Will Elon Musk finally be convicted of a lifetime of fraud?
 

Wow...Elon Musk should just plead the 5th and stop incriminating himself.

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I hope so, anyone who believes anything out of his mouth is an idiot, and he is a total narcissisic sociopath, with so much money that he can buy off, intimidate or bully plaintiff issues. . . .

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yesterday, tesla drove into a pile of kids on the sidewalk in the UK
never tesla's fault. . .

however, em has enough money to manipulate the stock through options by exploiting the market maker's delta hedging strategy, such that yesterday, $17M of Sept call options, 700 strike were bought, which is not mom and pop and not most hedge or mutual funds. . . preying on a gamma squeeze next week. . .

don't play the stock either way unless very sophisticated, I have lost over 20K shorting that POS stonk

Electrics actually have less fires per mile driven than gas cars but the fires, when they do occur, are more difficult to put out. GM has a recall on their Bolt electric.

The Tesla accidents that have occurred with Autopilot engaged have been due to the driver failing to pay attention. Autopilot requires that you keep your hands on the wheel and pay attention. It is not fully autonomous driving, it is not promoted as fully autonomous driving, and drivers must still be ready to take control of the car at any time. Accidents have occurred when drivers misused the system. That is not Tesla's fault.

He is very hard to like to be sure, but I have no problem he is wealthy. AND he is quite a bit out there...by his own admission he is autistic, but that is not a choice. I find him not at likeable...........but what are we to do with people who are born "different" and brilliant and odd. This really is a problem, because every last man jack of us has an odd bit or two.

It's personal then?:icon_wink:

Not a fan.

But financially successful people rarely color within the lines.

a lifetime of fraud?

Looks like no one on here likes Musk or Tesla…. On real opinion here. Who can say that they have achieved more than him?

I can, but I assume your scale is only money. Sad.

well I don't think he's a fraud. he seems more like a genius. John DeLorean was a fraud. let's keep this in perspective

Maybe a Martian Court will find him guilty. 😉

Lol!
 

um, not into finance at all eh? not into historical fact checking as well, eh?

I have locations which I can pull sample after sample of his crap, and if you want to read the legal briefs after the currently in progress trial, you will see he is full of truth twisting lies. . .

but continue to believe, its your perogative

With all the mess that’s going on, why concentrate on Elon People are frustrated about everything, let’s take a deep breath and be thankful, make a long list of all your thankful for.

1. Present your evidence that he's lived a "lifetime of fraud" . I see Tesla cars everywhere now. Hardly seems like a fraud, the way the DeLorean was (go read the history - JDL raided the funds provided to him by investors and the British Govt and only managed to ship a fraction (less than 7,000) of the promised vehicles, which were replete with quality problems.)
2. If you don't like his products, don't by them

Pretty simple without resorting to insults isn't it?

I hardly think I insulted you, but as far as fraud goes,

Promoting, selling and taking deposits for multiple years on products which don't exist, and haven't existed is fraud.

Booking warranty and repair expenses to good will is fraudulent accounting

Seeing cars is not the fraud, convincing NY to build him a factory which he never used is fraud.

etc. . .

Having lived in WNY I had a first hand look at true fraud from Governor Cuomo. He invested almost 1 billion dollars into the Solar City facility that is limping along. Panasonic has already separated themselves from this mess. COVID may have saved TESLA from paying millions in fines for not reaching hiring goals.

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#1 I couldn't care less about NY. They stupid things routinely. it's why people are fleeing. i live in florida, so I couldn't care less.

#2 Again, I suggest you don't buy his products if you don't like him.

#3 untwist your panties. Life is short.

Elon Musk might be the ultimate huckster, but he is trying to develop a product that is not on the road as yet and there are a lot of other big companies trying to hit the same target. There are going to be a lot of accidents before this comes fully to market. In the 19th century when the auto was at it's birth, flag men were required to walk in front of the cars for safety. Nothing comes easy.

I don't see how the man is a fraud. I see Tesla cars everywhere and their ratings are top notch. Tesla has thrived but notice how you no longer see the Chevy Volt or the Nissan Leaf?

there's a reason. He created a seriously great car, by all accounts.

Driverless cars? I think this will be common not far into the future, but for now, it's a speculative and developing technology. I certainly am not the test pilot type

John DeLorean had bad luck and someone was out to get him he was not a sfraud. Should read his story

Elon Musk is a criminal. He’s polluting space with 47,000 pieces of future space junk that cannot be retrieved. He’s a space polluter and someone should stop him. Not to mention he manipulates the Crypto Currency market. The SEC should go after him for his comments and antics that affect Tesla stock. I don’t know why they let this maniac do whatever he wants.

