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coffeebean 02-14-2021 02:31 PM

Vaccine side effects are actually a GOOD thing
 
This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube

Was curious to see the "other side of the story" so I clicked on the link. The video has been pulled due to "False Information" and "Checked by independent fact checkers".

billethkid 02-14-2021 03:54 PM

Well done presentation of a complex process.
I learned something watching it.
Thanx for posting.

asianthree 02-14-2021 04:52 PM

Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

coffeebean 02-14-2021 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1902197)
Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

Altavia 02-14-2021 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1902197)
Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

You've repeatedly stated medical professionals refusing vaccine, what's your source?

The only study I've found had that rate at 19%, about the same as the general population. Of that 19%, over half worked in retirement communities. Which explains the high infection rates in those facilities...

Where do you work?

DeanFL 02-14-2021 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902258)
Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

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Completely, totally, absolutely, wholeheartedly AGREE with you.

We got #1 Moderna, and #2 in 3 weeks.
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chet2020 02-15-2021 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1902197)
Utube for medical advice, or explanation, is there a office visit charge? Sorry I listen to the 6 medical professionals who actually know me, and can give professional advice, on facts of the patient, not a general analogy. Most who are refusing are medical professionals themselves.

BS.

dms4rn 02-15-2021 05:49 AM

I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

MandoMan 02-15-2021 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1902261)
You've repeatedly stated medical professionals refusing vaccine, what's your source?

The only study I've found had that rate at 19%, about the same as the general population. Of that 19%, over half worked in retirement communities. Which explains the high infection rates in those facilities...

Where do you work?

“Real” doctors get vaccinated and urge their patients to get vaccinated. If your doctor recommends, instead, an herbal supplement, or something similar, then flee! I believe in chiropractic medicine for certain musculoskeletal-skeletal pains, and acupuncture at times, but there are plenty of doctors of one sort or another who graduated at the bottom of their classes or who believe quack theories. Even doctors who can do a nifty spinal manipulation may try to sell you things that double your bill but aren’t necessary for people who eat properly, like multivitamins or various herbs or chemicals. For me, if a doctor doubts the vaccine, I would walk out at once.

Cobullymom 02-15-2021 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1902292)
I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Thank you...as a nurse of 30 years, totally agree...

tsmall22204 02-15-2021 05:57 AM

Sulpose you are in the 1% group. It is like putting on a seat belt there is a 99% chance you will NOT be in an accident but you do it as a secondary protection method.

GRACEALLEMAN 02-15-2021 06:00 AM

This is propaganda. I know of several people who got very very ill after taking it. One almost died. Why would you take a vaccine that just came out, are you the one that purchases a car a new model, and then to find out later on that it was the worst engine that ever was invented or something blew up that you should have waited at least a year until you see how many of them die on the road

Cobullymom 02-15-2021 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902258)
Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

Have you not ever heard or seen the hundreds of drugs manufactured by pharmaceutical companies over the years that went through extensive research and testing, put out on the market only to be recalled after there has been many repercussions, severe reactions, cancer, deaths....and everyone of them was cleared by the FDA for use? These vaccines have had no longevity study, but you do whatever you feel comfortable with and leave the rest of us to make our own educated decisions.

villageuser 02-15-2021 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1902292)
I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

I agree with you. Also want to add that I find it “interesting” that it was the top two more expensive vaccines which were approved first, Pfizer being the most expensive by A LOT, and the first one approved. It also does not prevent replication; it only minimizes the symptoms you will get if contaminated. AND you can still pass it on to someone else. Information gotten from the cdc and the .gov website. I will wait until we can stipulate which vaccine we want, and it will not be one of the RNA vaccine.

Tmarkwald 02-15-2021 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1902292)
I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Ok, so 10 years of testing as a SARS, MERS vaccine and over 100,000 test subjects doesn't count? The only difference is the tweak from SARS to SARS-cov-2.

Cobullymom 02-15-2021 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1902293)
“Real” doctors get vaccinated and urge their patients to get vaccinated. If your doctor recommends, instead, an herbal supplement, or something similar, then flee! I believe in chiropractic medicine for certain musculoskeletal-skeletal pains, and acupuncture at times, but there are plenty of doctors of one sort or another who graduated at the bottom of their classes or who believe quack theories. Even doctors who can do a nifty spinal manipulation may try to sell you things that double your bill but aren’t necessary for people who eat properly, like multivitamins or various herbs or chemicals. For me, if a doctor doubts the vaccine, I would walk out at once.

Real doctors, by what? Your definition....smh...lol

Tmarkwald 02-15-2021 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1902293)
“Real” doctors get vaccinated and urge their patients to get vaccinated. If your doctor recommends, instead, an herbal supplement, or something similar, then flee! I believe in chiropractic medicine for certain musculoskeletal-skeletal pains, and acupuncture at times, but there are plenty of doctors of one sort or another who graduated at the bottom of their classes or who believe quack theories. Even doctors who can do a nifty spinal manipulation may try to sell you things that double your bill but aren’t necessary for people who eat properly, like multivitamins or various herbs or chemicals. For me, if a doctor doubts the vaccine, I would walk out at once.

