CDC release on breakthrough infections
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...-c6bc8426f688/

a few excerpts:

Important to update communications describing breakthrough cases as
“rare” or as a “small percentage” of cases

Increasing percentage of vaccinated persons
among those hospitalized in COVID-NET

▪ Delta is different from previous strains
– Highly contagious
– Likely more severe
– Breakthrough infections may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases
▪ Vaccines prevent >90% of severe disease, but may be less effective at preventing
infection or transmission
– Therefore, more breakthrough and more community spread despite
vaccination
▪ NPIs are essential to prevent continued spread with current vaccine coverage

cue all the CDC and Fauci hating replies. no matter what the facts, many choose not to believe them. people fail to understand that a virus changes....so what was said a month ago may not be the same as today. the only way to get rid of it is to stop providing hosts.

Which means.................

Yet another virus thread, where the same people can say the sames things over and over again.

CDC Breakthrough Data
 

Out of approximately 161 million vaccinated individuals in the US only 5900+ breakthrough cases. That’s .0037%. Only 19% of those died. That’s roughly 1200 people out of 161,000,000 vaccinated.
This pandemic surge is the unvaccinated’s problem. Let it burn through the unvaccinated population. If you’re vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than having a breakthrough case.
No mask needed.

if I have to explain it, it's probably futile. It means get vaccinated and/or wear a mask. once the virus can not find more people to infect, it will subside. like chicken pox, measles, etc.

This is outdated info that the CDC acknowledged was inaccurate even before they stopped counting breakthrough cases & instead tallying hospitalizations and deaths among the vaccinated.
These are just flat out false. You really should read through the CDC's info in the link provided by the OP.

The scientific method, taught to me years ago, went like this;

Define the problem.

Gather facts on the problem.

Come to a trial conclusion.

Check the trial conclusion.

I am NOT a scientist, nor am I greatly educated, but I loved all the sciences taught to me in the Columbus Public Schools in the fifties; Botany, Zoology, Biology, Advanced Biology, (Didn't LOVE Chemistry) but passed it. I think it was a very good basis for other learnings in life. I also still really see the obvious truth in Darwin's Theory of Evolution and selective breeding. I wish that I understood Genetics better, because I truly think that the future of medicine rests on it.

Interesting, you left off the part about scientists around the world working their entire lives in a field to become proficient in that field so they could lie to the American people.

( Sarcasm )

The assertion that this is some sort of political stunt is laughable. Our government is not the only one on earth sounding the alarm

Here is a well written article about Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world, and it includes links to actual studies they are doing. Israel is reimposing indoor mask guidelines.

Attachment 90255

COVID-19 Case Data in Israel: A Troubling Trend?

Since you thought your post was so profound that you needed to repeat it on multiple threads, I'll be happy to repeat the response:

Not a political "stunt" by any means. I suggested that the data can be presented in such a way as to bias the public toward a desired political agenda, or not. Let's see. Please read carefully, I admit that I sometimes write in such a way that not all can understand.

Futile.....based a wrong conclusion.
I do not make assumptions.....also no reading between the lines....and no comprehension of oblique messages......hence say what is meant to be sure there are no errors in understanding!!!

This is to be taken seriously as I know a fully vaccinated lady 67 who passed 2 days ago from covid However, I don’t understand how our citizens must wear mask and be vaccinated, while many, many people from countries around the world are coming into our country at the Mexican border that are not vaccinated or have no mask. Seems like nobody cares about this at all. They are not taking this seriously. Seems crazy to say come on in just the way you are but try to make an unvaccinated person that is a citizen of the U.S. be under a different standard. The problem will never be solved if millions of unvaccinated come into our country. Totally crazy!

We used to call this natural immunity....

so here is my original that you find so oblique. cue all the CDC and Fauci hating replies. no matter what the facts, many choose not to believe them. people fail to understand that a virus changes....so what was said a month ago may not be the same as today. the only way to get rid of it is to stop providing hosts.

I point out there will be many replies expressing hatred of Fauci and CDC. which happened. many replies indicate that there are some people who won't believe the facts. check. viruses mutate all the time and the only way to ultimately stop it is to starve it of hosts.

I still fail to see what is confusing or oblique about that. but ok, I'll let you get the last word. fire away.

Only 5900 hospitalized … so far… and increasing. As in Star Wars, “May the Force be with you.”

Florida 17,589 cases July 29/21 NYT

To continue would be....futile.
The End!:)

Am I the only one who finds this data a bit too perfect and hard to believe?

- The table shows 779 cases but both the JHU and WaPo sites show over 1400 cases (unfortunately, I cannot read the three sites provided in the article)

- The data is too perfect. Every group, with the exception of the 90+ group, is within 3% points. I would have to dig out some old college texts to figure the probability of that happening randomly.

- If the data is true, then the vaccine is doing absolutely nothing to slow infections. It was never said to be 100% effective, but absolutely 0?

- This data is not consistent with the (limited) data that has been presented from other countries. Only in Israel are the breakthrough cases in proportion to the number of people vaccinated.

Something is going on but the cleanliness of this data and the contrast with any other data set makes me skeptical.

So, posts here constantly complain that no one agrees on any of the data, and now you complain that there is too much agreement. Okay....

Oh, no, not AGAIN:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Agree that I have nothing to worry about because I'm vaccinated. I truly do believe that.

