CDC director "our data from the CDC -- vaccinated people do not carry the virus"
 

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html

Might be because only 15% of the US Population have been vaccinated. That leaves 85% (I'm a math wizard) of us are vulnerable and can spread the virus. Trying to protect that 85% until they are fully protected requires masks, social distancing, hand washing etc. Until that happens travel restrictions, masks on airplanes and trains and in unknown groups need to be continued. Your question is apples and oranges.

Just a guess here, but the most likely explanation that I can think of is that since there's no way to readily tell if someone has been vaccinated or not, the decision to wear a mask or not would be on the honor system. Her and Fauci's concern isn't so much that people who have been vaccinated will spread the virus, it's more that people who haven't been vaccinated will no longer feel the social pressure to wear a mask, and that they'll be the ones spreading it.

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

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nope - the question is - if one is fully vaccinated (as we are) and two weeks after SCIENCE shows what SHE said...

Why are WE (such as I believe that almost 50% of TVrs vaccinated now) told to wear masks, avoid travel, 6' distance and all the other stuff? Oh - perhaps to show "our patriotism" as someone says all the time... And BTW - if this data was really widely made public - THAT would truly be an incentive for those holding out...

apples<>apples.
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According to stats I have heard recently, the boomers and beyond have a high percentage getting vaccinated. And — hospitalizations are way down in this age group.

But — there is a rise in hospitalizations among people in their 30s and 40s.

Some of the younger age group simply have not had the chance to get the vaccination yet.

Some still think they are invincible.

And, of course, there must be a small percentage with a legit reason not to vax up.

But many others are the “muh freedoms” bunch with probably also a correlation to how much influence their constant, poison, Facebook feeds have in their lives.

When we are out and about, we can cross paths with a lot of 30 and 40-somethings so I will continue to wear a mask in public places.

This is a learning curve. I cannot figure out how some people can’t use their own brains to think this thing through and see that we are experiencing a learning curve, so we need to pay very close attention to the science and do the best we can — which is what Fauci & Co. are doing. But noooooo, some gotta go ‘round always loaded for bear.

We can get there — unless Pogo is proved to be right in this one, too.

We were recently invited to a little party later in the month — of only vaccinated guests — and that’s just fine with me — we won’t be wearing masks.

Boomer

Seems prudent to maintain risk reductions methods until there is proof we have reached and sustained a low rate of new infections.

People not doing so will make this take longer.

The real problem is 35% of the population are anti-vaxxers, and they are ruining it for everyone else, especially as some vaccines are being throw out because of lack of interest (not here though).

I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived.

If I read the article correctly, the data suggests that 90% of the vaccinated people do not carry the virus. So if 50% of the people are vaccinated then 45% of the people (90% of 50%) probably do not carry the virus.

There is a 10% chance that you, as a vaccinated person, can still infect someone - wear a mask.

Over 50% of those around you are not vaccinated - wear a mask.

Without a large "V" tattooed on your head there is no way to know who is vaccinated and who is not. In order to avoid vaccine-shaming those who have been unable to get a vaccine and to improve mask compliance - wear a mask.

New infections and hospitalizations are still high (and 1,000 deaths per day is not small) - there is still a pandemic to deal with - wear a mask

Ask again when hospitalizations and deaths are near zero and when 90% of the population has had the vaccine.

Did you see or read the CDC Director and the science behind it? If someone wants protection at this point, stay home.

Florida 50+ are eligible for vaccination, so no more excuses for anyone.

Dominoes delivers....

Yes, I did see that, did you read it?

Great for the 50+ who have been able to get an appointment but what about those who have not? Too bad for them? Even here in the Villages I see people who must be under 50, do we just throw them off the raft too?

Actually, it’s 40 and over, going to 16 and over April 7th. Two weeks ago it was incredibly easy to get a vaccine. Signup at saferestart, signup at myvaccine.fl.gov, call your doctor, login to Publix at 7am Mon, wed, fri. Scan availability at Winn Dixie, Walmart, Sam’s Club, CVS, Walgreens. Lots of options.

