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golfing eagles 07-05-2023 03:33 PM

Media collusion
 
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

oldtimes 07-05-2023 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

It’s not collusion it’s click-bait. It’s all about the number of clicks they can get. There is no such thing as news anymore.

Bill14564 07-05-2023 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.


Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

I believe you misread the article. No one (other than you) said it was hotter 44 years ago than it was yesterday, they are saying one particular way of measuring temperature was first used in 1979. That particular measure shows that 1979 was cooler, 2016 held the previous record, and the record was broken yesterday.

golfing eagles 07-05-2023 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2232287)
It’s not collusion it’s click-bait. It’s all about the number of clicks they can get. There is no such thing as news anymore.

Partially true. But it seems that they are always seeking those clicks from pushing a certain narrative------ one that the media, university professors and so-called bicoastal elites all tend to support.

golfing eagles 07-05-2023 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2232288)
I believe you misread the article. No one (other than you) said it was hotter 44 years ago than it was yesterday, they are saying one particular way of measuring temperature was first used in 1979. That particular measure shows that 1979 was cooler, 2016 held the previous record, and the record was broken yesterday.

That's NOT what they stated.

Let's walk everyone through this the easy way, my fault for skipping from A to C

The headline stated hottest day ever. The article said hottest day since 1979. Simple logic states that if yesterday was the hottest day since 1979, there were hotter days in or before 1979.

Now, if they started using one particular metric for temperature in 1979, 44 years of this "record" proves absolutely nothing in a cycle of 4.5 million years. And I would suggest (not prove) that other metrics might have a different result, but this one was cherry picked to push their false narrative

fdpaq0580 07-05-2023 04:20 PM

Some people see conspiracies when none exist.

Bill14564 07-05-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232292)
That's NOT what they stated.

Let's walk everyone through this the easy way, my fault for skipping from A to C

The headline stated hottest day ever. The article said hottest day since 1979. Simple logic states that if yesterday was the hottest day since 1979, there were hotter days in or before 1979.

Now, if they started using one particular metric for temperature in 1979, 44 years of this "record" proves absolutely nothing in a cycle of 4.5 million years. And I would suggest (not prove) that other metrics might have a different result, but this one was cherry picked to push their false narrative

Your "simple logic" breaks down when you read the article and see that the records only go back to 1979.

As for 4.5 million years, I assume that is based on "proxy data" similar to that mentioned in the articles that say yesterday may have been the hottest in 125,000 years.

Yes, "hottest day ever" absolutely was an exaggeration since the day the earth was created it was certainly hotter than it was yesterday. They should have used, "hottest day since modern humans walked the earth," or, "hottest day in recorded history," or, "hottest day that any of us have ever experienced," but those use a lot of words and room on the page.

Three articles:

Earth's hottest day? July 4 set a record, scientists say
It comes as scientists say the planet is the hottest it has been in roughly 125,000 years. Experts believe more heat records will fall this summer.

On Tuesday, Earth's average temperature rose to 62.9 degrees, according to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer, a tool based on satellite data and computer simulations. That's the highest temperature for that data set since records began in 1979.
This July 4 was hot. Earth’s hottest day on record, in fact.
Tuesday was the hottest day on Earth since at least 1979, with the global average temperature reaching 62.92 degrees Fahrenheit, according to data from the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction.

As a result, some scientists believe July 4 may have been one of the hottest days on Earth in around 125,000 years,
The planet saw its hottest day ever this week. The record will be broken again and again
On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.

Keefelane66 07-05-2023 04:34 PM

“On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.“

It’s all about how one interprets what they might read.

golfing eagles 07-05-2023 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2232300)
Your "simple logic" breaks down when you read the article and see that the records only go back to 1979.

As for 4.5 million years, I assume that is based on "proxy data" similar to that mentioned in the articles that say yesterday may have been the hottest in 125,000 years.

Yes, "hottest day ever" absolutely was an exaggeration since the day the earth was created it was certainly hotter than it was yesterday. They should have used, "hottest day since modern humans walked the earth," or, "hottest day in recorded history," or, "hottest day that any of us have ever experienced," but those use a lot of words and room on the page.

Three articles:

Earth's hottest day? July 4 set a record, scientists say
It comes as scientists say the planet is the hottest it has been in roughly 125,000 years. Experts believe more heat records will fall this summer.