Agree I have extremely little chance of having a breakthrough case. I truly do believe that.

Agree. I do not need to mask up anywhere. I truly do believe that because anyone who is either not vaccinated for what ever their reason is, THEY can protect themselves with an N95 or equivalent mask when in public indoor spaces. Don't expect me to mask up forever to protect them.

Disagree that this pandemic surge is the un-vaccinated's problem. I truly believe this pandemic is everyone's problem for one reason and one reason only. The possibility of a variant that evades our current vaccines is very concerning. I can not even wrap my head around the logistics of what that could possibly mean for us.

We need more people to get themselves vaccinated to lessen the amount of hosts this virus need to perpetuate this pandemic. We certainly do not need to deal with any more variants, especially a variant that totally evades our vaccines.

Chicken pox and measles vaccines have kept these diseases at bay, nearly wiping them out. Yes, VACCINES. So glad people of previous generations did not snub vaccines the way our current generations do.

Breakthrough Cases
 

On July 19th CDC reported that out of approximately 161 million vaccinated individuals in the US only 5900+ breakthrough cases reported. That’s .0037%. Only 19% of those died. That’s roughly 1200 people out of 161,000,000 vaccinated.
This pandemic surge is the unvaccinated’s problem. Let it burn through the unvaccinated population. If you’re vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than having a breakthrough case.
No mask needed

Why chit-chat about everyday things when there IS a REAL threat to US National Health and ultimately welfare and even national Defense looming over us today? Is that the "head in the sand" defense? I imagine that Russia and China just might be looking for US weaknesses!

The CDC must believe that the Delta CV would "burn through" the UNvaccinated QUICKER and be more Deadly if they did NOT advise vaccinated AND UNvaccinated people to wear masks at crowded indoor gatherings. The CDC, apparently, believes that UNvaccinated people can be good people and productive citizens. The CDC must protect ALL citizens from the possible trauma caused to them when hospitals become FULL. The CDC is protecting ALL Americans against higher insurance costs and bankruptcy-closed hospitals from the VERY long and expensive stays of CV patients. The CDC is protecting Americans against problems caused by long-haul CV complications. Citizen protection is the goal of the CDC and more broadly ANY nation's democratic Government.

Does anyone else find it strange that the CDC has no problem reporting the number of new Covid cases, but has given up reporting the number of breakthrough cases…

I agree! And the pressure for migration from the south is ALL around the globe. It is caused by Global Warming. Both migration pressure and warming will increase for the foreseeable future. The US is especially vulnerable because of our freedom-loving form of government, wealth, and just being too "NICE" for our own good.

Global warming???? OMG, what a joke!!!!
What do you think---they come here because we have better air conditioners?????

Maybe, just maybe it's all the "free stuff" we hand them
Maybe, just maybe it's because it is far better to be "poor" here than where they come from.

Meanwhile , some people who do not understand science or paleoclimatology continue to buy into this giant (and very expensive) hoax of global warming that certain segments want to shove down our throats.

Productive Members of Society or Not
 

If you don’t want to get sick get vaccinated! If you don’t want to get vaccinated, get sick. It’s as simple as that.

If the unvaccinated do not care about their own health or the health of others who are unvaccinated stay out of the way of those who got the vaccine.

If you are afraid just stay home. We can no lo trust what our Government tells us .. Those days are long gone!

Get vaccinated!

.0037% Basically zero percent.
1194 deaths in breakthrough cases out of 161 million vaccinated people = .00071%.
How close to zero do you need??

So it’s growing. It’s gonna take a lot of growing before it’s a significant number.
It’s GOT to burn through the unvaccinated population before it dies down. You can’t force those people to get vaccinated or you’re going to have a much larger problem than COVID-19 on your hands. The American people will not be tolerant of that.

CDC recently updated estimated infection fatality rates for COVID. Here are the updated survival rates by age group:

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%

I’m not going to live in fear. It’s absolutely ridiculous. Let the unvaccinated make their choice.
If you’re vaccinated you have nothing to fear, but fear itself!
Hey! I’ve heard that somewhere before! 😎

COVID-19 Is Not Going Away!
 

Thanks, but the virus is with us forever now. Just like Influenza & The Common Cold. It’s NOT going away. It will mutate until some medical miracle comes along & totally eradicated it. Corona viruses are programmed to mutate to survive. Just pray that the next virus that comes along isn’t more deadly. COVID-19 is nothing compared to what could be.
THAT’S what you need to fear.

Like the two prior Covid viruses, MERS & SARS…
Do a little research before presenting your “feelings” as facts…

You prove my point!
 

Those are still with us!

COVID-19 is SARS
 

COVID-19 is actually SARS-CoV-2

Sheep will be sheep
 

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documen...ly-30-2021.pdf

Facts are facts... One could get upset with all the vaccinated spreading the virus. I personally don't care but if you think it's an unvaccinated spread well maybe you should think again. :ohdear:

Again, do a little research. There hasn’t been a case of SARS since 2004…

It’s Still Out There Old Buddy!
 

It’s still lurking 👀.
2012
October 5: The National Select Agent Registry Program declared SARS-coronavirus a select agent. A select agent is a bacterium, virus or toxin that has the potential to pose a severe threat to public health and safety.

Unvaccinated
 

We’re going to see clusters like that, but how many hospitalizations or fatalities came from that event?