Repeat Offenders
 

Why do prosecutors and judges release repeat violent offenders into society when they know (or should know) that these people will commit more violent crimes? Why don't they prosecute them and put them in prison for the maximum amount of time prescribed by law? I don't understand the rationale. Do they really think that these criminals will go home and suddenly become law abiding citizens?

It is a good question.

Don't know so much about here, but in a lot of places it comes down to available space. Can't sentence someone to prison if every prison in the state is already overcrowded.

There should be answers beyond that though. Home confinement with a non-removable ankle ring that reports where the offender is at all times. Maybe heftier retribution sentences in lieu of confinement. But the ONE thing that would help the most is the one thing that gets very little mention. I don't know the exact number but a whole lot, maybe half, of people sentenced to confinement are there for drug-related offenses, and a number of others are there because they turn to criminal behavior to support a drug habit. I have no problem with sentencing the drug lords, kingpins, suppliers, etc. to hefty sentences, but for probably most of the others, if we treat drug issues as a medical condition rather than a legal issue, we'd be going a long way toward opening up prison space for those who really deserve it.

It's a continuous stream of revenue to the Sherriff and Police Dept with fines.

I am baffled by the recent sympathy towards criminals by the courts, at the expense of victims.

There are some parts of Sharia Law that make a lot of sense! :smiley:

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As you pointed out, it is a very complicated, interrelated, issue, and most people want ONE SIMPLE answer. Have adult children in St. Louis. Interesting and tragic situation there right now. Young female teen, in town with her parents, volleyball team, and coach from her high school in Tennessee (big tournament) just lost BOTH of her legs as a result of an individual with a horrendous criminal record and, like so many cases now, should never have been free to harm anymore people. But that brings us back to the point of their chief circuit attorney, Kim Gardner, may finally be removed from office. But.... this is the same story over and over in nearly every big city. If and when some of these people are finally removed for incompetency, will it really make a difference ? Or. do our larger cities have so many complex and interrelated problems they are "insolvable" ? It would be a start, but, would her removal (or resignation) change things ?

have u been on a college campus in the last 30 years??

It all comes down to $ and lack or reform
 

Incarcerations costs big bucks. There is constant pressure not to increase taxes or allocate more funds. Politicians want to be reelected to they will shy away from tax hikes. Same pressure on judges and prosecutors.

Reform is also needed: Overall, there are roughly 23,000 people still in jail for marijuana possession as their sole offense; and as of 2020, over 45 percent of nationwide monthly violations are still drug-related.

Personally, I believe the family structure in America no longer exists in many places and children grow without, respect, love, consequences and care.

Way off with your statistics, 'maybe have incarcerated for drug related offenses'
 

There are some states that will incarcerate for drug possession only not as a plea for dealing. Does not make half the convicts doing time. Cal, NY, NJ are closing prisons. How many other states have closed or will soon?

Ride the lightning
 

How about for excessive felonies
1. Loss of usa citizenship after serving sentence

2. Immediate deportation

3. If found back in usa, minimum 30 yr sentence

4. No deals for murderers & treason

I'll risk being banned for this but, one PIECE of a solution might be if the prisons were NOT overcrowded with NON-violent offenders, there'd be room for the violent offenders. Someone who's only "crime" was having an ounce of marijuana on their person does NOT belong in jail.

I don't think so
 

Huh? The prison systems are not overseen by the sheriff or the police departments. Prisons are under the control of the state department of corrections, or the federal prison systems. The police departments have temporary holding cells, and the sheriff can house convicted misdemeanor violators for up to six months. Any incarceration longer than six months would be classified as a felony and the person would be confined to prison.

I realize this is getting off course from the OP's original question, for which I have no answer on how to solve, except the drug problem does result in a number of crimes to feed their habit, and the preponderance of criminals come from one parent homes where there usually is no father to set the example. Is that the case with all of the convicted felons? Absolutely not! But it is in most

It’s all about destroying this country

The present prosecution process enables bad behavior and the criminals know it. A culture of responsibility and accountability needs to be implemented so the Bad guys know they can’t get away with it.

I’ve just read about a guy who stole two cartons of ice cream and some whipped cream from Walmart at Buffalo Ridge and was charged with a felony and released on bail. A 60 year old Villager who was found high and passed out under a shady tree in his neighborhood was charged with a felony for have a vaping device and an ounce of THC oil. He was released on bail, too. (The odd thing is that he could have gone to a marijuana doctor, said he felt anxious, and received a license letting him have that stuff legally.)

Neither is likely to serve a day in jail for these crimes. The thing is, prison is very expensive. Apart from the fact that criminals choose to be criminals and that their actions damage or destroy lives and property, including their own, what are you willing to pay to put someone behind bars? Any trial is expensive by the time you pay for the time of all the people involved, from deputies to court reporters to janitors. Are you willing for we the people to pay, say, a total of $20,000 to mete out a 30 day sentence and another $30,000 for the incarceration costs? All for $10 worth of ice cream? A jury trial is much more expensive. District Attorneys don’t want to spend that money and time if they aren’t pretty much sure of a conviction. I read recently that incarceration in the New York City area exceeds $500,000 per year per prisoner. I’ve heard that it’s not much cheaper in Florida, but I’m not sure.