On Tuesday, Earth's average temperature rose to 62.9 degrees, according to the University of Maine’s Climate Reanalyzer, a tool based on satellite data and computer simulations. That's the highest temperature for that data set since records began in 1979.
This July 4 was hot. Earth’s hottest day on record, in fact.
Tuesday was the hottest day on Earth since at least 1979, with the global average temperature reaching 62.92 degrees Fahrenheit, according to data from the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction.

As a result, some scientists believe July 4 may have been one of the hottest days on Earth in around 125,000 years,
The planet saw its hottest day ever this week. The record will be broken again and again
On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.

Maybe it should have said hottest day since we changed methodology to push a narrative in 1979

kansasr 07-05-2023 04:45 PM

Oh my god, I had better check under my bed. There's probably a weatherman under there spreading false heat.

Keefelane66 07-05-2023 04:45 PM

“Florida fried again by record heat Wednesday as sultry humidity makes it feel over 110 degrees

Heat Advisories stretch across much of the Florida Peninsula, from Jacksonville to Orlando to Tampa to Miami, through Wednesday evening. Already, Marathon, Florida, reached a heat index of 114 degrees.
By Scott Sistek
Source FOX Weather”

And, we in a 7 year cooling trend.

ThirdOfFive 07-05-2023 05:25 PM

Bottom line...

They ain't got no bleepin clue!

Bogie Shooter 07-05-2023 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2232310)
Bottom line...

They ain't got no bleepin clue!

Nor do the above posters…….:a040:

Should have added, and all those that follow.

fdpaq0580 07-05-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2232306)
Oh my god, I had better check under my bed. There's probably a weatherman under there spreading false heat.

Love it!

Bjeanj 07-05-2023 06:48 PM

Here’s what I know

It’s hotter than heck these days, so I go to the pool or stay in a/c.
Climate change , if it is occurring, is going to be life-changing only after I die.
Nothing I can do about it, so I won’t worry about it.
Collusion? Really?
Do you pore over articles just to find conspiracies behind every article? Don’t you have anything better to do?
Weak-minded people? Really?

golfing eagles 07-05-2023 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjeanj (Post 2232324)
Here’s what I know

It’s hotter than heck these days, so I go to the pool or stay in a/c.
Climate change , if it is occurring, is going to be life-changing only after I die.
Nothing I can do about it, so I won’t worry about it.
Collusion? Really?
Do you pore over articles just to find conspiracies behind every article? Don’t you have anything better to do?
Weak-minded people? Really?

Yes, weak minded. The planet has been warming for the last 20,000 years. If anyone believes this is due to SUVs, I have a bridge to sell them

And btw, I was just looking at the hourly weather forecast and the banner had that idiotic “hottest day ever “ headline was staring back at me.

Perhaps it’s not collusion, but the media seems to be pushing certain narratives

Stu from NYC 07-05-2023 08:48 PM

Close the journalism schools they have lost objectivity

Taltarzac725 07-05-2023 09:17 PM

Why July 3, 2023 was Earth’s hottest day – NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth

They are reporting science as given to them by well respected sources. I do not see any conspiracies here.

Conspiracies exist but usually involve a small amount of people who benefit from them. Like the one to take out Julius Caesar on the Ides of March. History is full of very real conspiracies.

Global warming is not one of them.

Crazy Conspiracy Theories That Turned Out to Be True | Reader's Digest

tophcfa 07-05-2023 09:30 PM

It’s been an unusually cool summer so far up north, we finally just got the first heat wave of the season. And let’s assume for a minute that the planet is warming up just a tad bit, what’s the big deal? Last time I checked people kind of like to be warm, isn’t that what the whole snowbird thing is all about? I can’t remember hearing about a whole flock of southern humanbirds doing a mass migration north because they like the cold? And warmer weather requires less burning of fossil fuels to heat homes which should be a good thing. If anything is going to warm up the planet it would be those friggin wildfires that have been burning up hundreds of thousands of acres in Canada for the last couple of months with no end in sight.

blueash 07-05-2023 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2232341)
.... And let’s assume for a minute that the planet is warming up just a tad bit, what’s the big deal? ...

