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Rainger99 08-04-2022 10:36 AM

Griner sentenced to 9 years
 
How long will she spend in jail?

How long should she spend in jail?

retiredguy123 08-04-2022 11:00 AM

What's worse, Russia sentencing her to 9 years for drug smuggling, or the U.S. releasing 2 Fentanyl smugglers after 2 days?

MrFlorida 08-04-2022 12:17 PM

She should have watched " Midnight Express" before going.

PugMom 08-04-2022 12:51 PM

you got THAT right

Babubhat 08-04-2022 01:16 PM

Well at least some good news today

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-04-2022 01:41 PM

She brought it from home - where she got it -legally-. She made a stupid mistake, but the mistake wasn't having it. The mistake was bringing it with her to Russia.

retiredguy123 08-04-2022 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2122561)
She brought it from home - where she got it -legally-. She made a stupid mistake, but the mistake wasn't having it. The mistake was bringing it with her to Russia.

Legally? Under what law was it legal, State law or Federal law? I don't think they disclosed what the THC content was. So, it could have been illegal under Federal law.

Stu from NYC 08-04-2022 01:52 PM

How foolish to take it to Russia. She deserves what she got

Taltarzac725 08-04-2022 01:58 PM

Brittney Griner trial: Verdict expected Thursday | AP News

Seems Draconian.

manaboutown 08-04-2022 02:08 PM

Do the crime; do the time.

Taltarzac725 08-04-2022 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2122570)
Do the crime; do the time.

I do not believe she had the intent required. She had said she put those into her luggage by mistake. Brittney Griner situation explained: WNBA star sentenced to nine years in Russian prison - CBSSports.com

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A day before Griner testified, her defense team focused their angle on how cannabis has a medicinal use. However, they still emphasized that Griner had no criminal intent and accidentally put it in her luggage while packing in a rush. That explanation may not have much bearing in Russian court, however, as Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova reportedly said the legalization of cannabis in the U.S. has no impact on Russia laws.

Tvflguy 08-04-2022 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2122570)
Do the crime; do the time.

Yep, unless the crime occurs in some municipalities and jurisdictions…. You may be out scot-free.

Rainger99 08-04-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2122572)
I do not believe she had the intent required. She had said she put those into her luggage by mistake.

Do you really believe that it was a mistake? Putting something in your luggage is a conscious decision. I don’t think I have ever packed something by mistake but I have forgotten to pack some items. If I were the Russian judge, I would be upset that she lied to the court!

tophcfa 08-04-2022 02:59 PM

Although she exercised very poor judgment bringing that stuff to Russia, she is getting a really raw deal. That being said, it’s a very bad idea to exchange the merchant of death for her release. Doing that sends a strong message to Putin that he can keep snatching up American travelers and exchange them for his criminal thugs.

JGVillages 08-04-2022 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2122594)
Although she exercised very poor judgment bringing that stuff to Russia, she is getting a really raw deal. That being said, it’s a very bad idea to exchange the merchant of death for her release. Doing that sends a strong message to Putin that he can keep snatching up American travelers and exchange them for his criminal thugs.

Raw deal? She traveled to a country that enforces their laws. Remember when the USA used to do that! Here’s a person that continued to protest the “National Anthem” by keeling, yet she wants this Nation to bring here home. Her ignorance by bringing the drug, or stupidity by not considering that when she packed her luggage, will not be overlooked in many countries that choose to enforce their laws.

manaboutown 08-04-2022 03:25 PM

She should be left there to rot in prison. She knew what she was doing and then compounded her crime by lying to get out of it. Fortunately Russia is not like the US has become in recent years with criminals left on the loose and running wild. They do not tolerate and even encourage criminal behavior as we do. To give up a big time Russian thug for her is just plain crazy, like paying a million dollars for a handful of peanuts.

She'll have a great opportunity to add to her collection of tattoos. Russian prisoners have the most incredible tattoos. Decoding Russian criminal tattoos – in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian

Rapscallion St Croix 08-04-2022 03:44 PM

On the bright side, she gets to learn a new language.

manaboutown 08-04-2022 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 2122602)
On the bright side, she gets to learn a new language.

Da! Vy ga-va-ree-tye pa-rus-kee? Do you speak Russian? in Russian - How to Say - Examples and Audio

bimmertl 08-04-2022 04:07 PM

My favorite statement so far is that the "Russians do not tolerate and even encourage criminals like we do". Really

This is the country that invaded Ukraine, is killing innocent citizens on a daily basis and is committing war crimes as a result.

They hunt down and try to kill, and do kill, dissidents no matter where they are in the world.

This is a kangaroo court that results in conviction over 99% of the time. The same "legal" system also locked Paul Whelan for 16 years for "espionage". Pure nonsense.

So I guess everybody is OK with the Whelan conviction also. So let's here all the Griner haters tell us true justice was done for Whelan. Or is the Russian system only correct when the convicted person is an African American professional basketball who won two gold medals for the US in the Olympics?

