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Swoop 07-16-2021 03:27 PM

NY Yankees get Covid again
 
Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

JMintzer 07-16-2021 03:37 PM

Something has got to be screwy with the testing...

GrumpyOldMan 07-16-2021 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1974145)
Something has got to be screwy with the testing...

I hope so. There are sporadic reports that the delta variant is breaking through the vaccinations. I hope not... sigh.

Packer Fan 07-16-2021 04:43 PM

WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees

GrumpyOldMan 07-16-2021 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Packer Fan (Post 1974161)
WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees

Thank you, I didn't realize I don't matter. Good to know.

I care, I care about people dying preventable deaths.

Swoop 07-16-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Packer Fan (Post 1974161)
WHO CARES? If they are not vaccinated they have made their choice. Nobody cares anymore. Ignore the media, they are just trying to scare you. On top of that, it is the Yankees so nobody who matters cares anyway. Everyone hates the Yankees

A total of 14 positive cases among the players and staff and 13 were vaccinated!

drducat 07-16-2021 06:01 PM

Non sterilizing vaccines....Vaccines Need Not Completely Stop COVID Transmission to Curb the Pandemic - Scientific American Quote "Although many vaccines widely used today (against measles, for example) produce very effective sterilizing immunity, others, such as the hepatitis B vaccine, do not. With these vaccines, an individual’s immune system is trained to prevent illness, yet the pathogen can persist in that person’s body, potentially allowing them to infect others. A lack of sterilizing immunity means that the pathogen can continue to circulate in a population, where it may cause illness in unvaccinated and vulnerable people or evolve to evade our immune responses, Bowdish explains."

Vaccinated will carry the virus and can spread it along with causing variants such as Delta

blueash 07-16-2021 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974189)
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Vaccinated will carry the virus and can spread it along with causing variants such as Delta

This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.

Swoop 07-16-2021 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1974201)
This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.

Simple question. If owners are paying baseball players millions of dollars to play, and if they can’t pass on the virus because they’ve been vaccinated, then why are they being quarantined?

drducat 07-16-2021 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1974201)
This is wildly wrong and irresponsible. It is the UNvaccinated population that is responsible for the major upswing in new cases, more deaths, and increasing the risk of new mutations. Yes, vaccinated people can "carry" the virus, and vaccinated people can get sick with it, and die from it. But 99% of the deaths are in unvaccinated people. No vaccine is 100% effective. The Covid vaccines are damn good and those who are refusing to get them, and those who cheer at political events in support of vaccine refusers are responsible for this mess starting up again. There is a big difference between freedom and freedumb. And the difference is killing people, again.

Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims | Daily Mail Online

UK uses the same jab we are and hate to inform you but...Non sterilizing vaccines have limits and the person that receives will still carry the virus and give to others...also mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...a little research will show that this is proven science and known for many years...not sure why the CDC is not up front on this...hmm

blueash 07-16-2021 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974208)
Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims | Daily Mail Online

UK uses the same jab we are and hate to inform you but...Non sterilizing vaccines have limits and the person that receives will still carry the virus and give to others...also mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...a little research will show that this is proven science and known for many years...not sure why the CDC is not up front on this...hmm

I hate to inform you but you are still 100% wrong. What kind of doctor are you given your user name? Because you certainly do not understand immunology or medical statistics nor even display the honesty to report what your own link actually reports.

It says that in the UK they include persons as being immunized who have had only a single dose. And the article very clearly and carefully explains how those with a single dose are less protected against the disease compared to those who have had both doses.
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Infections are rising fastest among young Britons — many of whom have only received one dose. But the ZOE app counts these people as 'vaccinated' even though they are not yet fully protected by two doses. A second dose of all vaccines has been shown to be much more effective than a first dose against the Indian 'Delta' variant.
Your statement
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so mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...a little research will show that this is proven science and known for many years...
is complete garbage. A virus is not "trying to avoid the immune response" It is not thinking and sneaking around inside you. The greater number of viral particles present, the more likely one will mutate. Period. So if a person is immunized even if they are infected they will have fewer viral particles, thus a lower chance that one mutates. This has been known for years. The CDC is not lying to us, you are.