The big deal is that a tiny change in global temperature produces an enormous change in the ecosystems of this planet. Water behaves very differently at 31.9 degrees than it does at 32.1 degrees. Your own body is very sensitive to a fractional change in temperature. How do you feel with a body temp of 101?

You're certainly aware of the serious damage to coral reefs in the last decade, from a tiny change in ocean temperature. The pH of oceans is slightly becoming more acidic which will seriously disrupt the life of sea organisms which must have pH in a very narrow range, just like humans. Your blood pH should be 7.4 At 7.0 you are likely dead. Tiny changes.

So be snarky about snowbirds and heating costs, but the rate of change in the global temperature is very dramatic and the whole world's scientific community with the exception of a few owned by Koch Industries and the GOP are uniform in their assessment.

When Golfing Eagles, who should understand how to read a scientific report doesn't immediately understand that there was no collection of data on the subject of mean daily global temperature before 1979 and immediately jumps to the conclusion that there is a media conspiracy to indoctrinate us rather than getting exactly what the data says, that is scary.


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"This week saw the hottest global temperature ever recorded, according to data from two climate tracking agencies.

On Monday, the average global temperature reached 17.01 degrees Celsius (62.62 Fahrenheit), the highest in the US National Centers for Environmental Prediction’s data, which goes back to 1979. On Tuesday, it climbed even further, reaching 17.18 degrees Celsius. The previous record of 16.92 degrees Celsius was set in August 2016.

The European Union’s Copernicus Climate Change Service on Wednesday also tweeted that Monday’s global temperature was a record in its data set."
This is a very clear, easily understood, story. The highest ever recorded, no records of this data set exist prior to 1979. Simple, a caveman should be able to grasp and not misconstrue. His sentence claiming that
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In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.
GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.

When you are told the temperatures are changing in an unprecedented fashion, ignore people here and on some media who lie to you. Here is the graph of the last 2000 years. See anything unusual at the right side, the last few years. Yes, proven global warming never seen in historical times.

And the last 1/2 century, since the increase in industrialization, burning carbon fuels has the most dramatic pattern.

jebartle 07-06-2023 03:59 AM

Let's see, this was based on a weather mans interpretation, a profession that has been known to be WRONG a few times, lol.

Sabella 07-06-2023 04:15 AM

Truth Matters
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

Thank you hopefully your brilliant and truthful statement will enlighten some people

Worldseries27 07-06-2023 04:29 AM

Learned a few things.
1. The definition of hot
air
2. If your position is
99.99⁹⁹⁹% correct, to
others your still
wrong.
3. I want a study of how
much warmer the
planet will get if the
nukes go off.

golfing eagles 07-06-2023 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 2232351)
Thank you hopefully your brilliant and truthful statement will enlighten some people

Obviously not, just look at that ridiculous post #20

Dahabs 07-06-2023 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232358)
Obviously not, just look at that ridiculous post #20

Wouldn't want actual facts to obscure our chosen narrative now would we.

golfing eagles 07-06-2023 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2232344)

GE is 100% completely wrong. It was not hotter on a day 44 years ago than it was yesterday. Those of us who accept the science are not the misguided ones. Only GE seems to not understand that the phrase since 1979 does not mean it was hotter in 1978. And he came here to pontificate and rail about media collusion when in reality, REALITY, is just GE doesn't understand what his mind is unable to accept.

When you are told the temperatures are changing in an unprecedented fashion, ignore people here and on some media who lie to you. Here is the graph of the last 2000 years. See anything unusual at the right side, the last few years. Yes, proven global warming never seen in historical times.

And the last 1/2 century, since the increase in industrialization, burning carbon fuels has the most dramatic pattern.

Wow, I just have no idea where to start debunking that crap.
I didn't say it was hotter in 1978, I said if you only have temperature data OF THE TYPE QUOTED since 1979, it was probably hotter at some point prior to that. It was DEFINITELY hotter 65 million years ago, but we don't have data from then either. Then there's that pretty graph of "2000 years". Where does that data come from??? After acknowledging the data for the argument was only collected since 1979!!!! And this is referred to as "proven global warming"????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Add to that even a snapshot of 150 or even 2000 years is nothing in comparison to the climate cycles that have been repeating for the last 4.5 million years, not to mention "since 1979". Yep, what that post "proved" is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

And put that "conspiracy theorist" label to rest---I didn't post that----I posted the media is EITHER PASSIVELY or actively colluding to push certain narratives, and we all know what those narratives are and who supports them, which is why I'm not surprised by that post. So, sorry, I "understand" perfectly.

