slow-motion revolution. BLM is the thought leader in this effort whereas Antifa is the street muscle.

"At some point the conservative side is going to reach a boiling point and respond kinetically. Shaun King, BLM leader, said it's now time to remove statues of the "White Jesus and his European Mother" from American churches. That will be the spark where even the timid will consider their 2nd amendment options.

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin Kaepernick

"Mob mentality" if others do it, I can to .

These people go back to the"weather underground" of the 1960's, all they care about is the total destruction of the system, so in can be rebuilt in their Marxist utopia minds

They have the gaul to try and rip down the statue of Grant who besides defeating the confederacy, also used our military to destroy the KKK in Ga.

Its a shame most people of color don't know the true history of the democratic party--the KKK was founded to disenfranchise blacks from voting in the south--Woodrow Wilson--endorsed the KKK

The same goes for American Jews, who don't know the true history of the democratic party--Roosevelt was surrounded by anti-semites, denied admission of the St'Louis to the U.S. and the publisher of the NY Times-Sulzberger denied mentioning the holocaust, even tough he was given proof of its existence--

Useful idiots are the first people to visit re-education camps after a real revolution

I support honest hard working Americans that are generally law abiding, have Christian faith and values, striving to improve their lives and communities every day. Those who have charity in their hearts and care about others. Those who do not live their lives focused on color or finding differences and grievances based on color.

This is what America is built on, and why we live in the greatest country in the world.

My vote is to push back hard on the thugs and anyone that is trying to destroy America. That includes the Nazi, KKK, Antifa, Socialists, Communists, Panthers, Weather Underground, Russia, N Korea, China, Iran, and G Sorros.

This is about satan helping his children to run rampant and commit lawlessness. This is what Paul talks about in 2 Timothy 3. This is what it was like just before Noah entered into the safety of the ark. We are at the end of the age and things will get worse until Jesus comes.

For any who don’t have a relationship with Jesus, now is the time to ask Him to save you! You don’t want to be around for what’s next. If you want to know how much worse it gets, start reading at Revelation 6.

Verytrue. These animals couldnt care less about BLM or anything else. They are thugs, thieves and most of them have always acted like this. This is nothing new for them, its just an excuse to rob and beat people.
Put simply. You and I are good law abiding citizens. We have jobs (or are retired) and made our own way in life. If you protested about some issue, would you ever break store windows, loot them, randomly pick people to beat, destroy national statues etc etc? NO. Because we are good people not savages. These people need to return to their caves or cages. Point made!

The last statement from the original poster is "I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement".

All the discussion in this thread is what group is responsible, BLM, white nations or whoever, who cares what group it is. I'm trying to figure out why and how they are getting away with this no matter what group it is. This is destruction of state government property and nobody is trying to stop them. And that really shouldn't matter either, last I knew destruction of any property that doesn't belong to you is a crime, arson is a crime, vandalism is a crime, assault is a crime etc etc. The police and national guard need to be called up to stop this now before it gets even more out of control and is unstoppable and it blows my mind why that doesn't happen but I think we know why it isn't happening. I don't like to make this political but it is political. I don't think it matters who the president is or whatever party, the destruction will happen. The response to the destruction is what is political and it's all about the election, who can make who look bad is what it's all about.

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any attempt to understand the current bru-ha-ha only legitimizes it as 'protest',,, while some may protest, i believe many are paid anarchists

follow the $ - donate to blm & see where the $ actually wind up

why don't looters ever steal work boots ?

You are so correct and the amount of so called violence(taking down racist statues), is run over and over on conservative stations and remains a very small portion of the protests and the riots are usually created by thug cops attacking the protestors. I was asked about how safe my son was in Seattle and I said what are you talking about? My son said the area made police free is a big love fest with people partying all day long. Yes, there was a shooting in the middle of the night when people were drunk and the EMS inside the zone had already taken the victims to the hospital before the police got there. He said it was a shooting that normally would never make the national news until fear mongers got a hold of it.

We moved here from Madison a month ago and I'm absolutely sick over the vandalism and destruction that's occured in my beautiful city. That the governor and mayor have done nothing to stem any of it is even worse, yet not surprising. I recently watched a video by a young black man who was one of the original founders of BLM, who has left the organization because in his words, "the movement has been compromised" by terrorists and is no longer what BLM started out or was intended to be. He cautioned that they're agenda is to "cause civil war." With the state of Wisconsin still quite shut down with the virus, the university is mostly empty and many of these "protesters" are brought in to wreak their havoc. A peaceful protest happened weeks ago at the Capitol when the Wisconsinites Against Quarantine staged a protest in response to the governor's Badger Bounce-Back Plan to reopen the state after shut down with the virus. Thousands of protesters were there, on foot and in cars surrounding the Capitol and roads leading up to it, many armed in open carry. There was NO violence, NO assaults, No vandalism or destruction. So to say protesters per se are the problem isn't necessarily true. Those perpetuating the destruction recently are there for that reason alone, of all colors and races. And yes, this stopped being about George Floyd long ago. I was in a bit of an argument yesterday with someone who insists it's everyone's first amendment right to freedom of speech (protest), but there is NO right to destroy, vandalize, assault people, etc. That's simply criminal and deserves the stiffest punishment of the law, providing the law is enforced. It may very well come to armed militia taking care of business if our elected leaders won't act to protect our homes and lives.

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REAL history includes the "Southern Strategy" and the mass migration of racists and bigots...who switched parties. :ohdear:

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Still protesting/destroying in Richmond, VA. Everyday.

This has started already. A friend of mine told me in NY where she is there is a beautiful grotto. That’s a place with statues and usually beautiful surroundings. Some have small waterfalls and very serene place. People usually go there to pray and some even say be healed. Well, last week “animals” (I call them animals because these people aren’t even human, savages more like it) went and bashed and smashed all the statues there. They also left a big note which stated “God never
did anything for black people” I don’t know about you, nor do I push religion on anyone, but this is over the top. I hate hearing any place of worship whether it be my religion or not is being targeted and desecrated. It’s very sad because instead of making people sympathetic to their cause, it’s starting to have the opposite effect. What’s going on has nothing to do with BLM. I am white but I can’t imagine any intelligent black person agreeing with what he is seeing right now. This is not the way to have change in our country. This can only make more divide and take away any real progress. I, for one, feel it’s time to step up and stop this nonsense once and for all.

Thank you because my eyes hurt from rolling them at the white nationalist theory. Major denial. This is all a result of coddling these adult children when they threw a temper tantrum. No one did anything so they just kept going further with it.

This is what happens when you allow the inmates to run the asylum.

Then BLM peaceful protesters should do someone about it if they don’t want their cause hijacked.

I couldn’t agree more with you. All these criminal acts have absolutely nothing to do with GEORGE FLOYD or bringing about changes towards black people. Explain to me how arson, looting, chaos, violence and murder has anything to do with improving our nation. In my opinion, as soon as these rioting scumbags burnt down the police station, the military should have been called in immediately to quell this destruction.

Violent protesters burn, loot, destroy

Peaceful protesters causing a huge spike in covid 19 cases

It's a win/win situation for the rest of us

Look at several thousand protesters on a Portland bridge, lying inches from each other

Doesn't matter if they have cloth masks or not, infected individuals spread tiny virus particles just by breathing. These particles are not stopped by cloth masks.

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So why aren’t they being stopped?