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The Minneapolis police with be exonerated of wrongdoing in the George Floyd case once all facts are brought to light, in calmer times, during their trial.

Why do you think that?

You may be correct. If I were on the jury, I could only convict the police officers if the prosecutor could prove that they knew their actions would cause death. When a doctor makes a mistake and kills someone, they are almost never charged with a crime. I see this as a similar situation.

Not if the prosecutor gets the jury he wants.
And if they do get found not guilty, these riots the last 6 weeks will look like a tea party.

I can see that happening; just think what the rioting will be like after that.....

BLM doesn’t believe in the justice system.

I don't care how calm the times are or what George Floyd had done in the past ... Derek Chauvin is a bad cop... who the hell kneels on someones kneck for 8 minutes when they have the person handcuffed and under control ... he belongs in jail for the rest of his life IMO

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If/whenever that DOES happen, all hell will break loose - countrywide. Remember Ridney King trial in L.A.??? This would make THAT look like child's play...


1992 Los Angeles riots
Apr 29, 1992 – May 4, 1992
Description
DescriptionThe 1992 Los Angeles riots, sometimes called the 1992 Los Angeles uprising, were a series of riots and civil disturbances that occurred in Los Angeles County in April and May 1992. Wikipedia
Dates: Apr 29, 1992 – May 4, 1992
Arrested: 12,111
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
Total number of deaths: 63
Injuries: 2,383
Methods: Looting, Assault, Arson, Protest, Property damage, Murder, Riot


The 1992 Los Angeles riots, sometimes called the 1992 Los Angeles uprising,[4][5] were a series of riots and civil disturbances that occurred in Los Angeles County in April and May 1992. Unrest began in South Central Los Angeles on April 29, after a trial jury acquitted four officers of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) for usage of excessive force in the arrest and beating of Rodney King, which had been videotaped and widely viewed in TV broadcasts.

The rioting took place in several areas in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, as thousands of people rioted over a six-day period following the announcement of the verdict. Widespread looting, assault, and arson occurred during the riots, which local police forces had difficulty to control due to lack of personnel and resources. The situation in the Los Angeles area was only resolved after the California National Guard, the United States military, and several federal law enforcement agencies were deployed to assist in ending the violence and unrest.

By the time the riots ended, 63 people had been killed,[6] 2,383 had been injured, more than 12,000 had been arrested, and estimates of property damage were over $1 billion, much of which disproportionately affected Koreatown, where the bulk of rioting occurred. LAPD Chief of Police Daryl Gates, who had already announced his resignation by the time of the riots, was attributed with much of the blame for failure to de-escalate the situation and overall mismanagement
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George Floyd would still be alive to pass counterfeit bills if his mother would have ingrained in him like mine did me; If the teacher says it, do it, If the bible says it, do it, if me or your dad say it, do it and if a cop says stop, stop.

I couldn't agree more.

As for the all white jury (after a venue change), that acquitted the 4 white cops that beat Rodney King as we all saw the video of them doing it and without a doubt of them being guilty, who can say with a straight face that white privilege doesn't exist? The rioting, death, destruction and looting should not have happened however and no one should advocate such, even in the face of such an obvious miscarriage of justice. OJ Simpson should have been put in prison for life for his vicious murders, but because the King verdict was such an atrocity of justice, he got away with it as payback for King. That so many don't see anything wrong with what Chauvin did, shows how little we've improved as a nation when it comes to how we view blacks in our society. If there is any question to that fact, a person only needs to read the constant threads and posts on this site to see the same attitude.

Having scoured all of the threads and posts since this incident, there's one thing I haven't seen a single person say. That being how they think their life would have been easier in general and they would have had a better chance, or an easier time, of being successful, if only they had been born with black skin.

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Yes, and GG (other-feet type of thing) IF the (unbelievably STUPID MN officer) did NOT (for whatever reason) kneel on GFs neck (at all) and for SO long. GF would still be alive.

But honestly, the way this country is becoming so ravaged politically, if THAT spark didn't ignite matters - yet another one would have. AND... wait until the next one...
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I don’t think it was Floyd’s fault that a cop killed him. For example, if I get pulled over for speeding I don’t expect a cop to kill me, even though my mama said not to speed.

Almost all of the people on here think the cop is guilty based on what we saw.