Perfect. Any medical professional who advocates not getting the vaccine should lose their license.

Cobullymom 02-15-2021 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1902310)
Perfect. Any medical professional who advocates not getting the vaccine should lose their license.

Why because you say so? The comments thrown out are those whom believe they should dictate others medical care and advice, over that of a medical doctor...There will always be medical differences of opinions, if they differ from yours, they should loose their license? Unbelievable...

merrymini 02-15-2021 06:42 AM

Your doctor makes decisions about your medical care every time you see them. The mRNA vaccines being used for the chinese flu are some of the first authorized for use in the United States. I, for one, am not convinced that it is a good thing to take. There have been no long term studies done on them. I will wait to see if the people taking them grow another head first. This is not the plague. It has a good survival rate and I have know many people who have had it and recovered fully, even a 90 year old. You cannot know, before you get sick or take a vaccine, what your body’s response will be. Big pay day for big pharm and a huge bill waiting for us at the nurses station. I respect every person’s decision including my own.

Cheapbas 02-15-2021 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902258)
Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

Sorry, not sure I fully believe those saying medical professionals refusing.

This is mRNA, a different technology, not the old method of injecting dead cells.

They have been working on this since 2005, making great strides which is why it was ready in under a year. This will be the model of the future and will enable faster responses.

Fauci could not have said it better

“ The speed is a reflection of years of work that went before,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press. “That’s what the public has to understand.”

Creating vaccines and having results from rigorous studies less than a year after the world discovered a never-before-seen disease is incredible, cutting years off normal development. But the two U.S. frontrunners are made in a way that promises speedier development may become the norm — especially if they prove to work long-term as well as early testing suggests.”

For the anti-vaxers posting here, thanks for your “ this is the way we’ve always done it” input. You’re outdated.

MickeyStevens 02-15-2021 07:00 AM

Get vaccine or not get vaccine? Folks it's not news we are only on this earth a short time. Yes all of us want to live as long as possible I'll get the vaccine but one way or the other I'll never get off this earth alive. I don't have a death wish but I believe when we pass was written when we were born. Me? I've had a great life and if I were to die today I have no regrets I have faith in God, whatever will be will be.

RockyGeans 02-15-2021 07:08 AM

Amen!
 
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902258)
Honestly, scratching my head that medical professionals are refusing this vaccine. If they know something the general public doesn't know, I wish they would enlighten us all.

Could not agree more!

coffeebean 02-15-2021 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1902292)
I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

What's the point? A person will not die of Covid, that is the point. A person will not have the "long haul" effects of Covid if they do survive. That's the point.

You claim there is a huge percentage that people survive Covid, BUT that small percentage of people who don't survive can be a real killer! I guess you and your health care professional friends are willing to take that gamble??? Good luck to you all.

Masking will eventually be a thing of the past once our population reaches herd immunity. That will only happen if enough people are vaccinated.

Arl 02-15-2021 07:16 AM

I totally agree thank you

oneclickplus 02-15-2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902153)
This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube

Dr. Kirsten Lyke ... from the video ... referring to side effects:

"in general, it's nothing to fear. It's our own immune systems kicking in and doing what it's supposed to do".

Well, everyone's immune system kicks in and does what it's supposed to do WITHOUT getting an mRNA shot (not a vaccine).

Not getting the shot (not a vaccine) ever. It's not a matter of how safe it is or how effective it is. It is a matter of a free American making a personal choice that is no one else's business.

davephan 02-15-2021 07:34 AM

No one is being forced to take the COVID-19 vaccination. If you’re doctor recommended not taking the vaccination, I’d suggest getting a second or third opinion from another doctor at another clinic or hospital.

Currently, 29% of the seniors in Florida had at least one vaccination shot, and 16% had both vaccination shot. In a month from now, 42% of seniors will have had at least one vaccination shot, and 29% will have had both vaccination shots. At that rate, it will take about three months to vaccinate all the seniors in Florida.

It’s you’re choice to opt out of the COVID-19 vaccination if you are afraid of the possible bad outcome of taking the vaccination shots. However, you are then accepting the risks and implications of getting COVID-19. But you are also saving vaccination shots for the rest of society, to get their vaccination shots a little quicker.

Eventually, not having the vaccination shot could deny you air travel, cruises, mass transit, and other large crowd gatherings. Perhaps your health insurance costs might increase too. It’s not hard to envision future implementations of not being vaccinated.

If the reasons to not be vaccinated were valid, you would probably have seen a lot more bad reactions to the vaccinations by this time.

oneclickplus 02-15-2021 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902337)

Masking will eventually be a thing of the past once our population reaches herd immunity. That will only happen if enough people are vaccinated.

Actually, no. That can also happen if enough people are exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems respond and create and immunity.

camaguey48 02-15-2021 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902153)
This is the latest information from the CDC about the mRNA vaccines. Those folks "on the fence" about taking one of the mRNA vaccines may want to watch this video......