Byte1 07-06-2023 05:12 AM

I enjoy the hot weather. Unfortunately, I doubt it will get warm enough up North in the mountains in my lifetime to get me to move back. I love the mountain forest areas to live, but I don't like cold weather, so I guess I'll have to stay here. Oh well, life goes on.
Can't believe much of what is published in the news, some of what I see and hear, and nothing of what one reads on here. But, still it is entertaining. Since we don't seem to care how much debt we leave for our children, I do not understand how anyone can get excited or concerned about how man can change the climate for future generations. Which one is one actually able to control?

golfing eagles 07-06-2023 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahabs (Post 2232360)
Wouldn't want actual facts to obscure our chosen narrative now would we.

Actually, we would, we just haven't seen any actual "facts" that prove anything.

But here's something to consider: FOLLOW THE MONEY!

The "powers that be" are pushing to spend $100 TRILLION over the next 50 years to "combat climate change". Even IF, and it's a HUGE IF, human activity was partially responsible for changing the climate, we don't have the technology to do anything meaningful to "combat" the power of the sun, Earth's orbit or changes in Earth's axis. So......who would benefit from this folly????? We know one that benefitted from this garbage 20 years ago----can anyone spell Solyndra????? And we can make good guesses as to who will continue to cash in as well.

MarcStephen 07-06-2023 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232282)
I just love how the media either passively or actively colludes with certain powers that be to push an idiotic narrative.

If you have the WFTV channel 9 weather app, the banner at the top of the hourly forecast reads "Tuesday set global record for hottest day ever" OMG!!!! The climate change weenies must have been right all along!!! Chicken Little, the sky is falling!!!!

Until..... you click on it and find out it was the hottest global temperature since 1979

In other words, for all the misguided climate change believers out there, IT WAS HOTTER ON A DAY 44 YEARS AGO THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY. So much for the inexecrable temperature rise that is steadily leading us to extinction.

Yet, the media and those in power that will benefit from spending $100 TRILLION on this folly just go merrily along pushing their false narrative. But what's worse is that the force can have a profound effect on the weak-minded.

I seem to recall that at one time our continent was covered in glacial ice that has been receded. This means that the earth has been on a warming trend for a very very long time while ensuring cold cycles. I think if we all want to extend our retirement funds, let’s all invest in companies looking to cool the earth. I’d be curious what the return on the investment would be?

CoachKandSportsguy 07-06-2023 05:34 AM

Science these days is all about funding research. . yes, funding research from the government. There are limited jobs for scientists in the corporate world . . .

How else does one get funding these days is through perceived crises and funding research about it. .

However,
The earth has been warming slowly since the last ice age,
The thermometer is at max 200 years old. . . amazingly
A volcanic eruption puts more bad stuff into the atmosphere in one eruption than what you can personally prevent if you devoted your entire life to preventing bad stuff
The earth can only support X million of humans before going beyond the tipping point.
The tipping point is an unknown event after which the population will dramatically decline back to a more sustainable level
If for any reason the world runs out of oil, there will be mass starvation. .

So panicking early is better than being led to the extinction event like a dinosaur. .

YMMV

golfing eagles 07-06-2023 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MarcStephen (Post 2232366)
I seem to recall that at one time our continent was covered in glacial ice that has been receded. This means that the earth has been on a warming trend for a very very long time while ensuring cold cycles. I think if we all want to extend our retirement funds, let’s all invest in companies looking to cool the earth. I’d be curious what the return on the investment would be?

