A Third of Covid Survivors Have Long Haul Symptoms
 

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Maybe.

Here is the byline from the article cited:

By Dennis Thompson
HealthDay Reporter

Hardly a bastion of medical science, even though the article also appeared on WebMD.

Also note the so called symptoms are fatigue and brain fog
I just have to wonder how many developed "fatigue and brain fog" when asked to give up their "pay for staying home" and return to work.

Yes, I know that is somewhat cynical, but I can't imagine it doesn't happen.

Then again, it may be 100% correct----we just don't know, and therefore the subject will be a target for extreme ideas.

I have a number of very heathy, actively working younger friends and family suffering from degrees of long hauler effects so that article seems rational to me.

An article that only uses a minute percentage of actual covid infected people is not a reliable source for the information the article proposes. Were they asked if they experienced these "long term" issues before they got covid? I would also want to know who funds this magazine. Lastly it has only been a year or so since the first Americans got covid and that is hardly long term as many who get pneumonia without covid experience issue up to a year or more. Many hip, knee, should replacement recipients also have proven long term effects.

I never just get one side of things and expect it to be the gods honest truth. In this day and age a person must question any result based on such a small sampling...unless, of course, they only care to hear one side of an issue.

It would seem the only reason for your post is to convince those who haven't had the vaccine do so because you just care so much as to what they could, might, may experience without the vaccine. I don't believe that is the actual reason.

And again, maybe

There is no way to quantify fatigue, brain fog and loss of taste/smell. It is 100% subjective. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we don't know

It's sort of like the guy in a car accident complaining of back pain and can't work. His x-rays, CT and MRI are all negative, the neurologist finds nothing objective, neither does the orthopedist. So now he goes to 2 places----a chiropractor (yuk) and Dan Newlin while he applies for SSDI. He goes to court for disability with testimony from the chiropractor (again yuk), conveniently not presenting the x rays, CTs, MRIs, nor the opinion of the orthopedist or neurologist as evidence. The judge then grants him disability, and the rest of us are supporting him for the rest of his life (or until age 65).
The last one of these I got drawn into I later saw working on the roof of a building hauling 75 pound bundles of shingles up a 20 foot ladder.

So the moral of the story is we still don't know. But from experience, I always look at these cases where there is substantial secondary gain with a jaded eye.

I have brain fog and fatigue----BUT mine comes from having rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia. I've had these for a number of years. NOW to go read the article.....yep, I read it. It wasn't a conclusive finding from my perspective.

The study was from the JAMA so it has credibility although the sample size 177 would not be large enough for 6 sigma standard deviation reliability.

Actually, JAMA doesn't do studies, they publish them. Part of the source for the article cited was a small study done at the Univ. of Washington, and the principal investigator/researcher was a woman with a BS. They also spoke with a few MDs.
Again, interesting, but hardly conclusive. Stay tuned.

SOURCES: Jennifer Logue, BS, research scientist, division of allergy and infectious diseases, department of medicine, University of Washington, Seattle; Kristin Englund, MD, infectious disease specialist, Cleveland Clinic, Ohio; David Hirschwerk, MD, attending infectious disease doctor, Northwell Health, Manhasset, N.Y.; Thomas Gut, DO, associate chair, medicine, and director, ambulatory care services, Staten Island University Hospital, New York City; Ravindra Ganesh, MBBS, MD, internist, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn.; JAMA Network Open, Feb. 19, 2021, online

Stanley, this one is for you (from that same thread that was CLOSED............

Post-COVID syndrome severely damages children's hearts: 'Immense inflammation' causing cardiac blood vessel dilation -- ScienceDaily

Why are you rehashing a thread that was closed? The Mods had a reason for it. I think you are just trying to stir the pot again(as always) I'm done arguing about the "vaccine" and the dreaded "covid". It's not getting anyone, especially me, to change their minds.

From the original article that "science daily" took it's info:

While the RCPCH definition of PIMS-TS recognizes the temporal association with COVID-19, it does not require proof of infection or exposure to meet the case definition

So, in other words, we just don't know if there is an association or not

Since none of this is conclusive, I consider the jury still out. I know over a dozen folks that have survived Covid. I know of two that did not. Those two definitely have "brain fog and fatigue." It's permanent. Of the dozen in my family that have survived Covid (easier than a common cold) none of them have reported any lasting symptoms or side effects. Of course, they are all younger than 50 yo.
I will NOT encourage my grandchildren or any school age children to get the Covid vaccination. Why? Because even though I got mine (for my spouse) I do not put much confidence in a vaccination where folks do not believe in it enough to quit wearing their masks or associate with those that are maskless, after they have been vaccinated. The second reason for not wishing the children of school age to get the Covid vaccination, is that the virus is very seldom fatal. As a matter of fact, it is less fatal than the Flu to children. Pretty sure of that statement, but I am not an expert. As with anything else posted on here, I have my opinion. How can anyone in good confidence encourage children to get the vaccination when they adamantly state that they will not take a cruise on a cruiseline that will allow unvaccinated to board the ship. If you do not have faith in your vaccination, how can you push children to get it? I keep hearing on here over and over how you are afraid of the maskless, unvaccinated and believe they should be forced to get the vaccination. If you are that scared then why did you get vaccinated? DO you really think that you will catch it?
I don't know about any long term after or lingering effects that covid may present, but if true then it has to be man made and someone needs to pay dearly for causing it. Even if it came from China or in our own backyard. It wouldn't be the first time a major scare came from our Gov. Remember Ft Detrick, MD and the anthrax scare?