One of these days blm will find someone with a clean record to make a hero out of.

g00gle "george floyd and fentanyl", 618,000 results, take your pick.

Because it's a BS hypothetical question, as are all hypothetical questions. Hypothetical questions only yield hypothetical answers.
Hypothetically speaking of course.

Steve

1. kneeling on an offenders neck is permissible by law in Minneapolis to incapacitate him in a similar way the choke hold was used. Unfortunately there is no precise time limit to achieve the objective and like the choke hold death can occur., but rarely.

2. George Floyd had a history of violence and was high on meth at the time of his arrest. This can lead to irrational behavior and is especially problematic for the police officers safety.

3. George Floyd twice resisted arrest. Office Chauvin talked respectfully to Mr. Floyd and offered an option of two ways to be arrested and taken to jail. Mr. Floyd was a three time loser and faced life if arrested . This might have been part of his refusal to follow police instructions.

4. Courts recognize the judgements police must make on the spot and intent to harm will have to be proven.

The arrested policemen are probably safer in jail than out on bail.

gracie, it's not about what he did... yes if he passed a bogus $20 bill he should be arrested... my point is he was handcuffed and subdued... what was the purpose of keeping a knee on his neck for 8 minutes?? I could understand if he was fighting back but he was just lying there.. this cop gives all the good cops a bad name and makes it harder for them to do their job.. as far as following the bible.. I personally don't believe anymore

Let them riot ... except this time the police should read them the Riot Act three times, and then open fire if the rooters don't disburse and start torching the place.

This has been a fundamental part of English Common Law ... since forever.

Almost complete "alternative facts".

1. No. Neither is nor was. Or can you show us where kneeling was authorized?

2. Again, no. "There were also traces of recent methamphetamine use." Source: Updated Autopsy Report: George Floyd Died of Heart Attack with Evidence of Fentanyl and Meth Use | Science Times
And even if he had used meth, Officer Chauvin supposedly knew this???

3. Three in a row, nope. According to Minneapolis Chief of Police Medaria Arradondo, a 30-year veteran, "George Floyd wasn't resisting arrest". Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo on George Floyd's killing, policies during protests and reform for his department - 60 Minutes - CBS News

4. Maybe. :ohdear:

Possibly counterfeit. According to Earl Gray, the attorney representing Thomas Lane, one of the cops involved, "...after the car was searched, two $20 bills and two $1 bills that he (Lane) saw were counterfeit were found between the seats.“ Counterfeit $20 bill now part of George Floyd murder case
Counterfeit $1 bills??? Something fishy here. Let's wait for the official report.

The videos in the case that were released show Floyd handcuffed up against a storefront and not putting up much resistance. The next video shows Floyd on the other side of the street, on the ground behind a police cruiser with several police on him with Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck. What happened between those two videos???? Those unreleased videos hold the key to what happened. IF Floyd was violent then some form of restraint was justified. IF only minimal restraint was justified, and the police used excessive force, then perhaps murder 3 or manslaughter would be appropriate. IF Floyd was not violent, then perhaps murder 1 would be appropriate. Floyd being handcuffed and showing little resistance and then later being on the other side of the street on the ground with several cops on him with Chauvin kneeling on his neck indicates to me that something is missing. We need all the evidence before we can judge what really happened!

1. Why did Chief say they banned a policy, that does not exist?

2. Floyd autopsy stated he was "intoxicated" with fentanyl and it was measured at a level that can be lethal.

3. You are misconstruing what the Chief said. There are bodycam audio tapes of Floyd refusing to raise his hands, struggling with officers when they put him in a patrol car. Even a witness in the car saying "stop resisting Floyd"

The transcripts show Floyd continued to ask officers not to shoot him as he stepped from his vehicle and suggest he struggled with officers as they tried to handcuff him. “Stop resisting Floyd!” Shawanda Renee Hill, a witness inside the car, called out, according to the transcript of the footage from Lane’s camera.

According to the transcripts, the officers tried placing Floyd in the squad car, but he resisted, repeatedly telling them he was “claustrophobic” and had “anxiety.” He begged to be released from his handcuffs, promising he wouldn’t hurt anyone. “Y’all, I’m going to die in here,” he told them. “I just had COVID man, don’t want to go back to that.”

