July 1 Law
 

Bill 1718 comes into effect soon. Pool companies, landscaping companies, driveway pavers and even Villages Construction groups will have to use E-Verify or face stiff financial penalties and further prosecution. If you are thinking of one of these projects…get er done! Employers can be fined 1,000 dollars per worker, per day if they violate the new immigration law.

Why???? So you can hurry up and support illegal aliens?????

Not really, some are in the middle of completing projects without the realization of the new law that was signed in May. We hadn’t really thought of it because the norm has always been the other way. But, I certainly see your point😀

Interesting to check your personal response:

A) Get the job finished before the labor pool shrinks and costs more
B) follow the rules first, and the system will work for everybody equally . .

Now if your response is an A response, think about why:
most likely its low cost and an acceptable small wait period due to abundant cheap labor
you personally feel good about getting good value for your dollar and in a reasonable time

Now if your response is a B response, think about why:
most likely its about the fairness, equality, country, control

Now thinks about why the two are in conflict in your mind:
When I apply for a management job, I have to provide legal identification and proof of eligibility to work
After I fill out the form, I feel its a pain in the ass, but some comfort that there are eligibility gates for people coming for your income.

But when I am paying out for the job, I prefer good value, cheap labor who performs well.
I don't care about the labor details of the people, as long as its cheap and well done.

Your typical human response is B is good for the country and the citizens, but A is good for me. .
The national economic strategy is best value for your hard earned money. . but does how enter your decision?


This is how most people think/feel. . but if you have to pick one, which do you pick?
everyone follows the rules, no special treatment or loopholes, or good value for your hard earned money, the cheaper the better no matter how its achieved?

if you take the time to really analyze the source of your thoughts and feelings,
they might well be in conflict as described above. . . which should make BOTH sides of your brain hurt

just food for thought about your social contract when buying services.

Or Option C

C) fix the legal immigration system so this class of workers can come into the country legally, based on the need in the country.

That requires answer B with central planning, ie, the CCP model, based upon the need of the country. Answer C is an avoidance of the question, with abstract goals, typical senior management answer where the solution and execution doesn't work. .

next

:boom:
To circumvent vent the law, but not answering the question, my former HR Director wife's answer to Bill 1718 is to avoid contracting with companies and hire the illegal alien directly, paying with cash under the table, of course.

ymmv

Note that the law will only apply to employers with 25 or more employees. I suspect that larger companies will circumvent the law by hiring smaller companies to do a lot of their work.

We have a major problem getting people to work. So why don't we make it easy for these people to come into the country legally? They are willing to do the jobs that most Americans do not want to do. They pay taxes from their pay and when they buy stuff. MOST just want what we want, peace, safety and a place to raise a family without the fear of being killed.

It affects employers with over 25 employees.

:bigbow:

This was clearly written a long time ago……..

The United States prides itself on being a nation of immigrants, and the country has a long history of successfully absorbing people from across the globe. The integration of immigrants and their children contributes to our economic vitality and our vibrant and ever changing culture.

I heard our new illegals aren't allowed to work for 1 year, we just take of them?

I have always wondered why The Villages uses contractors for much of the regular work - pool and landscape maintenance in particular.

How can it be cheaper, when each operation must employ dozens of people full time, to farm them out to third party companies?

The Villages even hires a licensed electrical contractor to change the light bulbs. This could probably be done by one Villages employee.

I understand that an E-Verify check is easy and can be done in a few minutes. So, why would the law apply only to companies with 25 or more employees? Are they trying to discriminate against large companies? Or, are they encouraging small companies to violate the law by hiring illegals. It seems to defy logic.

Will be interesting to see how many companies currently employing >25 will split into several companies employing <25

My guess is that there will be almost no enforcement of the law, like other Florida laws.

I'm still trying to figure out how to get my $500 for every telemarketing phone call I receive, as per another unenforceable law.

Seems to me they're encouraging large companies to "pass the buck" by subcontracting to smaller companies, thus driving up prices as the larger companies become the middle-man and take their cut of the tab.

Home Depot already does this, and has been doing it for ages. When you buy new flooring from Home Depot and it includes installation, the 3 guys who come to your house aren't Home Depot employees. They're subcontractors who typically work for a company with fewer than 10 employees total.

If the guys are your house are undocumented immigrants, YOU won't ever know. Because they're not obligated to show their "papers" to YOU.