In about 45-70,000 years. Since the current ICE AGE began 4.5 million years ago, we have had cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws lasting 60-100,000 years. This has repeated at least a dozen times since the last time the poles were ice free. The current thaw began about 20,000 years ago, and we are still on the warming curve. in about 20-25,000 years the temp will peak, and yes, our coastal cities will be under water, but NOT because Fred Flintstone drove a SUV or JD Rockefeller hit oil, unless anyone is naive enough to believe we have hit our current level of technology a dozen times in the last 4.5 million years and then wiped ourselves out with internal combustion engines. (but there are probably some climate change nut jobs that believe that). After that peak, we will cool again and 40,000 years or so later our northeastern coastal cities will once again be covered by 2 miles of ice. Eventually, this cycle will be broken by forces more powerful than man. The last gargantuan shift in climate occurred due to the rise of the Rocky and Himalayan mountains about 70 million years ago, so that now our planet is about 10 degrees cooler than it was then.

But then again, according to a previous post, I don't "understand" this subject :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

NoMo50 07-06-2023 05:53 AM

Records were meant to be broken. Except perhaps Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.

golfing eagles 07-06-2023 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2232377)
Records were meant to be broken. Except perhaps Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak.

Or Nicklaus' 18 majors:thumbup:

GizmoWhiskers 07-06-2023 05:57 AM

Gotta love infraction clickbait threads that generate ToTV ad revenue. On a limb but "golfingeagles" has it right. The earth has its own historical and future track of hot/cold changes. Always has and always will. Put politics, $k-ching, and freedom on the line and you have a great text book history lesson kind of movie for future generations to eat pop-corn at while they enjoy the slow burn of present day humanity.

Dahabs 07-06-2023 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2232363)
Actually, we would, we just haven't seen any actual "facts" that prove anything.

But here's something to consider: FOLLOW THE MONEY!

The "powers that be" are pushing to spend $100 TRILLION over the next 50 years to "combat climate change". Even IF, and it's a HUGE IF, human activity was partially responsible for changing the climate, we don't have the technology to do anything meaningful to "combat" the power of the sun, Earth's orbit or changes in Earth's axis. So......who would benefit from this folly????? We know one that benefitted from this garbage 20 years ago----can anyone spell Solyndra????? And we can make good guesses as to who will continue to cash in as well.

:bowdown::bowdown:

Captainpd 07-06-2023 06:32 AM

Bloomberg controls 70% of the media. We see what he and his party wants us to see and read

ThirdOfFive 07-06-2023 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 2232351)
Thank you hopefully your brilliant and truthful statement will enlighten some people

Excellent.

Media, however it is defined, is merely passing along what passes for information from one person to another. Or, as in today, from one person to about thirty million others. But it is nothing more than that. What is interesting is how "media" functioned throughout history and there are an uncomfortable number of parallels with what is happening today.

One of my favorite examples is the Crusades. One of the primary reasons for the Crusades was not so much to spread the word of the Christian God and free Jerusalem from the infidel, but to secure trade routes for the powers-that-were in Europe at the time. Crusades of course demand soldiers, and soldiers need to be motivated. Dunno about the rest of you, but "God wills it!" seems to be much more motivating than "Let's secure those trade routes!"

It is no different today. Emotion sways far more people, unfortunately, than does reason.

glsatterlee 07-06-2023 07:04 AM

Warmer a 1000 years ago
 
Norway's melting glaciers continue to reveal incredible archaeological finds. Now, evidence of a Viking settlement high up in the Norwegian mountains has been discovered and dated by archaeologists.

Discovered in June 2021.
Testing of the charcoal confirmed there had been centrally-placed hearths inside, and also allowed radiocarbon dating. All five samples sent were dated to between the years 750 and 1150, covering the full timeline of the Viking Age.

It must’ve been much warmer back, than for them to be living there before the glaciers came. How can that be, there were no cars heating up the atmosphere then?

Viking Village Discovered in the Norwegian Mountains - Life in Norway

CoachKandSportsguy 07-06-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by glsatterlee (Post 2232408)
Norway's melting glaciers continue to reveal incredible archaeological finds. Now, evidence of a Viking settlement high up in the Norwegian mountains has been discovered and dated by archaeologists.

Viking Village Discovered in the Norwegian Mountains - Life in Norway

histrionic scientists looking for funding research projects talk about the historical rise in temperature.

The earth's wobble in many orbital and spinning dimensions might have something to to with the warming. . .

There is still time to panic though

daniel200 07-06-2023 07:16 AM

It is a conspiracy. I have seen/experienced far too many 500 year weather events and floods. These “accu weather” people are conspiring to make me feel really old.


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