Over 1 million Nissan Leaf have been sold and they're coming out with a new model this year. The arriya. Hardly a bad car

Elon Musk is the PT Barnum of the Auto industry and frankly he is giving me a lot of enjoyment watching him succeed over the last 10 years in virtually creating a new industry. There are now at least one dozen or more companies starting up electric cars and trucks. I really don't know whether they are truly better for the environment or not but definitely over the next 10 to 20 years at least half the car as sold or more will be Electric notwithstanding federal laws

No, its about half that amount - 500K in 10 years. About 1/3 have been in the US. The car was hampered by poor engineering in its early years - no battery thermal management system - which led to a poor reputation. The Tesla Model 3 outsold it by 6x in 2020.

I’m amazed people can’t see through this maniac, even worse think he’s a genius. Shaking my head…

Yes, to all of us, It’s very personal. He’s polluting space, amongst a litany of other offenses.

Agreed!

How about 47,000 satellites polluting space so he can get richer? Long after that maniac is dead, 47,000 pieces of space junk will still either be there, or falling to earth.

He’s a menace… with a lot of money. Shaking my head…

I’m a former straight-party-ticket GOP, now Libertarian btw. It’s amazing how small minds always go political.

I understand your outrage.
 

You are not alone at in your outrage friend.

LOL. that's really funny. They only CUMULATIVELY sold 500,000 in their first 10 years as of last December. they sold 500,000 this year?? that's really really.

It's a cheap EV, I grant you, but they haven't sold that many and most have been sold in Canada. They have sold 170,000 CUMLATIVELY in the US in 11 years.

But that aside.

Didn't say it was a bad car, but honestly, how often do you see Teslas and how often do you see the Leaf?

I'd say for me it's like 100/1. Maybe more.

and the Leaf is older. and way cheaper. and they are lousy. it's why they cost so little on the used market.

They don't even make the Volt now. There's a reason.

Musk built a far superior mouse-trap

Only when the topic is horrific polluters/market manipulators that go unchecked or worse have a cult like fan-dom.

There are lots of people who want to attack Musk for one reason or another, but he has become who he is because people want what he is delivering. EVs like them or not will dominate the market sooner than you think and if not by him by someone else. Now you can say he is polluting space with Star-link and your probably right, but the people of the world want to connect everyone to the internet and just like the EVs, if he doesn't do it someone else will.

Musk is a genius. Losers love to hate people that are successful.

I find Musk one of the most forward thinking people in the world today. He sees things and gets them done unlike anyone in our current government.

A lot of Haters
 

Is Musk's delivery strange, YES, he has some form of Autism. I give him a pass. Is he the only genius behind what Tesla is producing, absolutely not. There are thousands of engineers and designers behind Tesla, Space X and his solar company but he appears to be the pitch man and pitch men stretch the truth to benefit their company. And he's one hell of a pitch man. I know because I've made a small fortune on Tesla's stock, thank you very much, Elon.

I've also owned a Tesla for 6 years, 8 months (126K miles). It's a great car and lightning fast. It's also quiet as a church mouse and gets the equivalent of over 100 miles to the gallon, it has one of the highest safety ratings AND I still have the original breaks. It's a superior car in every way but it generates a lot of hate. It's a little sad that Sooner or later global warming will force everyone to figure out that we don't need to burn fossil fuel to operate machinery (and by machinery I include cars & tucks). Solar & wind - easy peesy.

I read it. He was a fraud. Lined his pockets while only ever producing 7000 cars

WOW WOW WOW Once I started watching this video - I was hooked. Very scary - in so many ways. (Especially to me - I bought a Model Y.) Didn't realize that while he is extraordinarily bright - he reminds me of Steve Jobs when he was fired at Apple for being a compulsive liar - horrible human to others - and control freak; only a later, did he gain humility - and was able to return a more humble and brilliant force in the electronics industry.

I do not own a Tesla, I'm satisficed with my internet, I have no intentions of traveling in space or going through one of his tunnels. As crazy as this guys is, he is delivering on things that other people just imagine.

You should count the junk NASSA, Russia, China etc. have floating around in space.
Compared to them E.Musk's Junk is minimal.

Well, and I believe Musk has plans in place to begin cleaning up debris in space.

He was told you can't make a practical affordable EV car - he did.
He was told you can's reuse rocket boosters - he did
He was told you can't make a Satellite Internet service - he did
He was told you can't make house solar tiles practical - he did
He was told you can't drill tunnels faster - he did
He was told you can't use batteries for storing solar and wind power cost effectively - he did
He was told you can't create a Full Self Driving without LIDAR - he did
He was told you can't colonize Mars - he is working on it.

The list just keeps growing.

People should be VERY careful where they get their news.

Boeing financed a website to spread misinformation on SpaceX - because Boeing can't deliver and is in jeopardy of loosing they're decades old funding and more funding.

Various ICE engine companies were involved in paying a person in Australia to spread misinformation about Teslas.

There is a large group of Short'ers that spears negative news in an attempt to bring down Tesla's stock so they can profit.

It goes on and one.

I am amazed at many of the same people that constantly dis china and the whole loosing jobs and factories to China, then turn around and bash one of the most innovative and creative Americans.