Covid survivors greater immunity than fully vaccinated to Delta variant
 

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.
Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.

With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection? - Israel National News

Here in the USA, latest data I have seen shows that 150 million adults are fully vaccinated, which of course goes up every day.

What about the number of covid survivors? There are about 36 million confirmed cases, but the CDC estimates the actual number at 4 times that, in May 2021 they put the number at 120 million Americans that have had covid (symptomatics, asymptomatics, never tested etc) Currently the number would be 144 million using CDC formula.

Estimated COVID-19 Burden | CDC

I see some crazy profiling going on here, such as "that creepy pick up driver with the flags for sure is not vaccinated" It's ridiculous and ugly to attempt vaccine profiling, truth is you don't have a clue who has been fully vaccinated and who has immunity via surviving covid.

Maybe the millions of covid survivors with their superior immunity to Delta will start shaming and discriminating against the vaccinated. Sorry, covid survivors only on this cruise, or in this restaurant etc etc. According to the data from Israel, they have better protection than you do.

I don't understand your point, are you saying it is better to just catch the virus and survive? Kind of like people having COVID parties and crossing their fingers?

Thank you for getting my word out again. Seems I've hit some nerves with that one. I would still bet money on that guy not being vaccinated. That post was to refer to extremists and you CANNOT tell me they are in the vaccine camp. Sorry. Don't buy it.

That is exactly how I took it. Doesn't make sense to play Russian Roulette. Does it?

Depends. If you are an overweight geezer with diabetes/heart disease or several other comorbidites, definitely get the vaccine. If I was young and healthy, I would definitely get an antibody test to see if I already had covid. If yes why get vaccine when you have better protection against Delta etc.

The main point was to ridicule vaccine profiling and shaming, since there are over 140 million that have natural immunity that appears to be stronger. Boomers are quite self centered and should check their privilege, not everyone is scared ****less by this virus and they are not responsible for your health.

LOL Since you profiled this guy as an anti vaxxer, he's probably an anti masker too and probably has already had covid and now has better immunity than you do. :MOJE_whot:

It's only Russian Roulette for older age groups, young and healthy people die from flu, pneumonia etc in much greater numbers than covid causes.

I know it's hard, but maybe you can step out of your shoes and see things from another perspective.

And the 140M number came from where?

Better to be scared ****less and get vaccinated, there is no coming back from “I wish I had.”

There are several idiots on the board selling snake oil and confirmation bias - choose carefully who you take medical advice from.

See the link from the CDC in the OP? Read it.

Most probably true. LOL.

I will pit my immunity against anyone who has had Covid. My immune system gave me a very robust response with my second Moderna shot. I have the immune system of a youngin'.

All I know is it is so disheartening to see young folks on my television pleading for the vaccine as they lie in a hospital bed and cannot breath and are about to be put on a vent. I've seen and read about too many young people dying of this disease, certainly not in the numbers of seniors but still too many young folks are dying. I don't know why anyone, young or old, would take that chance.

You had me until the very end. Yes, everyone is responsible for their action or inaction in a pandemic - worldwide. I really am growing tired of this "I don't need to do it, I am safe".

Whatever, do what you are going to. I am tired of all this nonsense. Polio is gone, smallpox is gone, maybe COVID will kill us all, or just magically disappear. Have fun arguing everyone. I am out of vaccine discussions.

BTW, I and my wife are fully vaccinated, for 5 months now. Our PCPs recommended and today we were tested for COVID because of recent systems.

A big thank you goes out to all the self-righteous people that are covering their own A$$ and not getting vaccinated.

Goodbye....and you're welcome

If you want to play the Covid Party game, you should definitely go to Sturgis. You have the best chance of actually contracting it there than anywhere else these days.

Yeah...just like last year..

Fact check: Sturgis Rally's COVID-19 cases misstated by online post

I heard of the outbreak in the Martha’s Vineyard area. The great doctor barely mentioned the people crowded under the birthday tent. It works for everybody!

My doctor told me that about my prostate also

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I whole heartedly agree. Everyone needs to step up and do their part during this pandemic whether it be masking, social distancing and of course, getting vaccinated. This war against the virus must be a group effort and those who are riding on the coat tails of those who have stepped up for the vaccine are not doing their part.

I will miss you and your very grounded POV in these vaccine discussions. Wish you wouldn't go.

I wouldn't be so quick to compare the original strain with this Delta variant that is circulating now. There doesn't seem to be a slowing down of Delta yet so there is a good chance this Sturgis ralley will be a really nice super spreader event. Only time will tell. I'm waiting patiently for this Delta variant to peter out just like it did in the UK and India but so far, it hasn't happened here.

Could not have said it better myself! My good friend from CA was super healthy, worked out regularly, died of covid….. he was 46. This was before the vaccine. But I have brothers in their 40’s who also are anti-vaxxers (covid only) and they aren’t the brightest bulbs in the lamp, if you know what I’m saying. But alas, they did finally get the vaccine.

