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Normal 01-04-2023 06:24 PM

Highway Meggison
 
We moved into Citrus Grove a little more than a year ago. Since then, traffic has GREATLY increased along Meggison road. My fear is it will even get worse once the road connects to 470/ turnpike and the Bexley bridge opens up. It’s only two lanes wide after passing the Citrus Grove gates and crossing the road with golf carts or walking has gotten more and more treacherous. Furthermore, another hundred plus homes are being built in the Newell Franklin area which would only make things worse. I’m beginning to wonder if things were thought through for this busy thoroughfare?

metoo21 01-04-2023 07:06 PM

A couple hundred homes? There will be 13,000 between Homestead and the Turnpike with Meggison being the main road north & south.

VApeople 01-04-2023 07:07 PM

Take a drive down Pinellas. It is a 2-lane road that passes through several villages. That is how Meggison will be for people in Citrus Grove after Newell et al is finished.

LAFwUs 01-04-2023 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2172972)
We moved into Citrus Grove a little more than a year ago. Since then, traffic has GREATLY increased along Meggison road. My fear is it will even get worse once the road connects to 470/ turnpike and the Bexley bridge opens up. It’s only two lanes wide after passing the Citrus Grove gates and crossing the road with golf carts or walking has gotten more and more treacherous. Furthermore, another hundred plus homes are being built in the Newell Franklin area which would only make things worse. I’m beginning to wonder if things were thought through for this busy thoroughfare?

Yep!
Partly to blame is Sawgrass with its one and only entrance off Meggison and people, (both cart & car) all in contest to get the best live entertainment seats/cart parking in the grass just outside the open air area /whatever.
We noted the BIG uptick in traffic and speed of said traffic, when Sawgrass came on board, just before we moved north.
You are also correct, it will all get much worse, when they complete the bridge spanning the turnpike to lay in more villages, as it will really be the only way in/out for everyone living there, needing to go anywhere...

Glorantha 01-04-2023 07:14 PM

Saw this as a problem months ago. There are no roundabouts or gates to slow the traffic flow. Golf cart lanes are along the road instead of having a dedicated path.

I can easily see the cars speeding down this road once connections are open.

npwalters 01-04-2023 07:32 PM

If you want to know what it will be like in a few years just take Morse between 466 and 27/441.

Rainger99 01-04-2023 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2172972)
I’m beginning to wonder if things were thought through for this busy thoroughfare?

Meggison is four lanes between brownwood and sawgrass and it has a separate golf cart lane about 10 yards off the road. South of sawgrass it is only two lanes with two golf cart lanes in the road. I would love to get an explanation for this design from the engineers. The developers seem to have built a safe road north of sawgrass and a dangerous road south of sawgrass.

Kenswing 01-04-2023 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2172990)
Meggison is four lanes between brownwood and sawgrass and it has a separate golf cart lane about 10 yards off the road. South of sawgrass it is only two lanes with two golf cart lanes in the road. I would love to get an explanation for this design from the engineers. The developers seem to have built a safe road north of sawgrass and a dangerous road south of sawgrass.

Does the developer design the roads or does the county? Notice the lane change is right around the county line.

Normal 01-04-2023 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2172992)
Does the developer design the roads or does the county? Notice the lane change is right around the county line.

All of Citrus Grove is in Sumter County. All of Meggison Road in Citrus Grove is 2 lane. It is probably just dollar sign blindness by the developer. More lots take priority over safer roads. The golf cart crossing to Southern Oaks is very tough. You really have to have your peepers open and be patient to cross.

RobertScott 01-04-2023 08:30 PM

The contractors go very fast down Meggison, in and out of Lake County. I did see WPD in the bushes by the power lines the other day, bravo.

Papa_lecki 01-04-2023 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2172994)
All of Citrus Grove is in Sumter County. All of Meggison Road in Citrus Grove is 2 lane. It is probably just dollar sign blindness by the developer. More lots take priority over safer roads. The golf cart crossing to Southern Oaks is very tough. You really have to have your peepers open and be patient to cross.