Your statement that vaccinated people are the cause of mutations and the ongoing and increasing Covid pandemic is simply wrong and reflects what I strongly suspect is an anti-vaccine ignorance on your part. Your lies have consequences if even one person decides not to get immunized because of the garbage you are writing.

JMintzer 07-16-2021 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974179)
A total of 14 positive cases among the players and staff and 13 were vaccinated!

Why let facts get in the way of a good rant? :icon_wink:

GrumpyOldMan 07-16-2021 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1974208)
Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims | Daily Mail Online

also mutations occur trying to avoid the immune response from the vaccine and not as quickly from a unvaccinated person...

CDC is not up front because that is not true. Please provide some peer reviewed study link that makes that claim.

GrumpyOldMan 07-16-2021 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1974224)
I hate to inform you but you are still 100% wrong. What kind of doctor are you given your user name? Because you certainly do not understand immunology or medical statistics nor even display the honesty to report what your own link actually reports.

It says that in the UK they include persons as being immunized who have had only a single dose. And the article very clearly and carefully explains how those with a single dose are less protected against the disease compared to those who have had both doses.


Your statement is complete garbage. A virus is not "trying to avoid the immune response" It is not thinking and sneaking around inside you. The greater number of viral particles present, the more likely one will mutate. Period. So if a person is immunized even if they are infected they will have fewer viral particles, thus a lower chance that one mutates. This has been known for years. The CDC is not lying to us, you are.

Your statement that vaccinated people are the cause of mutations and the ongoing and increasing Covid pandemic is simply wrong and reflects what I strongly suspect is an anti-vaccine ignorance on your part. Your lies have consequences if even one person decides not to get immunized because of the garbage you are writing.

When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.

scottiesrgreat@gmail.com 07-17-2021 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974142)
Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

So what?!

My mom - just died - do you care what she died of? I recently read a book about a family who was murdered. Last night I listened to a podcast about a town hit by a natural disaster where hundreds died.

I could go on and on……. put it this way - I pray my mom would have been simply impacted with Covid (the odds of her survival would have been astronomically greater)….. I am sure that family I read about - would have volunteered to have Covid rather than encountering an evil human being ——— you get the picture - right?

Just be happy for this team - that the worse obstacle they have to overcome is Covid…… it could be a h*ll of a lot worse.

We *ALL* face challenges in life - unfortunately some people face worse challenges than others…… life is not fair. Believe me - there are probably millions++ of people who would trade their situation for a Covid positive - I know I would!!!! in a heartbeat!

I wish people would put things in perspective….

drducat 07-17-2021 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1974228)
When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.

As far as if someone should take a vaccine or not is entirely a personal decision and the media should stay out of it. Stick with the studies already done. I never watch news...ever....links are un avoidably going to some news articles.

This kind of hypothesis is what I am talking about..has nothing to do with covid jabs and from 2015. Proof is yet to come....who really knows?

Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens




Such as this one.

ithos 07-17-2021 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan View Post
When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.
What you are advocating is fascism. Who will be the arbiter of what is true and what is false? The government?

Sometimes they are the biggest liars. They lied about the origin of the virus, hydroxychloroquine, school closures and so much more.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree all the time. I want to be exposed to all arguments so I can decide what is in my best interest.

WesMan 07-17-2021 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974142)
Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!

Swoop 07-17-2021 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WesMan (Post 1974271)
Tell them to get the shots!!!!! Over paid brats!!

Do you have a reading comprehension issue? They had been vaccinated!

Mac1996 07-17-2021 06:45 AM

The communist regime that the United States has been in bed with for the last 50 years are the ones we need to be going after!O yeah it’s called China!

scottiesrgreat@gmail.com 07-17-2021 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974280)
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? They had been vaccinated!

Really - this is big, old horrible news?