All the more reason that everyone should do their part to stamp out this virus. No excuses from those who have no medical reason to refuse the vaccine. Get yourself vaccinated for crying out loud. Do it for the good of your fellow citizens; do it for your country; do it for your loved ones. Oh....... and do it so you won't possibly get sick and die from this virus.

Some people just want to berate Dr. Fauci every chance they get. Thank you for his explanation which, seriously, everyone should have already known if they would just put on their thinking cap. This is not rocket science, folks.

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IF you read my initial post - I did not berate Fauci - simply that WHAT HE IS SAYING is NOT in keeping with the CDC findings as I posted. period. Facts, not emotions. And no, not rocket science.
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100% correct and I agree wholeheartedly

Maybe so that you are not attacked by a violent mob of ignorant citizens who don't know you've been vaccinated

I did read your original post and my take away was that you don't understand Dr. Fauci's stance on NOT ditching the masks yet. If I misunderstood your intentions, I apologize.

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I was (almost) hoping that the Covid vaccine would "leave a mark" on the injection site as vaccines did when we were kids ---evidence.

Then I thought, a little tattoo, not quite as elaborate as this guy's>>> mine would be imprinted on my tongue - so if someone questions me, I stick out my tongue at them. double meaning.
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Here is the exact wording from the CDC's webpage
Your statement OP:
Fauci suggest, his does not insist, that vaccinated people still wear masks because there is a 10% chance that despite being fully immunized you are still capable of being contagious to others. Additionally in the discussion of the data on the CDC's website the authors list factors which may have resulted in an over-estimation of the vaccine's effectiveness, so the real number of breakthrough shedders may be higher than 10%.

This study was brief. It began with the date of the first shot in mid-December 2020. Thus 2 weeks after the second shot was end of January and the study ended the middle of March barely 6 to 7 weeks. So 10% or more of people when their titers were at the best broke through in a very short time frame.

Dr. Fauci has pointed out, repeatedly, that the fewer people shedding virus the sooner we come out from this pandemic. If 10% of vaccinated people may over a relatively brief period of time will be shedding then public health concerns would encourage all vaccinated people to be not selfish and not ignore the evidence that they may in fact be shedding. So protect others at least until everyone has been immunized who can be and will be. His message is absolutely not inconsistent with that of the CDC director nor the data. His message is based on the science to date and will change at some point when more data is available.

It is worth adding that this is not a study of the general population, rather those studied may be at higher risk of exposure as they all were in high risk jobs. However the study excluded those with anti-Covid antibodies from natural infection prior to the first shot and only 12% had natural antibodies despite being in the high risk job for nearly a year's worth of the epidemic.

And this, or something like it, just might be the "vaccination passport" in the future

CDC Director
 

The CDC Director used the word “suggest”. That means the science is implied. So no guarantee yet, on if it is an actual fact. Thereby, they are erroring on the side of caution, until more research is done.

Just in the For What it's worth category...

TV is doing pretty good.

The next surge is coming over the unprotected southern border. The covid infection rate there is 10% with the deadly Brazilian variant found also. But Fauci said he can’t comment on the border because he doesn’t know anything about it.

That sounds like Dumb and Dumber - where he asks if he has a chance, and she says not in a million years, which to him means, he has a chance.

I think we need to accept the fact that after the waiting period, an inoculated person cannot carry nor have the virus. But to take the one-in-a-million as proof that there is a possibility, and trying to take that to bank doesn't fly. You've got a better chance of winning the Poweball. Every daye. For a year.

How about one in ten, is that worth taking to the bank? (your information on the odds of winning Powerball is very wrong also)

one in ten chance of catching Covid after being vaccinated? Definately not that. Not sure what the one in ten is referring to..

However, the testimony was the chance of catching covid is nearly impossible, or rather no known cases after the waiting period, as real world studies show -in other works, after the successful vaccination the chance is effectively zero.