Taltarzac725 08-04-2022 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2122594)
Although she exercised very poor judgment bringing that stuff to Russia, she is getting a really raw deal. That being said, it’s a very bad idea to exchange the merchant of death for her release. Doing that sends a strong message to Putin that he can keep snatching up American travelers and exchange them for his criminal thugs.

He would seem to encourage kangaroo courts working for his benefit which is pretty much what we have here in this situation.

The punishment hardly warrants the "crime".

manaboutown 08-04-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2122614)
He would seem to encourage kangaroo courts working for his benefit which is pretty much what we have here in this situation.

The punishment hardly warrants the "crime".

I can't wait to see her prison tattoos and hear what her Russian speech will sound like. Moscow, St. Petersburg or some kind of hardcore criminal rough talk?

Caymus 08-04-2022 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2122561)
She brought it from home - where she got it -legally-. She made a stupid mistake, but the mistake wasn't having it. The mistake was bringing it with her to Russia.

Is it no longer illegal to transport it through US Airports? How did she get to Russia?

BigSteph 08-04-2022 04:57 PM

Is she wrong -- both literally and figuratively -- yeah. She brought something into a sovereign nation that is prohibited. Even if it was only a wee bit (cartridge), and legal in a province or state, and it wasn't even all that good -- ditch weed, it was still not allowed.

What if you go to the airport tomorrow, forget that you have a 22 derringer in your overnight bag, but you have a concealed permit in FL and UT (UT honors dozens of state with reciprocity agreements). The TSA finds the gun. You go, dang, I didn't mean to have it. It is legal in Florida, and I can carry it in 30 other states. Does the TSA go, yep, I can see it is a tiny amount of a gun, and you really didn't mean to have it. Go ahead, brah, no problem.

What if you have a few brews at World of Beer. You begin to sober up. but need more time. You get into your golf cart, and turn it on to hear some rad tunes. You slump over and fall asleep. Minutes later, Wildwood or Lady Lake's finest approaches you, wakes you up, and asks you to turn the ignition off. You say, brah, I'm resting it off -- I knew my limits and didn't drive home. He asks you to perform some tests and you say you didn't drive it. He informs you that you cannot have the key in the ignition of a motor vehicle when intoxicated. You say, I'm knot Toxinacated and I knowed my Writes." He responds, oh, that clears things up, go ahead, and be safe citizen.

Does the lady's transgression in Russia warrant 9 years -- of course not. Russia is an A-whole country. We are in a proxy war with them. Did you think they wouldn't turn the screws on us, as we are turning it on them.

Would a young black women, whose father works at Publix bagging groceries, who saved up to send his little girl to UCF to study language, who then travels to Russia on a school trip, but has a wee bit of weed oil in a cartridge get all the presidential, political, and media focus that the basketball woman gets? I'll answer that, freakin NO!

It is not even a racial, or sexual orientation thing, it is just a fame thing.

We are all equal, all of us.

Babubhat 08-04-2022 04:59 PM

Swift and decisive justice is the best kind.

frose 08-04-2022 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2122561)
She brought it from home - where she got it -legally-. She made a stupid mistake, but the mistake wasn't having it. The mistake was bringing it with her to Russia.

her mistake was disrespecting this country. 9 years is not enough.

Number 10 GI 08-04-2022 06:31 PM

First thing, you don't go to another country that has an extreme dislike for our country and get caught doing something that violates their law. You will become a pawn in an international political power play that has no rules. Remember Otto Warmbier who was convicted by a North Korean court for stealing a political banner? He was another pawn in an international power play and he paid for it with his life. Doing stupid things in the wrong places can be fatal!

When you leave our country your constitutional rights end at our border. You are subject to that other country's laws whether they are fair, draconian or very permissive. In some countries she could face the death penalty or a very lengthy prison sentence. We can scream, kick and holler that the punishment is far more severe than what she would face in the U.S. but that argument is totally irrelevant. Those punishments are what their laws dictate.

My opinion about her punishment is that it is far too severe. Nine years in a Russian prison would be Hell. I do not agree to the swap that has been proposed, that man should never see the light of day again.

Djean1981 08-04-2022 07:01 PM

Our laws mean nothing in other countries and she should have known better. Although I don't like her behavior, nine years seems extreme. I feel bad for her family...

bimmertl 08-04-2022 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2122626)
her mistake was disrespecting this country. 9 years is not enough.


God forbid, "disrespecting" Russia!!

Obviously satire, nobody could possibly be serious about such a stupid statement!

TNLAKEPANDA 08-04-2022 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2122489)
How long will she spend in jail?

How long should she spend in jail?

A full 9 years!

Bill14564 08-04-2022 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 2122607)
My favorite statement so far is that the "Russians do not tolerate and even encourage criminals like we do". Really

This is the country that invaded Ukraine, is killing innocent citizens on a daily basis and is committing war crimes as a result.