Vaccine side effects are actually a good thing - YouTube

Please everybody. Stop. Take it if it feels good. Move along with your lives and mind your business. Give it a rest, please.

oneclickplus 02-15-2021 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by davephan (Post 1902349)
If the reasons to not be vaccinated were valid, you would probably have seen a lot more bad reactions to the vaccinations by this time.

Really? You give any consideration that possibly millions will have a long-term adverse reaction such as an auto-immune condition from mRNA running wild in your cells? You have that crystal ball?

SophieP 02-15-2021 07:42 AM

Great, informative video.....Thank you for sharing this!

Altavia 02-15-2021 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1902292)
I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

Talk to a real COVID nurse. The infected 1% spend their final horrible 1-3 weeks drowning alone on their own body fluids. Another 2-3% have long term after effects in major body organs or suffer multiple mini strokes (brain fog) due to thousands of microembolisms.

Medical professionals that ignor medicine and science who are not willing to reduce the risk of infecting their susceptible patients should find another profession. At least let their patients know so they can ask for someone else.

Johnsocat 02-15-2021 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tsmall22204 (Post 1902298)
Sulpose you are in the 1% group. It is like putting on a seat belt there is a 99% chance you will NOT be in an accident but you do it as a secondary protection method.

There is a percentage of people who die BECAUSE they were a seat belt. There are no guarantees in life...

Bill14564 02-15-2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1902350)
Actually, no. That can also happen if enough people are exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems respond and create and immunity.

Let's see, if there have been at least as many asymptomatic cases as there have been confirmed cases (27M) that means about 54M people in the US have been infected so far.

If the current fatality rate among confirmed cases is 1.5% then that means the overall fatality rate including asymptomatic infections is about 0.75%.

If you need 80% of the population to be immune then with 300M people in the US that would be 240M infections.

At a fatality rate of 0.75%, 240M infections would lead to 1,800,000 deaths. Since we are close to 500,000 deaths today, that means only 1,300,000 more people would be expected to die for enough people to be exposed to the virus and their God-given immune systems to respond and give immunity.

So, we can move forward with the vaccine or we can look forward to 1,300,000 more deaths: I know what my choice is.

Johnsocat 02-15-2021 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1902337)
What's the point? A person will not die of Covid, that is the point. A person will not have the "long haul" effects of Covid if they do survive. That's the point.

You claim there is a huge percentage that people survive Covid, BUT that small percentage of people who don't survive can be a real killer! I guess you and your health care professional friends are willing to take that gamble??? Good luck to you all.

Masking will eventually be a thing of the past once our population reaches herd immunity. That will only happen if enough people are vaccinated.

Who knows what the "long haul" after effects of the virus are? Additionally, no one knows what the "long haul" effects of the RNA vaccine are?
Seems you are accepting risk either way..

Andyb 02-15-2021 08:10 AM

Yep, go ahead and believe the CDC and your current Government.

virtualcynthia 02-15-2021 08:11 AM

Thank you for the video. It was great. However, I almost regret opening the thread because I started reading the debate again.
Part of the issue is age. The survival rate is lower and hospitalization rate higher as you get older. The medical profession seems to reflect the general population in their feelings about the vaccine. We don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine, but we don’t know the long term effects of COVID. Bottom line, make the decision that’s best for you and give the debate a rest. Also, if you can, over tip, give to food pantries, do what ever you can to help those whose lives have been so turned up side down who are mainly under but also over 65. Be blessed.

irishwonone 02-15-2021 08:16 AM

Wow. The Villages seems to have more Covid-19 experts than I could ever imagined. Totally amazing.

tvmurray 02-15-2021 08:17 AM

Thank you for saying what we believe!

Love2Swim 02-15-2021 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dms4rn (Post 1902292)
I work as an RN. I don’t know anyone in my profession willing to take the vaccine. Rushed to market without thorough testing. Unknown side effects down the road. What’s the point if you still have to wear a face diaper and get re-vaccinated every year for something with a > than 99% survival rate?

A CDC survey back in November showed that 63% of healthcare workers are ready to get the vaccine, and the numbers are higher today.

Love2Swim 02-15-2021 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1902325)
Sorry, not sure I fully believe those saying medical professionals refusing.

This is mRNA, a different technology, not the old method of injecting dead cells.

They have been working on this since 2005, making great strides which is why it was ready in under a year. This will be the model of the future and will enable faster responses.

Fauci could not have said it better

“ The speed is a reflection of years of work that went before,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press. “That’s what the public has to understand.”

Creating vaccines and having results from rigorous studies less than a year after the world discovered a never-before-seen disease is incredible, cutting years off normal development. But the two U.S. frontrunners are made in a way that promises speedier development may become the norm — especially if they prove to work long-term as well as early testing suggests.”

For the anti-vaxers posting here, thanks for your “ this is the way we’ve always done it” input. You’re outdated.

:bigbow:


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