Yes, the developer just decided to cut costs on roads, not like its a county road that needs to meet state and federal guidelines and approval.
So let’s keep blaming it on the developer.

If you didnt see the massive amount of future development happening south of citrus grove, but still complain about the road - just like those complaining about the turnpike.

Normal 01-04-2023 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2172999)
Yes, the developer just decided to cut costs on roads, not like its a county road that needs to meet state and federal guidelines and approval.
So let’s keep blaming it on the developer.

If you didnt see the massive amount of future development happening south of citrus grove, but still complain about the road - just like those complaining about the turnpike.

I’m sure the developer gets more money for lots and homes than it does by spending money on infrastructure. So sure. Why not sell additional homesites instead of making a better road? It’s a great short term dollar sign business decision.

Altavia 01-04-2023 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2172990)
Meggison is four lanes between brownwood and sawgrass and it has a separate golf cart lane about 10 yards off the road. South of sawgrass it is only two lanes with two golf cart lanes in the road. I would love to get an explanation for this design from the engineers. The developers seem to have built a safe road north of sawgrass and a dangerous road south of sawgrass.

It appears the intent is for 4 lane through traffic to cross the Bexely Bridge connecting to 4 lane McNeil drive south to Central Parkway (470).

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John Mayes 01-04-2023 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2173003)
It appears the intent is for 4 lane through traffic to cross the Bexely Bridge connecting to 4 lane McNeil drive south to Central Parkway (470).

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This!!!! My uneducated guess is that traffic headed to the turnpike will be encouraged to use the new Bexley bridge instead of passing through the Citrus Grove gate and continuing on Meggison.

VApeople 01-04-2023 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2172990)
South of sawgrass it is only two lanes with two golf cart lanes in the road. I would love to get an explanation for this design from the engineers.

They have always done that on roads they thing will not carry too much traffic, like Moyer, Hillsborough, Pinellas, and Meggison below Sawgrass.

coffeebean 01-04-2023 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2172988)
If you want to know what it will be like in a few years just take Morse between 466 and 27/441.

Was the cart path along Meggison Road (like the cart path alongside Morse north of 466) built this way to accommodate a dedicated walking path? I noticed that several months ago when hubby and I took a drive down south. I said to hubby at the time that I much prefered to have a dedicated multi modal path than share a busy roadway like Meggison Rd and Morse north of 466. I'm not a walker or biker so the dedicated walking paths are not important to me as they would be to those who are avid walkers and bikers.

coffeebean 01-04-2023 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2172990)
Meggison is four lanes between brownwood and sawgrass and it has a separate golf cart lane about 10 yards off the road. South of sawgrass it is only two lanes with two golf cart lanes in the road. I would love to get an explanation for this design from the engineers. The developers seem to have built a safe road north of sawgrass and a dangerous road south of sawgrass.

Good to know the entire stretch of Meggison does not have a cart path alongside.

VApeople 01-04-2023 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2173013)
Was the cart path along Meggison Road (like the cart path alongside Morse north of 466) built this way to accommodate a dedicated walking path?

No.

There is no walking path when a road has a cart path alongside. Look at Meggison above Sawgrass or Morse or Buena Vista.

When there is no cart path alongside (like Meggison below Sawgrass or Fenney Way), they have a dedicated walking/biking path, which we walkers and bikers truly appreciate.

b0bd0herty 01-05-2023 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Glorantha (Post 2172985)
Saw this as a problem months ago. There are no roundabouts or gates to slow the traffic flow. Golf cart lanes are along the road instead of having a dedicated path.

I can easily see the cars speeding down this road once connections are open.

They are already (not just contractors) hitting 50 mph and more.

Ele201 01-05-2023 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2172972)
We moved into Citrus Grove a little more than a year ago. Since then, traffic has GREATLY increased along Meggison road. My fear is it will even get worse once the road connects to 470/ turnpike and the Bexley bridge opens up. It’s only two lanes wide after passing the Citrus Grove gates and crossing the road with golf carts or walking has gotten more and more treacherous. Furthermore, another hundred plus homes are being built in the Newell Franklin area which would only make things worse. I’m beginning to wonder if things were thought through for this busy thoroughfare?