By then, Chauvin and Thao had arrived as Kueng and Lane were struggling to get Floyd in the car. It’s unclear whether they were attempting to assist, but at one point, an unknown officer sought to intervene, according to the transcripts. “Man, you’re going to die of a heart attack,” one of the officers told Floyd. “Just get in the car.”

I saw the interview of the chief on 60 minutes. I was not impressed thought he thought more of the rioters than his people.

If I'd been born with black skin I may have been able to get into Harvard or other top drawer university or college with mediocre grades and a low SAT score under Affirmative Action. I would have been coached on tests and given answers ahead of time so I could pass.

I might even have obtained a full ride in graduate school as a "foreign student".

And I may have been sought out by employers and given much higher salaries than my counterparts and only had to show up on paydays to collect my paychecks, never really doing any work due to affirmative actions type quotas. I would be literally unfirable.


As a white I saw all of the above happen and more than once.

This is so obviously true for anyone who's been in the corporate world ... which has become the home of woke. But, it sound strange because speech codes forbid anyone saying this hence we all pretend it doesn't exist.

Usually, when several people of roughly comparable competence competed for a job and the black guy was selected ... that was ok with me.

But, when an incompetent boob was selected pretty much because of the color of the skin ... I had, and have, a problem with that.

To put it in personal terms, would anyone want an affirmative action heart surgeon operating on them?

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Yes! The actions of one scumbag cop means that are all like that. Idiots!

similarly the cop in atl will be found not guilty,,, the da has overcharged the case probably for 2 reasons: 1, an attempt to mollify black public opinion; & 2, to demonstrate his ability/performance in office is reason to re-elect him.

The devil is in the details. The post I responded to declared that "kneeling on an offenders neck is permissible by law in Minneapolis" which never was an expressly approved restraint. The "high on meth" is likewise a conclusion drawn by the poster rather than any official report. Stating these assumptions as facts just perpetuates more rumors & slants the whole conversation.
Maybe he was acting intoxicated, maybe he was genuinely claustrophobic. Neither one justifies kneeling on a fully restrained suspect's neck for nearly 9 minutes, including almost three minutes while Floyd was unresponsive.
I'm not misconstruing a direct answer to a direct question, Minneapolis Chief of Police Medaria Arradondo told Lesley Stahl, "George Floyd wasn't resisting arrest".

Spoken like a true white person. Misconstrued, manipulated, inaccurate, and out right incorrect statements. Since when were the police given the right to be judge, jury and executioner? From a NYer who worked with the police and experienced the full range of human judgement and attitude.

The family of George Floyd has already received more than $14,000,000.00 in “Go Fund Me” donations.

It’s hard to believe in a “justice” system that fails to get you justice time and time again for decades or even centuries.

Chauvin said if Floyd could talk he could breathe which is true if someone is choking. However, major blood vessels like the carotid artery were being occluded. I do wonder if the reason for the neck hold was to minimize the spread of Covid 19 by keeping his head turned in the opposite direction. Chauvin told police he had Covid.

Heard recently 75% of shootings and killings in large cities are not proscecuted.

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Seriously??!!!

I don't see those exact words in quotes anywhere in your link. Just the following exchange in which the Chief may be only disagreeing with the second part of Stahl's question. Doesn't matter anyway, the Chief did not witness the arrest and won't be called to testify on whether or not Floyd resisted. The defense will use the female witness in the car and bodycam video and audio to prove it.

Lesley Stahl: So as I understand it, there was something released to the press, that George Floyd had resisted arrest and that he had-- I'm gonna read this, died "after a medical incident during a police interaction."

Chief Medaria Arradondo: That was preliminary information that was absolutely an official police statement however, um, that was not accurate.

I had the exact same question. It seemed an important part of the video was missing. Was it purposefully omitted by the media.

I totally agree with you John 41, but do you really think Officer Chauvin is going to get off easy--that would mean a Civil War.

Thank a police officer for the work they do every chance you get. Speak up for America every chance you get.

Thank you for this comment. I am hearing echos of the "white piwer" guy with some of the comments.

Fentanyl is a narcotic. Anyone in the medical profession knows respiratory depression is a major side effect of narcotics and can lead to death. As a matter of fact respiratory depression is the reason for death in narcotic overdoses. How much was respiratory depression related to Fentanyl use a factor? Fentanyl is one of the most powerful narcotics out there.

If his carotids were occluded, he could not talk either, unless he could talk while unconscious