Global Warming. Really?
 

It's early in the season, but Anchorage Alaska has already seen record breaking amounts of snowfall. Some areas, surrounding the city, accumulated two feet within two days. A snow emergency has been declared. Is El Niño the cause? Do you think the scientists who support the theory of global warming are staring at their monitors in disbelief? Strange thing, I did not see this reported on the news as often as this summer's record breaking heat. Any thoughts on why?

I consider myself an analytical and open minded person, but I have never seen a convincing argument either for or against global warming, climate change, or whatever you want to call it. The amount of snow in Alaska in one year doesn't even come close to convincing me of anything. And, a lot of people seem to have a personal agenda that makes it even harder to convince me of anything related to climate change.

That's why it has been convenient to rename the agenda as "Climate Change" so that they can be "technically" correct, no matter what the weather outcome. Some are predicting one of our coldest winters this year. Personally, I would be fine with some warming, whether global or otherwise. I moved here for the warm/hot temps.

Summer heat is Global Warming.
Winter snow is Climate Change.
I personally think winter weather has something to do with it! :shrug:

One obvious question is "what does the snowfall amount have to do with global warming?" In the winter in Anchorage, it is almost always cold enough to snow. Snowfall is related to precipitation, not temperature.

I understand.I am concerned about El Niño. I have relatives in San Clemente and Pittsburgh. They told me it has been a little colder than normal. In the Villages, we had some chilly nights, as well. I am wondering if we are going to have a crazy winter. I have lived in Florida all my life and have experienced a few years of wicked cold. I am not looking forward to it happening, again. It seems El Niño was always the cause.

Just a guess that may not be correct.... Warming seas and air means more evaporation and more moisture in the air. More moisture means more precipitation. And of course, more precipitation in Alaska often means more snowfall.

El Nino has certainly been a factor influencing weather here in UK this summer.
Cool, lots of rain, and strong winds.
Cold and wet again today, and if it carries on like this through winter reckon we may have quite a lot of snow as well.

When you call in Climate Change and not Global Warming, it makes perfect sense.

Believe what you want. Fact is no one here is going to do anything about it one way or the other, other than lip service, that is. Just keep your El Nino (or El Nina) off my lawn.

Yes, you can’t argue climate change, cause climate will always change. Depending on what area you in it can be good or bad thing.

......and Excremento de perro

Depends on which graph you pull up and how set up scale.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...wing-620px.png

As you can see the rise on bigger scale now were near top of highest earth average temperatures.

Now when you create scale in tenths of degree the outcome looks totally different.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...118-1400px.png

i wouldn't loose any sleep over it. the Earth has been here for how long? nothing dramatic to have temp changes, it's just weather

About 5 billion years

Also when the temperature drops below 0°F for a few days in a row, you'll rarely see snow. In Alaska, it's pretty common to have 0-degree temps this time of year. The fact that it's snowing in record amounts means - it is WARM enough to snow, when normally it would not be.

I'm sure your grandchildren are going to be really pleased with this attitude when they're trying to live in a world where our generation refused to see what we are doing to the planet.

The three stages of climate change denial:

1) claim that there is no climate change; when this gets untenable go to:
2) claim there is climate change but it's not caused by human activity; when this gets untenable go to:
3) claim that there is climate change, caused by human activity, but we can do nothing about it.

It is no coincidence that each of these "beliefs" let's the believer get off without having to do anything.

Other than continually referring to it as "global warming" so they can point to a bit of snow and go back to Stage 1.

The vast majority of scientists now accept that the average temperature of the Earth is rising.

Yes, the climate has always been in a state of change, but it is the RATE of the current change that is unprecedented, and clearly linked to the amount of greenhouse gases that humans have been pumping into the atmosphere since the start of industrialization. The current rate of change is so fast that nature can't keep up.

But nothing anyone says will convince the climate change deniers that they are wrong, as being wrong means they don't have to do anything different and can continue to live profligate, wasteful lives.

When the climate change alarmists voluntarily give up their air conditioning and cell phones to further the cause, I'll start paying attention.

How will you know?

Our oldest lived in Fairbanks for 8 years. He compares weather (living in a polluted city) and current weather in Fairbanks (still polluted), stays pretty consistent

Snowfall factor remains about the same, of how many feet, small difference in glaciers, each summer both volunteered at remote glaciers, tundra’s for testing. The big difference is moose behavior, and sacred Raven snatching a 30 pound black garbage bag, or trying for one of the dogs.

Wildlife life seems to be changing to more city life, than in the past 20 years. Easy picking for garbage and meat curing outside of back doors in community

I agree. But at times it seems more than a personal agenda...more like a religious tenet. And like fundamentalists of whatever stripe, the True Believers, whatever side they're on, will defend their stand to the death regardless of fact.

Me? I'm an agnostic when it comes to this issue. But I surely wouldn't mind a few palm trees and citrus orchards in Minnesota (southern part, at least).

Notice that little line on the right that goes straight up? That is the rate of change that is being seen today that has not been seen in the recent past. There is one area 300 million years ago that might be similar but that was long enough ago that it can’t be called the recent past.

https://www.climate.gov/sites/defaul...118-1400px.png

This chart in hundred of degree so it look like we will burn in hail in couple years of actual almost 1 degree. You can find chart to backup your beliefs by pinpointing short look in time. IMO world over population and deforestation CAUSING ALL problems and will continue regardless unless we can control them.