Ask people who are losing family and friends each and every day from a myriad of threats so much more worse than testing positive for Covid - I know many suffering right now who would switch places with these ball players and with people like you who think testing covid positive is the worse thing that can happen to anyone, sorry - it is not.

Goodness - you are one extremely fortunate individual - if the threat of covid is the biggest priority and fear you have in life. You are EXTREMELY fortunate.

Dana1963 07-17-2021 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974142)
Just a few months ago eight members of the Yankees organization tested positive for Covid. Now six more players on the 25 man active roster have tested positive. Five of them had been vaccinated…

Florida reported 16,730 new cases July 16. As many will say SO WHAT.

scottiesrgreat@gmail.com 07-17-2021 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1974314)
Florida reported 16,730 new cases July 16. As many will say SO WHAT.

Yes - so what!

Family and friends have died of other threats - no one cares or obsesses about it. I sound like a broken record - but, my goodness - pick up the paper - everyone who has died - car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, stroke, birth defects, abuse, domestic violence, neglect, ……. would switch places with one of those 16,730! In a heartbeat!

Put things in perspective.

Swoop 07-17-2021 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1974312)
Really - this is big, old horrible news?

Ask people who are losing family and friends each and every day from a myriad of threats so much more worse than testing positive for Covid - I know many suffering right now who would switch places with these ball players and with people like you who think testing covid positive is the worse thing that can happen to anyone, sorry - it is not.

Goodness - you are one extremely fortunate individual - if the threat of covid is the biggest priority and fear you have in life. You are EXTREMELY fortunate.

I do not fear Covid. I chose not to get a vaccine that hasn’t undergone any long term testing. For me, the statistical odds of dying from Covid, given my health are 4/100’s of 1%.
I simply used the incident with the Yankees to show that the number brake out cases among vaccinated people may be much higher than we were led to believe.

Bay Kid 07-17-2021 07:12 AM

Do people still watch baseball?

Petersweeney 07-17-2021 07:19 AM

Pickle ball anyone?

merrymini 07-17-2021 07:19 AM

I am not vaccinated.
You can have my shot to donate to anyone you wish.
Getting or not getting the shot is my business, not yours.
Many vaccinated people get covid but that does not fit the narrative so, sssshhh.
Anyone who would believe the garbage coming from the government should have their head examined.

fpmoravcik 07-17-2021 07:21 AM

Do they still get $13K for each positive, even i they have been vaccinated? Cha Ching

GrumpyOldMan 07-17-2021 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1974269)
What you are advocating is fascism. Who will be the arbiter of what is true and what is false? The government?

Sometimes they are the biggest liars. They lied about the origin of the virus, hydroxychloroquine, school closures and so much more.

Scientists and medical professionals disagree all the time. I want to be exposed to all arguments so I can decide what is in my best interest.

Sorry, no it is NOT fascism, it is the legal system. We already do this in other cases. A person can be charged for yelling fire in a theater.

Who will be the arbiter, the jury - American citizens. Not the government, which would be Fascism.

GrumpyOldMan 07-17-2021 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com (Post 1974327)
Yes - so what!

Family and friends have died of other threats - no one cares or obsesses about it. I sound like a broken record - but, my goodness - pick up the paper - everyone who has died - car accidents, suicide, cancer, heart attack, stroke, birth defects, abuse, domestic violence, neglect, ……. would switch places with one of those 16,730! In a heartbeat!

Put things in perspective.

None of the other causes of death you listed are contagious. My dying of any of those will not increase your chances of dying of them if we had been in contact. That is the perpeective.

Gizemo33 07-17-2021 08:45 AM

So what is your point??

Gizemo33 07-17-2021 08:51 AM

Misinformation!!!!
Not true
Not factual
Fact-check before posting
Read the CDC daily medical articles

OhioBuckeye 07-17-2021 08:54 AM

Ohiobuckeye
 
Look at who they have for a mayor, does it not surprise you!

GATORBILL66 07-17-2021 09:01 AM

Again who cares....damn yankees.