2021 0609 Wednesday @ 12:51
I have been "on the fence" about the COVID shots since they were first announced. As I type this, my significant other has her back to me; she is working. She has received two shots. I haven't had anything - yet. However, I write to say how immensely appreciative I am of all of you; you, who waffle back and forth; those of you who have been "jabbed"; those of you who have not been "jabbed". I hear such strong "arguments" for both "sides". This decision is a tough one for me: new science and faith vs "bad" science and doubt.

Note: I am thankful to the moderators who do allow this topic to pop up again and again. I read them to <learn>; to "listen", to help me make my choice. Til then, I mask and I keep as much distance as possible.

Sorry to disagree. I am interested in this conversation.

So you decided to break forum rules?

"USERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT COMMENTS TOWARD ANOTHER USER."

But since you want to play...

Are you familiar with the definition of the word "could"? Or "for a few months"?

Hardly "long haulers"

And finally, getting your info from WebMD is folly, at best... Pretty much every symptom "could be" cancer...

Right... And the articles that Lancet had to retract helped their credibility...

Just because a Medical Journal publishes something doesn't mean it's gospel...

When did they contract Covid and how do you know "it's permanent"?

My wife lost taste and smell. It lasted about a week...

Me? No short/long term symptoms... Just a slight fever and body ache for 36 hrs...

We both had Covid well over a year ago...

The 2 w permanent brain fog died. Now, about those hospital administrators and billing clerks diagnosing covid.....?

I didn't get to read most of the thread while it was open. You asked for a link. I gave it to you. Why so upset?

What makes you think I'm "upset"? Far from that ............I'm OK with my life and my decisions of said life, while others seem to always need, strive, ad nauseam, for justification.

I didn't realize I broke any rules but thank you for informing me. I'm ready to go to the naughty room.

Thanks GE. I always appreciate your knowledge and expertise.

If he's caught, he is brought up on disability fraud and made to pay back every single cent he received for disability.

Happened to someone we know. The guy injured his back. The injury was legit, the back problem was legit. He had surgery, and received disability for years. But someone who knew him, was in the area investigating a different disability case, and saw him - working on his roof.

It got reported, the person we know pleaded no contest, and spent the next 20 years paying back all the disability he wasn't entitled to receive. No jail time since it was the first and only time he'd ever gotten in trouble with the law.

I had COVID (mild symptoms) and I also got the vaccine. I didn't get the vaccine because I was "afraid" of COVID, I got it because I felt all my friends who were vaccinated and never had COVID would be more comfortable with me if I got the vaccine.

Let me also say I had a close family member who died from COVID.

After getting the vaccine, if I thought I could get COVID, be hospitalized, and potentially die from COVID, why would I get the vaccine???

I don't care if people choose not to get the vaccine. It's their choice and their risk. Because I was vaccinated, I don't think an unvaccinated person is of any risk to me.

I don't understand why vaccinated people are so insistent about people getting the vaccine.

Well, I guess it's permanent for them (sadly)... But it doesn't prove it's permanent for anyone else...

And what about those admins and billing clerks? I supplied a link on that topic...

Closing a thread isn't removing a thread. I just means no one else can post on it...

Feel free to take your time and peruse what was posted (links included)...

Please provide that link again, it is not included in the now closed thread. I'm sincerely interested in understanding why/how you could make such a claim.

Thanks

Yes but another reason to get vaccinated is to help protect those who can not.

Fatigued alright
 

I'm fatigued alright - of these seemingly endless inane debates about the vaccine. It used to be don't discuss politics or religion. In The Villages, it expanded to debating electric vs. gas golf carts, and snowbirds. Now it's pro vs. con masks/vaccines. I have yet to find anyone who has changed their minds. So is this not just another exercise in futility, and a waste of spending one's remaining retirement years?

I read your link, seems 177 is a very small sample they projected that result to millions who had been infected. Seems sketchy research to me.

The Chinese are well aware of this, they have been studying this in Wuhan for years! They also are loving how most governments manage the Pandemic!

Unless covid affected you or family, who cares? Why do you need percentages? Do you need percentages of the after effects of pneumonia, cancer, etc Covid is here! Live your life and move on. Deal with it when you get it

Really…… obviously you don’t know what you’re talking about. This is really I know because my daughter has been suffering with this since January (yes she works) been to the doctors countless time to get IV bags and B12 shots. This has really taken a toll on her.
So shhhh about what you don’t know.

For someone who does not know you sure have a lot of opinions on the subject.
Why speak of someone you have no first hand experience with.
I have 3 family members (yes they all work) who have long-term effects from the virus.
Guess this is what happens when a virus is made in a lab.

My neighbor is still experiencing effects from the virus.
Not sure of the definition of "long-term"...............but he is coming up on a year.
He was the picture of good health & fitness.
:pray:

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

Please close this thread. I truly feel sorry for you all that just can’t seem move on - you will always find some scary article somewhere on the internet - that you will use to perpetuate your need to keep people in some kind of fear and despair ….. I hope history will be able to shed light on what causes people like you to have this desire to get some sort of personal gratification out of fear-mongering. We have always had threats to deal with and we will have threats in the future to address and conquer ….. get over it!!!! This is life. We live and we die (yes - we die - there is no way to avoid it). I think living in fear with a huge dark cloud over your head and forcing your dark cloud on others is so much more detrimental to society than Covid ever was…..

I pray people get up this morning and be thankful for what they have and what they have had….. focus on the beauty that we can enjoy each day - cherish the memories of days that have passed.

Washington State legalized marijuana many years ago. It's the pot.......

So...What do you think of this study from Japan. Granted it covers the vaccine... however...would this apply also to the long term issues with the virus with sleen, liver, etc retaining the spike protein? https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf