Gun could have fired without trigger being pulled.
 

Potential modifications to the firing mechanism of the gun prompted dismissal of charges against Baldwin, source tells CNN | CNN

Just saw this. It deserves its own thread as Alec Baldwin has been pretty much tried and found guilty already by some. This hopefully will counteract that.

It was a stage/prop gun, so at some point it would have been fired during the movie production...

So the FBI gun inspection report was wrong?

Looks like it. And they may be investigating who and why the trigger was modified.

Well.
If I was in prison on the evidence of an FBI "Gun Expert" my lawyer would be filing my new appeal first thing Monday morning!

We will have to get more facts on that but you are probably right that many defense lawyers and jailhouse ones are looking at this situation with new hope for their own cases.

Yes... I'll trust "a source at CNN" rather than an actual gun expert at the FBI...

Can we all say hearsay.

Fox News on Alec Baldwin developments.
 

Alec Baldwin'''s '''Rust''' criminal charges officially dropped; director injured in fatal shooting spotted on set | Fox News

I rarely watch Fox News but did check this.

They are just reporting the same story as everyone else...

I realize that you do want Baldwin to be innocent... But that doesn't male it so...

OJ was found to be "not guilty", but we all know how that went down...

Alex Baldwin is innocent until proven guilty. And OJ obviously murdered those two people. Baldwin murdered no one that I know of.

Alec shot a woman to death without checking to see if the revolver he pointed at her was loaded with live rounds. It was not during a "take" or filming. He was carelessly fooling around with the gun. He was charged not with murder, but involuntary homicide.

CNN? The primary source of fake news? lol

Alec killed the woman with a revolver. A revolver's hammer must first be pulled back, then released to fire a round whether it is a single or double action weapon.

I am going with the FBI lab on this one.

Yet OJ was found to be "not guilty"...

Some of the replies indicate a lack of knowledge just how a single action revolver works.....

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how a single action revolver works before or after some unspecified modifications?

If you have some additional information, please share!

If it's a "single action" revolver, the hammer MUST be manually set back by hand...

Changes to the trigger will have ZERO effect on this fact...

Now, it the revolver was a "double action", that would require more than just "some trigger modifications"...

Can a Gun Discharge without Pulling the Trigger?

Think he/she knows of what she/he writes.

Exactly

I smell a white envelope full of money! That Prosecutor needs to be investigated by the FBI….

how did a live bullet get in the gun?

Overblown
 

I worked in the business for 35 years and during that time there were many sets that had firearms. I don't know if the trigger was pulled or not and even if that is the important issue. The full responsibility is on the person who in charge with handling these guns. On the sets I worked on the prop master, or his assistant would show up on the set just before they were ready to shoot, show the talent that the gun was empty and wait around until they were finished and collect it. The mere fact that any other than the armorer had access put the blame squarely on them. There was another question where the gun was aimed. I wasn't there but in most cases it's the director or the cinematographer who will direct the actor on everything to achieve the shot they're looking for. I was on a dark roof top one night where a crew member fell down a five-story building airshaft, we broke for lunch as the fire department got him out and when right back up to finish the shot under the same conditions. The bottom line even though someone died on this shoot, this whole thing was overblown since a star was involved. Movie sets can be dangerous places to work, long hours, fast pace, and young crews, what could possibly go wrong.

Justice is whatever they decide it is.
 

as jack once said, " you ( we) can't handle the truth".

There is still the question of why there was a live round in the firearm and why there was live ammunition on the set in the first place. The media loves to speculate. Readers should discount every article that uses the words, possible, may have, could have, might be, conceivable, hypothetical, feasible, etc. and stick to the known facts.

No, he is still guilty.
 

Each and every person who touches the gun is responsible to check if a gun is loaded. For instance as soon as person A takes the gun from where it was sitting or being stored, Person A checks the gun, Now person A hands the gun to person B and just before the hand off, Person A rechecks the gun in view of person B, who takes the gun and checks it again. ETC right up to the very last person to get the gun, and while the gun is with the last person, any time this person might set the gun aside for a while, they need to check it again, and then when returning the gun back to it’s storage location, and again recheck the gun before giving it to the armorer, who again checks the gun before storing the gun. The long and short of it, it takes mere seconds to visually inspect a gun to ensure it is empty, and it should never be assumed to be empty until you visually inspect the gun yourself. As far as Mr. Baldwin is concerned, he was the last person receiving the gun, it is his responsibility to check the gun that ended up killing and injuring those two people. The fatal discharge falls firmly in Mr. Baldwin’s lap and nobody else’s.

Expensive
 

Unfortunately you would have been in jail (after being processed), (Baldwin may have gotten preferential treatment), wrongfully, and had the expense of a lawyer and bail. Perhaps have been fired from your job and have the suspicion of some neighbors. Maybe your child would be excluded from events, etc. This whole thing was mishandled.

And how does live ammunition get on any movie site,,,

He still had some responsibility. First, it is ALWAYS the responsibility of a person holding a gun to know if it's loaded. That responsibility cannot be farmed out to another party. Second, guns should never be pointed at someone else unless you intend to fire at them.

I'd would not trust either.. (cnn or fbi)

I would trust neither !

Failed the basics of gun safety
 

1. ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FIREARM POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION.


2. TREAT ALL FIREARMS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED.


3. KEEP YOUR TRIGGER FINGER OUTSIDE THE GUARD AND OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO FIRE.

4. BE CERTAIN OF YOUR TARGET, YOUR LINE OF FIRE, AND WHAT LIES BEYOND YOUR TARGET.

He pulled the trigger and a woman died.

I don't understand why he was charged in the first place. There was absolutely no intent involved on his part.

US prosecutors formally drop charges against Alec Baldwin | Courts News | Al Jazeera

He did not pull the trigger. If he had then they would not have dropped the case. These prosecutors were seeking a big win regardless of the facts.

You do know that CNN reported the news, they didn't drop the charges. You'll be happy to know the case against him can be reopened.

What a vicious comment.

I agree, but even if he had, there shouldn't have been live ammo in the gun. Actors point and pull triggers all day long on movie sets. The idea that Alec Baldwin would deliberately shoot that woman is ridiculous.

You do realize it was a prop gun on a movie set, right? Apparently there is some question whether he pulled the trigger and reason to believe the mechanism had been modified.

Movie set - make believe - perhaps not a real gun - certainly should not have had real ammunition - supposedly the safety expert on the set had certified that the gun was safe. Somewhat similar to playing cowboys and indians or cops and robbers as a kid in your backyard.

So.....he pulled the hammer back and did not pull the trigger?
The hammer on a single action pistol must be pulled back before the pistol can be fired!!!!!
The case demonstrates lack of firearm understanding and the use, abuse or hide behind the law lawyering!!!

The gun supposedly was modified so the trigger did not need to be pulled for it to go off. The person who made that modification is the one who should face the music for the death of the woman and the injury to the man and the rush to judgment by fame seeking prosecutors.

So how exactly does a single action revolver fire? I know, apparently you don't.

_SOMETHING_ has to strike the primer.

They don't just go off at random.

Did he pull the hammer most of the way and let go? That would qualify as "not pulling the trigger".

Did he strike the hammer with his palm and push it into primer? Because while it's true guns could go off before the blocking mechanisms were added, this was due to something striking the hammer. I.E. the gun was dropped and the hammer hit the ground and pushed into the primer.