Weather is local and snow is more contingent on moisture than the temperature

[QUOTE=blueash;2274012]Your son living in Alaska hardly qualifies you or him as an authority on climate change. If he hasn't noticed a change in Alaska's glaciers, he is not paying attention or hasn't been there long enough to know the 20th century baseline.

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If one read my post I commented on SNOWFALL hasn’t had much of a change. As has the core sample of glaciers. State of Alaska hires physicians with extensive forensic background to core test glaciers and tundra, which results have stayed consistent. The glaciers, and tundra, that he and his team were dropped off, have Never been seen by the standard visitor. It would be too dangerous to regular public, only way in is a chopper backpacks, equipment and every person has Two firearms. Every 30 days either they were picked up and moved to a different locations, or more supplies dropped.

However your thoughts on his inability means when Smithsonian published him 3 times at age 22, 24, 26, (still the youngest) the youngest published for core samples of natives of Alaska. Guessing that 6 figure salary every summer for 8 years meant they were pleased with his ability. I will admit since he was at the top of his class, and turned down numerous colleges, medical school bills were few and far between, so on that thought, maybe instead of medical, he should have thought of education in global warming, cause 8 years of six figures for 3.3 summer months of work is sometimes not worth risk of life or limb

Big difference in living in Alaskan culture for multiple years, and reading articles on the net. Plus you assume one that has educated experience to your ability to google stuff, is if lesser value.

In Alaskan territory climate change as stated is noticeable by change of behavior in moose, and ravens, since they are leaving the wild, and entering into populations of humans. Bear have always been active in communities, so climate change may or may not be an issue.

It’s also hard to determine if climate change effects the Nomadic culture, since they are continuously on the move, to search for food.

Total dribble

If you want to talk real climate change, read this.

Siberian Traps - Wikipedia

The planet had two million years of volcanic eruptions. The Siberian Traps are believed to be the primary cause of the Permian–Triassic extinction event!

And the planet is still here!

“Experts” are saying we have only 10 years left to save the planet.

Whomever coin the title global warming should be taken to the woodshed; it really is climate change.
I don't think at this point anyone can deny that the climate is changing. The question is, is this due to mankind or is this the earth going through a normal cycle.
I'm not a scientist and cannot answer that question. But what is obvious man is polluting air, land and water on the pursuit for profits.

Isn't it interesting that if one believes in the changing climate BUT does not believe that mankind is responsible, then they are labeled "deniers?" Even when one acknowledges the changing temperatures or rainfall, it is not enough. They must/MUST accept that mankind is the evil in the world causing the ultimate destruction of our ecosystem, or they are ignorant and blind. One solution I have heard on here recently was that we limit the size of human population. Sounds good to me......tell your grandkids NOT to have children. Not that this will eliminate Climate Change, but it sounds real good. To the Chicken Littles of the world, "The Sky is falling, the sky is falling!" Not denying, just don't care.

"Man" cannot profit unless there are those that are buying his(HER) product. I doubt there are very many folks out there that wish to do away with planes, trains and automobiles, environmental control. artificial light and communication. I believe that most folks enjoy their food cooked.

Man-made Climate Change = If you repeat a big lie often enough, the mindless masses will come to believe it.

Was just there in September. Wearing shorts the whole time. No jacket. Short sleeve shirt most days. Very fee glaciers to see.

I'm not suggesting that people should deprive themselves of these comforts, but if you know there a chance to have all of this without polluting everything on this planet maybe we should spend the extra buck to find a solution.
EVs are more popular in Europe, than they are here. Not because Europeans are more interested in saving the planet but because countries like Germany pay almost $7 a gallon for gas. Like I said before, it all has to do with money.

................and in UK it costs $25-$30 each time you fully charge a Tesla.

El Niño has kept FL pretty safe during hurricane season. But La Niña, his cousin, usually follows and brings more chances of hurricanes here. There is no doubt that each year has brought about hotter weather. If you lived in TV this summer you would certainly agree. But climate change is kind of like a fickle child throwing a tantrum. It was cooler in places you would expect it to be hot and hotter where you would expect it to be cold. I’ve been a resident of FL since Nov of 2017. That New Year’s Eve the temps dropped into the 20’s, a rude awakening to this transplant from NJ. Winter of 2022, into the beginning 2023, brought deep freezes that killed a lot of vegetation and costly plants here in FL. It is expected to be that way again this year. Climate change appears to be here to stay and we must learn to adapt. A huge part of the problem starts with the Rain Forest where deforestation has changed the climate and impacted our weather. Known as the lungs of the earth, it undoubtedly has been a huge contributor to the changes we are experiencing and very few people are talking about it.

Weather
 

You know the one thing about the weather, it will change. Give it a half an hour. LOL

*IF* that is true it still costs less than the equivalent amount of gasoline IN THE US! Since fuel is much more expensive in the UK, charging a Tesla is still cheaper than buying gas.

So my personal belief is that if the climate is changing in an adverse fashion to human life (it's always changing, BTW) that the way to address it is via engineering and adaptation. Thinking we can change the climate of an entire planet with EV, solar panels, and wind turbines is the height of hubris, IMO. Of course, we should look for ways to reduce pollution that meet a cost/benefit analysis. But CO2 is not a pollutant, it is a necessary component of the air we breath that supports plant life.

But I wanted to address your last point (I put it in bold). You are accusing people that don't buy into the "human caused/human fixable" climate change theory that they are "profligate and wasteful". I would like a better definition of that, and examples of how you live your life differently from those that you accuse of being "profligate and wasteful". Thanks in advance.