New homes are going up everywhere there is space for them, it seems. The developers will continue to build, that’s their plan. In a few years, it will become more like a bustling metropolis, rather than the peaceful retirement community people sought when they moved here.

Rainger99 01-05-2023 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ele201 (Post 2173029)
In a few years, it will become more like a bustling metropolis, rather than the peaceful retirement community people sought when they moved here.

The population is about 135,000 now. What is your definition of a bustling metropolis?

Rainger99 01-05-2023 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2173014)
Good to know the entire stretch of Meggison does not have a cart path alongside.

The real question is why Meggison north (from 44 to sawgrass) is four lanes with a golf cart path about 10 yards off the road and Meggison south (from sawgrass to 470) is two lanes with golf cart lanes in the roadway. Do the residents of Richmond, St Johns, Hawkins, Cason Hammock, and St Catherines deserve safer roads than residents living south of there? Were there a lot of accidents in Meggison north and the engineers thought the south design is safer?

When there is an accident, maybe Dan or Morgan & Morgan will get the answer.

Rwirish 01-05-2023 05:48 AM

Well to The Villages.

jonathanb 01-05-2023 06:09 AM

We’ve been living in The Villages for 12 years now and are on our sixth home. Currently in Citrus Grove. Traffic always gets worse after a year or two when you move into a new house. Just drive north of 44. It’s a traffic zoo at times.

merrymini 01-05-2023 06:59 AM

New areas are lighter on traffic because all the people are not there yet. I thought it was funny when I asked someone why they liked the southern area better and they said it was “quiet.” Well, it wasn’t fully developed yet! I hate to drive up to the most northern areas because the traffic congestion is terrible but that is where all the new businesses seem to go. It will get busier and busier as all the people move in. Also the road and paths may have to be different in the south due to building constraints due to wet lands and such.

jimdecastro 01-05-2023 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2172999)
Yes, the developer just decided to cut costs on roads, not like its a county road that needs to meet state and federal guidelines and approval.
So let’s keep blaming it on the developer.

If you didnt see the massive amount of future development happening south of citrus grove, but still complain about the road - just like those complaining about the turnpike.

When we moved here there WAS no development yet - and we couldn't see how the area would be built. I thought they would follow the model of the other 77 Villages - gates, roundabouts, etc.

jimdecastro 01-05-2023 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2172972)
We moved into Citrus Grove a little more than a year ago. Since then, traffic has GREATLY increased along Meggison road. My fear is it will even get worse once the road connects to 470/ turnpike and the Bexley bridge opens up. It’s only two lanes wide after passing the Citrus Grove gates and crossing the road with golf carts or walking has gotten more and more treacherous. Furthermore, another hundred plus homes are being built in the Newell Franklin area which would only make things worse. I’m beginning to wonder if things were thought through for this busy thoroughfare?

I am the VHA Neighborhood Rep in Citrus Grove (and will be in Newell in June). We have been trying to address this since the Spring. The powers that be (developer, WPD, Sumter County) state this was engineered appropriately. I am going to the Town Hall to bring this to light - again. I was told this is how it is on Morse north of 466 - NOT TRUE; there are three traffic lights up there. In Newell, Lake County has no east way to respond to emergencies as Meggison Road does not go through to CR 470 yet. This CANNOT be safe for the Lake County residents of Newell who start to move in THIS MONTH.

jimdecastro 01-05-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mayes (Post 2173009)
This!!!! My uneducated guess is that traffic headed to the turnpike will be encouraged to use the new Bexley bridge instead of passing through the Citrus Grove gate and continuing on Meggison.


Not going to happen. Meggison is MUCH closer to the turnpike than MacNeil. And there is no light and/or left turn to contend with.

jimdecastro 01-05-2023 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2173038)
The population is about 135,000 now. What is your definition of a bustling metropolis?


The current population according to The Daily Sun is 144,700.

Southwest737 01-05-2023 07:21 AM

Thus one of the reasons we bought up north. Much less traffic. Throw in no bond, better shopping, more golf courses, and trees.