Back in the early 2000's, if I remember the time frame correctly, while living in Tennessee, there was a labor shortage in the state and in particular the larger cities. There were a number of news reports about the shortage and one that was interesting was a restaurant in Nashville was having difficulty hiring and keeping a dish washer. The restaurant had to pay a college student $10.00 an hour to take the job. At that time that was a pretty good hourly rate for that area. Granted there were no benefits but for a college student it paid more money than a lot of other service industry jobs. It wasn't too much later that the city was flooded with illegals who worked for a lot less an hour than a legal citizen would accept and a lot of legal citizens lost jobs.
About 8 years ago, while still living in Tennessee, we had to have a new roof on our house. We contracted with a roofer to have the work done. The guy doing the roofing work for the contractor had been a roofing contractor himself just year earlier. All his competition laid off their legal citizen workers and hired illegals. They were paying less than what a citizen would work for and were able to underbid him because he refused to hire illegals, employing only citizens that cost more in labor. His business folded as he refused to hire illegals.
I worked in real estate for a couple years in the late 80's. When I toured new construction, the workers building the new homes were American citizens. That all changed in the early 2000's when illegals started flooding the area. The only legal citizens on the work sites were the contractor and his foreman and the electricians and plumbers because they required licensing which was very difficult for an illegal to obtain. All these jobs for legal citizens were lost because the illegals work for less money.
They aren't doing jobs Americans won't do, they are working jobs Americans won't do for the wage being offered. Pay a decent wage and Americans will do the work. Of course that will mean the product/service will cost more and that is unacceptable because everyone wants everything as cheap as they can possibly get it. That is why nearly everything in the stores are made in China.
The argument that illegals are only doing jobs Americans won't do is just to justify the questionable morality of people who are willing to let illegals come into the country so they can be exploited for their willingness to work for lower wages.
My tirade is getting a bit long but one more observation. When I started working for the State of Tennessee, the people that cleaned the offices were Americans. The contractors discovered that illegals worked for a lot less and suddenly there were no more Americans cleaning the building. A lot of American citizens lost jobs to illegals because of greed by employers and Americans demanding cheaper products and services.

Bingo

This take/analysis is post on correct the key is highlighted in bold


Absolutely correct, so the result is that the MSM paid by corporations or who get their income from corporates tell you the story with a slight of words that Americans don't want to be hired or work.

what you read is not always the real story or reasons, but ones that corporates who are willing to exploit anyone wants you to hear.

Corps only want a 30-30-30 employee
30 years old
30 years experience
$30K per year

Fooq that!

Stupid law with all the fancy frills with no teeth!

. The restaurant had to pay a college student $10.00 an hour to take the job. At that time that was a pretty good hourly rate for that area. Granted there were no benefits but for a college student it paid more money than a lot of other service industry jobs. It wasn't too much later that the city was flooded with illegals who worked for a lot less an hour than a legal citizen would accept and a lot of legal citizens lost jobs.

They aren't doing jobs Americans won't do, they are working jobs Americans won't do for the wage being offered. Pay a decent wage and Americans will do the work. Of course that will mean the product/service will cost more and that is unacceptable because everyone wants everything as cheap as they can possibly get it. That is why nearly everything in the stores are made in China.

The argument that illegals are only doing jobs Americans won't do is just to justify the questionable morality of people who are willing to let illegals come into the country so they can be exploited for their willingness to work for lower wages.

My tirade is getting a bit long but one more observation. When I started working for the State of Tennessee, the people that cleaned the offices were Americans. The contractors discovered that illegals worked for a lot less and suddenly there were no more Americans cleaning the building. A lot of American citizens lost jobs to illegals because of greed by employers and Americans demanding cheaper products and services.[/QUOTE]

And yet with all of the so-called job loss due to illegal immigrants stealing our work, we still enjoy an average of 3% unemployment. I don't see how the illegals are hurting our economy or stealing work. How about a kid making $20 an hour to work at Mcdonald's? It's no wonder a Big Mac and fries are around $10 a meal. There's work out there for anyone who looks for it. The problem is we have many that would rather stay home and collect unemployment instead of working. Too many people believe they are owed something in life, and I say that we owe them nothing.

You can not have a functioning legal immigration system with wide open borders.

This country has had a long and very successful history of setting immigration policies to match employment needs. It resulted in decades of rising standard of living and creating the greatest industrial power in the world. We won WW2 primarily because of our ability to produce armaments.

In the three years following the Battle of Midway, the Japanese built six aircraft carriers. The U.S. built 17. American industry provided almost two-thirds of all the Allied military equipment produced during the war: 297,000 aircraft, 193,000 artillery pieces, 86,000 tanks and two million army trucks. In four years, American industrial production, already the world's largest, doubled in size.
War Production | The War | Ken Burns | PBS

And we did that with LEGAL immigration.

Considering that we have a massive welfare state that offers free education, medical care, and so much more, the de facto policy of today that all 8 billion people in the world have a implicit right to come our country with virtually no screening is INSANE!

It is evident that the only “immigrants” who have the right are those coming across the southern border. Those pending real immigrants , the ones being mistreated are those from other countries who applied for legal immigration by applying at a US embassy. They are the ones being mistreated as they are waiting years to legally enter the country. As we all know, if you arrive on an international flight or ship from a foreign country, try getting past US Customs at port of entry without the proper legal documents. You can’t.