I myself believe we should follow the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (ratified in 1865): “ Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Sell these convicts as slaves or indentured servants for the term of their incarceration and let them do difficult and dangerous work. Better yet, make many violent crimes capital offenses and carry out the sentence within a few weeks in a humane way, like putting down a dog. I know most readers will disagree. Just my feeling on the topic. It would be cheaper and better for society and decrease the number of repeat offenders. I consider prison worse than death.

At a very basic level, stupidity in the thought that the gift of freedom will automatically result in a redemption and a change in morals and values.

A deeper possible answer, to create a downfall of the US through total chaos. Leading good citizens that have morals and values to NEEDING the government to rescue society through policing those not falling in line with political agendas, classic, what do you call it?... communism?

Maybe Prosecutors and Judges are more important than people give credit? Is the US slowly being infiltrated through elections in the judicial process? Will the Villages will see more crime if there is a slow burn of "punishment fits the crime" and law enforcement and elected judicials being "woke"?
Could third world status of the US be knocking at the door in an effort to bring this country to its knees?

Who knows, but long as our golf courses stay nice we will all be OK.

I have not. But, I'm interested to hear why you ask this question. Can you please elaborate?

Yeppers.

do research...............hint, the political viewpoint being pushed on many campuses.

Repeat offenders
 

For most places where this is happening the words of reasons are not acceptable to the moderator, sorry

Chaos
 

QUOTE=Pairadocs;2190786]As you pointed out, it is a very complicated, interrelated, issue, and most people want ONE SIMPLE answer. Have adult children in St. Louis. Interesting and tragic situation there right now. Young female teen, in town with her parents, volleyball team, and coach from her high school in Tennessee (big tournament) just lost BOTH of her legs as a result of an individual with a horrendous criminal record and, like so many cases now, should never have been free to harm anymore people. But that brings us back to the point of their chief circuit attorney, Kim Gardner, may finally be removed from office. But.... this is the same story over and over in nearly every big city. If and when some of these people are finally removed for incompetency, will it really make a difference ? Or. do our larger cities have so many complex and interrelated problems they are "insolvable" ? It would be a start, but, would her removal (or resignation) change things ?[/QUOTE]
Who appointed Kim Gardner? This is the big question. The answer is money provided by non other than George. George who? Soros. He is trying to destabilize our citys by doing that and creating mass chaos so what will happen? Martial law. He is funding many more city prosecutors around the country. How do you take down a country? Martial law!

“I’ve just read about a guy who stole two cartons of ice cream and some whipped cream from Walmart at Buffalo Ridge and was charged with a felony and released on bail. A 60 year old Villager who was found high and passed out under a shady tree in his neighborhood was charged with a felony for have a vaping device and an ounce of THC oil. He was released on bail, too“

This may sound like looking at the world through rose-colored glasses, but the above quote is an indication of just how GOOD we Villagers have it. Back where I’m from (and I am assuming this is the case for a lot of us) someone walking out the door with unpaid-for ice cream and whipped cream wouldn’t even have caused the cashier to look up. In fact the de facto method of doing business in the Minneapolis - St. Paul metro area is to treat all shoplifting thefts under $1,000 as misdemeanors, and thefts OVER that amount are taken as reports that get acted on “if and when”.It has gotten so bad that businesses there (the few that remain open) have “customers” who walk in, take what they wan and walk out. And that reference is not to ice cream, but to some pretty fancy electronics, name-brand clothing, etc. The cops up there are just too few in number, too overworked, and too hamstrung by the very municipalities that hire them, to operate in any other way.

The way that the law operates down here is a carbon-copy of how Giuliani cleaned up New York. Constant, unrelenting pressure on the petty thieves and criminals is a guarantee that the little stuff will rarely, if ever, blossom into the big stuff.Do you think that many, if any, of those electronic and designer-clothes ripoff artists would have graduated to the (relatively) big time of $1,000 thefts made with impunity had they been made to face felony charges for absconding with a few containers of ice cream? I sure don’t.

At least part (not the entire, of course) of the answer is fair, equitable law enforcement across-the-board by law-enforcement agencies that have adequate manpower AND the outspoken support of the powers-that-be that employs them. I share the frustration of the poster at the felony charge leveled at the ice-cream thief who was allowed to go free on minimal bail. Happens a lot around here. But by the same token how many even get charged down here with thefts in there $1,000 range? Very, very few when compared to the small-timers.

A lot of municipalities around the country could take a valuable lesson from how Giuliani cleaned up New York and from how law-enforcement operates in The Villages. But of course they won’t.

Wrong. Police departments and Sheriff's departments do not receive monies levied as fines. That money typically goes into the city or county general operating fund. And, believe me, no one is more disgusted with the revolving door that criminals pass through than law enforcement officers.