Normal 01-05-2023 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2173003)
It appears the intent is for 4 lane through traffic to cross the Bexely Bridge connecting to 4 lane McNeil drive south to Central Parkway (470).

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Um ya, everyone likes to drive farther to get somewhere? I understand and respect what you have said, but I know for a fact that airport shuttles from Orlando are already eyeing the opening of the Meggison 470 junction. The shuttle driver we used on Groome mentioned it when we returned last week from visiting family.

Annie66 01-05-2023 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 2173065)
New areas are lighter on traffic because all the people are not there yet. I thought it was funny when I asked someone why they liked the southern area better and they said it was “quiet.” Well, it wasn’t fully developed yet! I hate to drive up to the most northern areas because the traffic congestion is terrible but that is where all the new businesses seem to go. It will get busier and busier as all the people move in. Also the road and paths may have to be different in the south due to building constraints due to wet lands and such.

You must have a low threshold of pain. The traffic in most cities is 4 or 5 times worse.

Normal 01-05-2023 07:33 AM

Unsafe
 
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Originally Posted by mkjelenbaas (Post 2173092)
So, and your point is??

It is becoming unsafe to cross our cart at the Citrus Grove gate and the 2 lane is driven on like it is a four lane. I hate even going to the post office. The golf cart path shared with the road is dangerous.

Nucky 01-05-2023 07:38 AM

I understand that this is an important issue to you Mr. or Mrs. OP.

Me personally, I couldn’t give a Fig Newton about noise from the Pike or any other road anywhere in The Villages. I’m about a mile or so from 441 in The Historic Section and was going to start a petition about the road noise and the occasional noise from Spanish Springs Town Square. Since nobody over here can hear I got no support on that issue. I normally can’t hear NOTHING anyway, just ask my wifey.

Annie66 01-05-2023 07:39 AM

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that Meggison Road is such a winding, curvy highway where the lanes seem to be a bit narrower than other major roads. When I drive down it, I imagine this is like a Formula 1 track. I'm unaware if this feature has led to a higher incidence of auto accidents. I just do not understand why it was designed this way and not have a straighter, albeit a more boring, construction.

NoMo50 01-05-2023 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2172999)
Yes, the developer just decided to cut costs on roads, not like its a county road that needs to meet state and federal guidelines and approval.
So let’s keep blaming it on the developer.

It is doubtful that cost cutting was the major factor behind the design of Meggison. All of the infrastructure in new construction areas, including roads, is recaptured by the bonds issued in those areas. So, in essence, these construction costs will be borne by the new homeowners. And don't think for a minute that there aren't multiple levels of approvals attached to new roadway development.

Rainger99 01-05-2023 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jimdecastro (Post 2173075)
I am the VHA Neighborhood Rep in Citrus Grove (and will be in Newell in June). We have been trying to address this since the Spring. The powers that be (developer, WPD, Sumter County) state this was engineered appropriately.

What explanation do they give for changing the design of Meggison south of sawgrass? Is it safer than Meggison north? Or Buena Vista and Morse south of 466?

westernrider75 01-05-2023 07:58 AM

Much less traffic!!!! Are you kidding? That’s one of the reasons we didn’t buy up north, because of the gridlock.

divolady@bellsouth.net 01-05-2023 08:01 AM

All of the growth in The Villages is going way to fast. It’s all about selling house
 
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2172972)
We moved into Citrus Grove a little more than a year ago. Since then, traffic has GREATLY increased along Meggison road. My fear is it will even get worse once the road connects to 470/ turnpike and the Bexley bridge opens up. It’s only two lanes wide after passing the Citrus Grove gates and crossing the road with golf carts or walking has gotten more and more treacherous. Furthermore, another hundred plus homes are being built in the Newell Franklin area which would only make things worse. I’m beginning to wonder if things were thought through for this busy thoroughfare?

Sell sell sell all about money with no concern about traffic and people

TomPerry 01-05-2023 08:03 AM

Same old, same old! It is like it is all over the country! When people move to a desirable place, they want it to stay the same as when they moved there! They don’t want anyone else coming in and screwing up their great place! Not in my new back yard!


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