Pat2015 07-17-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1974228)
When media or influencers spread disinformation that can result in people losing their lives, I would like to see the AG begin investigations into these companies or individuals. And if it can be proven that the spreader KNEW it was false, then the AG should press charges amounting 1st degree murder.

Freedom of Speech does not extend to putting peoples lives in danger.

Maybe if a few people are held legally responsbile for the deaths they cause, others will start to think twice. At this point, spreading inflammatory disinformation has no consequences except to enrich the people spreading the lies.

Notice please, that I did not say which side is spreading the lies. If there is a lie being spread I don't care if it is FOX or CNN. If they know it is a lie, and it it puts peoples lives in danger, they should be prosecuted.

Spreading lies, disinformation, and murder charges? 😮 You do realize that what is deemed to be misinformation today might be proven factual tomorrow? Also, who decides what is disinformation or what studies and/or opinions everyone should follow? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and this isn’t a communist country where the government or a private company decides what they want you to believe in, and other opinions are censored with threats of charges and imprisonment. Is this America or China???

GrumpyOldMan 07-17-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1974441)
Spreading lies, disinformation, and murder charges? 😮 You do realize that what is deemed to be misinformation today might be proven factual tomorrow? Also, who decides what is disinformation or what studies and/or opinions everyone should follow? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and this isn’t a communist country where the government or a private company decides what they want you to believe in, and other opinions are censored with threats of charges and imprisonment. Is this America or China???

At NO point did I suggest that the government decide. I said, charge them with the crime of intentionally spreading false information that is known to result in people dying.

The charge is the key phrase, then have a trial and let the jury decide if there is sufficient evidence that they intentionally spread information that resulted in deaths.

That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent.

I have to ask, why are you so opposed to charging people with the crime of yelling fire in a theater?

Pat2015 07-17-2021 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1974447)
At NO point did I suggest that the government decide. I said, charge them with the crime of intentionally spreading false information that is known to result in people dying.

The charge is the key phrase, then have a trial and let the jury decide if there is sufficient evidence that they intentionally spread information that resulted in deaths.

That IS American, innocent until PROVEN innocent.

I have to ask, why are you so opposed to charging people with the crime of yelling fire in a theater?

Who decides what is disinformation???? Charging people with crimes because they voiced their opinion or choose to believe in studies that the government or some other entity disagrees with? 😮 What exactly is the charge? You do realize that it is the government that charges people, right? Yelling fire in a crowded theater isn’t the same as voicing an opinion that you might not agree with, and you want to charge people that don’t agree with you? God help us all if something like this ever came to pass as this America not China!

butlerism 07-17-2021 10:14 AM

Ditto.
I stopped watching MLB years ago, nowadays not worth it.
Look at the All Star Game.
All nonsense.

Want to have more fun, go watch the High School teams. Gets you out.
Even better go watch the Little Leaguers. All these pint sized "pro ball players".

You will have a great giggle

MrFlorida 07-17-2021 12:14 PM

Maybe they share the soap in the shower.

jimjamuser 07-17-2021 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1974179)
A total of 14 positive cases among the players and staff and 13 were vaccinated!

O.K. 13 out of 14 that tested positive were vaccinated. What are the CORRECT conclusions to be taken from those facts? (1) The one person that did NOT get the vaccine was NOT too bright. He faces possible hospitalization and death and the other 13 do NOT. They face ONLY mild symptoms. They will be asymptomatic carriers and COULD (?) carry CV back to their families.

(2) The "COULD carry back" comes into play because the ONE unvaccinated individual and the 13 vaccinated players will have vastly different amounts of antibodies built up. The 13 vaccinated players will have much greater antibodies to defend against the VIRUS. If the ONE unvaccinated player avoids the hospital in the future he can still get another - possibly even worse bout of CV. My CONCLUSION is that all the factors of risk versus reward point in favor of getting the vaccine. NOT getting the vaccine puts fellow citizens and family in DANGER of being exposed to potentially risker and risker variants of CV. Why risk the future - yours and the nations?


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