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson View Post
We have a major problem getting people to work. So why don't we make it easy for these people to come into the country legally? They are willing to do the jobs that most Americans do not want to do. They pay taxes from their pay and when they buy stuff. MOST just want what we want, peace, safety and a place to raise a family without the fear of being killed.


This was clearly written a long time ago……..

The United States prides itself on being a nation of immigrants, and the country has a long history of successfully absorbing people from across the globe. The integration of immigrants and their children contributes to our economic vitality and our vibrant and ever changing culture. QUOTE=Kelevision;2222810]:bigbow:

I wish, I wish, I wish . . .

Thank you. I felt so good reading your messages. Wish everyone remembered and lived this way.

Or treat them as independent contractors.

Papa Levi:
Exactly my sentiments, fix the law & if we need immigrants bring them in

I completely agree and I'm happy to see this post. The problem is a large part of the population has been trained to be frightened of people who are not white and shiny because they are "rapists and murderers."

WE DO NOT HAVE OPEN BORDERS. Those of us who don't have a problem with immigrants don’t want open borders, we just want immigration policies that make sense. A good place to start is admitting that we need immigrant labor. If you don’t think so talk to a farmer. In order for immigrants to stop acting as a wage suppressant, we might try treating them like human beings rather than things that exist purely for the purpose of exploitation.

Another part of the equation would be foreign policy objectives that seek to help stabilize the economies of countries where asylum-seekers are coming from. The current crisis on our southern border is due to intolerable living conditions in failing states in Central America. If we don’t deal with these tottering states the crisis will never end. Sometimes anyplace-else is better than where you are.

My friends want common sense immigration policies that treat immigrant labor with simple humanity rather than crass exploitation. This is a country built by immigrants. It seems to me that an immovable anti-immigrant position is just a denial of our historical legacy.

CAUSE THIS IS AMERIKA!!!! WE DON'T DO THAT WOKE KIND OF THINKING HERE!
As far as providing an environment promoting peace, safety, to raise a family the Bible says:.....huh...oh wait...ah never mind:doh::doh:

I find that when people resort to ad hominem accusations in a discourse it is usually because they do not have logic, reason or facts to validate their opinion.

It’s already easy for these people to come into our country. Not all are willing to work because they are bring illegal and deadly drugs into our country and are human traffickers. 60 billion a year untaxed dollars are going back to Mexico . They use our services and don’t pay income taxes . Hope that helps you choose correctly.

Immigration
 

The United States prides itself on LEGAL Immigrants, not ILLEGAL Immigrants who have broken our laws by not going through the legal process. They're criminals not citizens.

YES WE DO.
Border patrol chief says DHS does not have 'operational control' over southern border

Border patrol chief says DHS does not have 'operational control' over southern border | WCTI
And for the cartels it is great for business
Color-coded passage: Why smugglers are tagging U.S.-bound migrants with wristbands | Reuters
And one of the obvious signs is the increase in overdoses.
Opioid Crisis Worse Now Than Ever: Drug Overdose Deaths Spike Amid Fentanyl Surge

Social Contract?
 

What is a social contract? Where can I get my executed copy?

One thing to note: the Department of Labor no longer includes those in their report people who have quit looking for work. Thus, 3% unemployment.

There are two main unemployment rates (U-3 and U-6). People no longer looking for work are included in the U-6 rate. That rate is over 6%.

Most of the illegals live off of our taxes for quite some time after they come into our country. Right now, NYC is putting the illegals up in expensive hotels, they are given money, phone, free health care, free school, etc.. all on our dime. Then some people want to hire illegals under the table so they don’t pay taxes. I think a lot of illegals don’t pay taxes mainly because if they don’t have a social security #, then they don’t pay taxes. Now congress is thinking about giving illegals social security when social security is going to run into financial issues in 2034.
Anybody living here, needs to work, pay taxes and pay into social security and before anybody gets a dime off the tax payers that work

The credit card
 

Almost all of the illegal who cross the border are coming here for a better life.
If you were in their shoes, you would do the same.
For a better life you need a job.
The people who are coming across the Rio Grande River know they will be employed before their clothes dry.
What needs to be done and will probably take about two years to implement is to bring social security cards into the 21st. century. Instead of that thin piece of card broad disintegrating in your wallet replace it with plastic with a chip and a strip.
I purchase something or a service person come over and swipes my card within minutes I receive an e-mail the vendors name and the amount.
Before an employer hire someone he will have to scan the employee's card. Also forget the $1,000 fine, make it 15K for each person working illegally and that not only border crosser that is also people working off the books. Whomever reports this activity will receive 1/2 of the total fine, even if it's an illegal. This is not a foreign concept; Texas is using a reward system like this to control abortions.
In the future these cards can replace a number of cards, it will even let you vote at your local ATM.
You take away the lure of employment and illegal immigrants will slow down to a trickle.