If you are out of the discussions then take your little message off the bottom of your posts.

This is an apples vs oranges comparison. I saw no conclusions to draw. Interesting report to vet though.

The COVID survivors are just that, survivors. How many died while the survivors were being treated or recovered? The survivors toughed it out and likely did not have serious pre-existing conditions. Those of us who scrutinized the vaccines and choose to be vaccinated do not expect to die from the virus. We can still become infected and positive, but expect to have a milder case and not see a hospital or a ventilator.

Our children are medical professionals and have been over worked during the surges. They saw what dying patients went through and are urging, no screaming at us to get vaccinated or measure antibodies and stay out of hospitals.

The delta variant is 9x more contagious than the original virus and just as deadly. Choose your path.

Another rude self righteous A$$. Grumpy Old Man is one of the reasons I read TOTV everyday before work. It makes me feel a little better that we still have some common sense left.

First....Are you vaccinated or not? Yes or No.
Second...If the answer is no and you are so sure of as you put it your "superior immunity to Delta" why don't you go down to the COVID ward of any hospital and volunteer your services!!! :welcome:

US Study- those with only natural immunity 2.3 times MORE likely to be re-infected
 

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021 | MMWR

You do know you are desperately trying to compare President Obama's 3 hour outdoor birthday party where 200 people attended who were 100% vaccinated.....to a one week biker rally attended by close to 600,000 who crowd into bars every night? FYI we see what you are doing......:1rotfl:

“ Whatever doesn't kill you, mutates and tries again - get the damn shots”

While I totally agree with what you stated, Nietzsche may not like your change in his original quote. Lol

The foreign study seems to be applicable to that particular country. The CDC here in this country studied the same thing and found that people who had Covid are twice as likely to be reinfected with the variant than those who were vaccinated. The severity of the original infection is what governs how long the immunity lasts and apart from checking your blood frequently for antibiotics that is not measurable. Get the vaccine and protect your family. I know someone on a ventilator today that thought he did not need the vaccine.

That’s because the study in the US was pre Delta…
Pre Delta there were almost no breakthrough cases. Now breakthrough cases in the US are very common.

Google Dr Dan Stock for the documented truth on the virus, vaccine and masks.

Why should a covid survivor who has greater immunity than you do get the vaccine? I thought we were following the "science"

To make you feel better and safer? I hate to burst your bubble but covid is not going away. It's going to be endemic just like the flu, and new variants will probably require booster shots every year. It will probably become less deadly over time, and maybe in a few hundred years it will become similar to other coronaviruses and cause common colds.

Even if every man woman and child in USA were vaccinated, vaccine resistant variants like Delta will develop in other parts of the world and in this modern world, slip back into America.

Correct. Thanks for helping spread current info.

Shame on you!
 

And you actually seem proud of yourself for this - enough to say it again! Shame on you! How sad!

Young unvaccinated are dying and or sick. Without comorbities.
Vaccinated with comorbities are getting sick after being exposed. Say thanks to the unvaccinated.

So now we’re supposed to rely on statistics gathered in Israel rather than our respected CDC and virtually all U.S. doctors and hospitals currently dealing with the current out-of-control COVID wave?

What point are you trying to make? I hope you’re not trying to convince people not to get vaccinated.

Bingo.

I had COVID late last fall. No big deal--a few days of feeling puny but the rest of the time just irritated at sitting around the house. I had the vaccine too; this past May in fact. Not so much because I had this desperate fear of the dread bug but because my family lives in Minnesota and nobody knows from day to day just what new dicta that the moonbats who are running that state might hand down; there was some idle talk (thankfully that was all it was) that MSP might be quarantining incoming passengers who were not vaccinated and I figured a couple of needle sticks was a small price to pay to avoid that. That was the route I chose to take.

That's what important here. I had the right to choose my course of action and I did it according to what I believed to be my best interests. But those interests are not the business of anyone EXCEPT myself. I fully accept that people have the same right to make their choices of action, independent of what anyone else thinks. I do NOT have the right to demand that anyone else takes a course of action based on my fear.

My liberty does not stop where someone else's fear begins.

Please provide the data showing what the actual rise in young, unvaccinated people dying is. Actual data, not fear mongering TV or newspaper reports designed to increase viewership…

Delta is not vaccine resistant. It is not the vaccinated who are hospitalized and dying.

Israel experienced Delta wave before USA and they are one of the most vaccinated countries on earth, so their data gives us a preview of what will happen here. Their Health Ministry and medical expertise are well respected throughout the globe.

Instead of parroting the panic you see in the media, why not go to "our respected CDC" and look at the actual numbers. As you can see, we are nowhere near the hospitalization rates we saw in January.

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COVID-19 Hospitalizations