How about out of respect for those that have not yet been vaccinated and need to go out to do essential things. Ever time they have to walk by someone without a mask they have no idea if that person has been vaccinated or not. I got my first shot and am scheduled for the second soon, but I will still be wearing a mask in public (indoors always and outdoors when near other people) because it is the unselfish and correct thing to do. Why can't people just mask up out of respect for others and stop only thinking about their own personal comfort? This pandemic has really shown an ability to separate those that are considerate of others and those that are totally self centered, and I will remember which category people fall in forever.

You clearly did not read the report you are referring to.

I applaud your reasoning, with one small caveat. Once you've had shot number 2 and the requisite time has passed, you are no longer a danger (if you ever really were). So wearing a mask is simply to make others feel better, not to provide any level of protection.

The truly selfish are those that refuse to get the vaccine and except other to protect them. Now that Florida is hitting the 40+ age group eligibility, the danger within the villages has gone to NIL since everyone in TV who want the vaccine has gotten it.

I went to WalMart, Publix, and CVS and it was a walk up. All had the vaccine available with no lines.

That's interesting. As of 10 minutes ago, the vaccination websites for publix and cvs both showed no appointments available and walmart did not have any availability until next Wednesday. Do you suppose they are requiring appointments while at the same time taking walk-ins? I suspect there are some here who would like to take advantage of that.

It could be - I was making my late afternoon run - heading back up north for more cold weather for a couple of weeks. Perhaps end of day is different? That would make if they have a surplus of vaccine.

The issue when I got mine wasn't the vaccine quantity, it was the number of people actually doing the inoculations.

Because people are getting ill from variants of Covid after being vaccinated. The stats are not in as to why this is happening but it’s been all over the news.

Here’s one article:

Earlier this month, the Minnesota Department of Health released a health advisory stating that along with the CDC, it is investigating COVID-19 infections among people who are “appropriately vaccinated,” also called vaccine breakthrough cases, according to the advisory.

News 6 checked and the Florida Department of Health in Volusia County has six documented breakthrough cases while Sumter County has six and Lake County has 26 cases, according to emails from each county’s spokesperson.

Dr. Timothy Hendrix is with Advent Health and said it is possible for someone who is fully vaccinated to still contract the virus.

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It keeps Doctors on the news they are famous and don’t want to give it up

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...185100232.html[/QUOTE]

If you are vaccinated no mask required, those that are not vaccinated are at risk if they are worried they should wear a mask and avoid close contact with others . Leave the rest of us alone we were prudent and received the vaccine.

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"I really think that Darwin will weed out those that refuse the vaccine and we'll be left with those that survived."[/QUOTE]

...I really think that those that have received the vaccine may, at some time in the future, be weeded out by some virus variant because their natural immune system was compromised by the vaccine, and we'll be left with those healthy folks with a robust immune system that did not need, nor want, the vaccine.

You explained why 85% of you need masks but failed to answer the question why the 15% of us need to.

You could at least read the information posted on this thread even if you don't bother reading the actual material. You are wrong. 10% of those fully vaccinated had break through positive PCR tests in the period from two weeks after the second shot until about 7 weeks later. In that very short period 10% caught Covid, most of whom in fact developed mild symptoms. It is certain that these people were potentially shedding virus because that's what the PCR detects, virus in your nose.

The CDC has issued a clarification that supports exactly what I am telling you. The study report DID NOT LOOK at whether the people with positive PCR tests caused any secondary cases. And despite your claim there was no "testimony" that there were "no known cases" as she didn't say that at all. Her full transcript from Rachel Maddow's Monday show is HERE

She said, “LARGELY”. That does not mean “WILL DEFINITELY NOT”. Since one does not know if they are in the “largely” camp or in the “oops, it didn’t work for me” camp, we should all continue to wear our masks and social distance as recommended for vaccinated people.

By the way, i wanted to have an antibody test done to see if the vaccine had been effective for me, but my doctor would not approve it. He said an antibody test only tells you if you’ve had the virus. Since the three vaccines depend on memory B and T cells also to work, the antibody count does not provide the correct picture to determine one’s immunity level.