They hunt down and try to kill, and do kill, dissidents no matter where they are in the world.

This is a kangaroo court that results in conviction over 99% of the time. The same "legal" system also locked Paul Whelan for 16 years for "espionage". Pure nonsense.

So I guess everybody is OK with the Whelan conviction also. So let's here all the Griner haters tell us true justice was done for Whelan. Or is the Russian system only correct when the convicted person is an African American professional basketball who won two gold medals for the US in the Olympics?

You realize you live in a glass house, right?

Some of our operations in Afghanistan are difficult to defend and we recently celebrated locating and killing someone in another country after 20+ years of searching.

I don't care what color, sex, or skills they have, it was a mistake to carry an illegal substance into a foreign country. We wouldn't excuse a foreigner breaking our laws and we shouldn't expect a foreign country to excuse an American breaking their laws, female black Olympian or not.

Of course, she should not be made an example of simply because she is American but it looks like that is what is happening. *That* we can agree is not right.

Badger 2006 08-04-2022 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 2122607)
My favorite statement so far is that the "Russians do not tolerate and even encourage criminals like we do". Really

This is the country that invaded Ukraine, is killing innocent citizens on a daily basis and is committing war crimes as a result.

They hunt down and try to kill, and do kill, dissidents no matter where they are in the world.

This is a kangaroo court that results in conviction over 99% of the time. The same "legal" system also locked Paul Whelan for 16 years for "espionage". Pure nonsense.

So I guess everybody is OK with the Whelan conviction also. So let's here all the Griner haters tell us true justice was done for Whelan. Or is the Russian system only correct when the convicted person is an African American professional basketball who won two gold medals for the US in the Olympics?

Didn’t take long to play the race card! We may not agree at all with the Russian system but it’s theirs as are all the other country’s judicial systems in this world unique to each. If you choose to travel outside our judicial system to not know the laws of their land, especially concerning drugs, is plain and simple stupid. By the way winning Olympic Gold Medals should not qualify for a get out of jail free card!

Djean1981 08-04-2022 08:19 PM

Yes, she did break their law and should not have, but she got 9 years because Russia hates the US right now. The sentence is insane. Hopefully, this will serve as a lesson to others to not travel in areas that are hostile to the US. Like with Britney and Warmbier, it may not go well.

Taltarzac725 08-04-2022 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 2122637)
God forbid, "disrespecting" Russia!!

Obviously satire, nobody could possibly be serious about such a stupid statement!

Satire. I kind of doubt it. They are very serious.

manaboutown 08-04-2022 08:31 PM

I can't wait to see her Russian prison tats. I wonder if they will allow her to post them on instagram or other social media from the gulag.

She'll just love a Siberian winter!

Djean1981 08-04-2022 08:48 PM

So, you are happy that she was sentenced to 9 years...

Taltarzac725 08-04-2022 09:03 PM

Russian court gives Brittney Griner nine years on drugs charges | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

Al Jazeera is a fairly objective source of news.

They do not say it but I would not put it past Putin's goons from planting something to get a high level athlete in a bind and make her a political pawn.

Quote:

“I still don’t understand to this day how they ended up in my bag,” she told the court on July 27. “If I had to guess on how they ended up in my bags, I was in a rush packing.”

manaboutown 08-04-2022 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2122660)
Russian court gives Brittney Griner nine years on drugs charges | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

Al Jazeera is a fairly objective source of news.

They do not say it but I would not put it past Putin's goons from planting something to get a high level athlete in a bind and make her a political pawn.

lol. She is a liar!

manaboutown 08-04-2022 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 2122607)
My favorite statement so far is that the "Russians do not tolerate and even encourage criminals like we do". Really

This is the country that invaded Ukraine, is killing innocent citizens on a daily basis and is committing war crimes as a result.

They hunt down and try to kill, and do kill, dissidents no matter where they are in the world.

This is a kangaroo court that results in conviction over 99% of the time. The same "legal" system also locked Paul Whelan for 16 years for "espionage". Pure nonsense.

So I guess everybody is OK with the Whelan conviction also. So let's here all the Griner haters tell us true justice was done for Whelan. Or is the Russian system only correct when the convicted person is an African American professional basketball who won two gold medals for the US in the Olympics?

Whelan is a scumbag. Bad conduct discharge from the USMC. Lied about his academic credentials and much more.

Paul Whelan (security director - Wikipedia)

Taltarzac725 08-04-2022 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2122668)
Whelan is a scumbag. Bad conduct discharge from the USMC. Lied about his academic credentials and much more.

Paul Whelan (security director - Wikipedia

Paul Whelan

More links to Paul Whelan.

mrrmauu 08-05-2022 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2122489)
How long will she spend in jail?

How long should she spend in jail?

I couldn’t care less.


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