Well I am curious if those that sympathize have ever gone through an event. Just had our house up north burglarized, thrashed and our other car stolen right out of our garage. My wife is totally traumatized and not sure she can go back in house.

The only good news is the ******* was caught a few days later riding around in my car.

Because he had mask on and gloves and Hoodi they won't prosecute for actual burglary. Only for possession of stolen goods, a felony, and drugs and such. Looked him up online......20 pages of previous offenses.....and he is still out on the street. 45 yrs old.....so don't talk about rehabilitation. He should be in jail for the rest of his life before he kills someone. Or maybe take up a little mid east justice and chop off his hands.

Yes very ****ed off right now. Ill gladly pay more taxes to put these creeps where they belong.

If you're wondering why, you haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in this country for the past 7 years.

Too much “situational ethics” being practiced around here. The Good Book is a users manual that provides very clear guidance for every imaginable event that confronts humanity.

Wow! Mandoman for President.

Why are you "asking" us? Ask the judges and prosecutors. People commit crimes, are convicted, serve their time and are released.

Redemption
 

Heard the ukranians are looking for able bodied individuals. Now that's a presidential pardon i can get behind.

Good reason for constitutional carry , isn't it.....

When a person chooses to become a Predatory Animal, and sees his neighborhood as his Hunting Ground and his neighbors as Prey he must be neutralized to protect his Intended Prey, and Future Intended Prey.

Kim Gardner is incompetent past the point of insanity. Missouri, though, will not build enough prisons, or adequately staff those that are there, nor does the State adequately train or pay the prison staff they have. Crime does not pay, it costs, and it is real expensive. Maybe they should outsource some of their prison responsibilities to the Chinese “reeducation “ system.

We should start a thread.

Don't' know of any in todays world of someone going to state prison for possession of small amounts of drugs, commonly refered to as recreational quantity. State prisons are where we send the violent actors and those that sell, transport or distribute larger amounts of drug. As the courts and prosecutors have become more lenient, crime continues to rise. Population increases and prison cells are pretty stagnant in numbers. We literally see it every day so many being arrested and let go without bail. Not that ability alone helps unless it so high it keeps the violent offenders in. The answer by some is to make a serious crime,a felony, so that the jails don't overflow. Thats working great as car hijackers, that are committing ROBBERY and many times with a DEADLY WEAPON, both serious felonies in the Penal laws. There are just too many serious felonies happening and criminals let out to solve the issue.The criminals are having the time of their lives and the expense of the law abiding public. Until we're either going to build more prisons, just like we build more housing as the population grows so does the criminal population. Be safe out there.

Don't' know of any in todays world of someone going to state prison for possession of small amounts of drugs, commonly refered to as recreational quantity. State prisons are where we send the violent actors and those that sell, transport or distribute larger amounts of drug. As the courts and prosecutors have become more lenient, crime continues to rise. Population increases and prison cells are pretty stagnant in numbers. We literally see it every day so many being arrested and let go without bail. Not that ability alone helps unless it so high it keeps the violent offenders in. The answer by some is to make a serious crimethat is a felony and make it a misdemeanor so that the jails don't overflow. Thats working great as car hijackers, that are committing ROBBERY and many times with a DEADLY WEAPON, both serious felonies in the Penal laws. There are just too many serious felonies happening and criminals let out to solve the issue.The criminals are having the time of their lives and the expense of the law abiding public. Until we're either going to build more prisons, just like we build more housing as the population grows so does the criminal population. Be safe out there.

“The criminals are having the time of their lives and the expense of the law abiding public. Until we're either going to build more prisons, just like we build more housing as the population grows so does the criminal population. Be safe out there.“

Maybe at least a part of the answer is to make the laws regarding protection of one’s person and property a bit more sensible. Two things immediately come to mind that would aid in that:

1. If it is provable that a criminal was killed during the commission of a felony, or to prevent loss of life or substantial bodily harm to the intended victim or others, then the person who stopped the crime from happening will be forever immune from criminal prosecution for the act in question; and

2. Anyone who acts in the manner above to stop a felony in progress or to prevent loss of life or substantial bodily harm to the intended victim or others, shall be exempt from all civil lawsuits on the part of the perpetrator’s family or by the perpetrator, in the event that the perpetrator survived the incident.

Draconian? Maybe. But all too often, in all too many jurisdictions, the law has proven itself either incapable or unwilling to protect the law-abiding citizenry.

Absolutely ! Saw "it" evolving for at least the last 20-25 years in three different states. Must add, state universities where I taught definitely had a different administrative "political flavor" than I experienced at two private universities and one private college !

We should farm out our prisoners to Japan! They don't heat the cells and use punishment when necessary to improve the attitude and psychology of their prisoners with the intent of releasing them ONLY when they can resume a productive life in Japanese society.

Maybe paying teachers better salaries and having more competition for teachers' jobs would HELP turn young CHILDREN into BETTER, more productive, smarter, and happier well-adjusted ADULTS ?
..........OH Yes, I forgot we don't REALLY want that because our TAXES might have to go up a notch.