I'm surprised, it's been 24+ hours and.....
 

There have been no posts about the situation at the PGA tournament yesterday. First of all and most importantly, condolences to the family of the victim of the shuttle bus accident.

That being said, even though the facts aren't all known, I'll pose this question for speculation:

Scottie Scheffler----master criminal or victim of an overly exuberant police officer?

Poking the bear GE! ;)

I was thinking the same thing. My take....whether you think it was acme dacme security or a LEO, when a human being 'attaches' himself to your vehicle....you dont pull off, you stop! That part is not in dispute. As always, the devil is in the details but his Attys will make it all better

Is it possible that Scheffler had no idea that the officer "attached" himself to the vehicle?

This was posted yesterday morning.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...rested-350104/

Have you been sleeping in?

There's been a thread since about 3 hours after it occurred.

I even posted a video of Scottie in his prison garb ... walking the runway.

Everything is possible and why I said devil's in details.

Lots of blame to go around. Should be some body cam or cell phone footage surfacing at some point. Wasnt a remote country road. Chaotic scene so it will be interesting. You have the Gov and Mayor circling the waters...KY and greater Louisville stand to lose millions in economic impact if Valhalla loses this date...thus why I believe it will all be mitigated in the best interests of all parties

Speaking for myself, I never saw it. But as many know, a lot of text disappears...inexplicably at times here. Mercury must be in retrograde. ;)

Jeff Darlington of ESPN was there. He witnessed and video taped the situation as it occurred.

He's been the one providing most of the details, as he witnessed them.

https://youtu.be/Q0SmQrf9mmg

Again, they keep stating he " didnt know it was a police officer"...which leads me back to my first post on this. Why does it matter? A human being is attached to your vehicle. Stop!
I can't find any report where that part is disputed. Look..hes a good guy in a bad scene...its unfortunate but it is what it is at this point

This could be the beginning of end like the 9 iron incident?

The on the scene reports (from the golf side), suggest it didn't exactly happen that way. Supposedly, the officer in question jumped on Scheffler's moving vehicle, which immediately stopped.

There's also a rumor floating on X (Twitter) over the last 20 minutes or so, that the officer has been relieved from duty. Reiterating, it's only a rumor, posted by @PGATuor ... typically a very good source, but prone to satire on occasion.

Curiously, there is supposedly video cam of the entire event that has yet to be released.

Video said he drove pass and officer chased him down. Did’t follow police instruction. I highly doubt officer grabs moving vehicle, I would imagine he was shouting STOP and the golfer complied. It be pleaded down to and fine.

It will....they always do. As you know, huge event...cameras are everywhere.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Amazing how all the attention went to a very wealthy golfer as opposed to the bigger story of the retiree who was volunteering and who lost his life.

My prediction?

Charges dropped and Scheffler will pay for the officers "$80 pants" that were supposedly ruined when he fell down and went boom...

Scheffler's first words in his post round interview were asking for prayers for the family of the man who lost his life, insisting that was more important than him...

If a human being reached out and attached himself to my vehicle I certainly would not stop, that's how carjackings happen!

Also, is it possible the driver had no idea whatsoever that someone had chosen to attach themselves to the vehicle? Hopefully, some video of the incident will materialize and answer the questions of what actually happened.

Third, if a civilian suddenly maneuvers himself into a position to be struck by a moving vehicle and then files an insurance claim we call that fraud. In this case, the officer apparently suddenly maneuvered himself to be "attached" to a moving vehicle and then filed charges. Should there be a double standard?

Again, hopefully some video of the incident will materialize.

I tend to agree.

The witnesses stated that another official was waving Scottie in when the arresting officer ran after him, which fits the text that players received stating that there was a traffic problem, and players would be allowed to go through. If one is driving, trying to navigate around stopped and abandoned vehicles when it is dark and raining, your eyes are focused ahead of you. It may take a few seconds to realize someone has "attached" themselves to the side of your vehicle and another second or two to process that and stop. The witnesses also stated the officer was using foul language and banging his flashlight against the clearly marked PGA courtesy car. Professional behavior?????? The officer was described as a "detective". So he jumps on a moving car because it was making what he considered an illegal turn????? Just where did he think the car was going? He couldn't just note the license plate?

I just think the officer greatly overreacted, maybe because of the tragedy that had just occurred that he was investigating. He was not on traffic control duty and probably didn't get "the memo" that stated allow players and essential personnel through. He may have had poor impulse control as well, apparently slamming Scottie's face into the car window according to the witness reports.

I find it pretty unlikely someone would attempt a carjacking in the middle of a traffic jam surrounded by dozens of police officers :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I agree, I was responding to the general statement and not the specific situation.

First off, Scheffler made it a point to express his condolences to the family, since the moment the situation occurred.

Secondly, what goes money have to do with anything? And the "retiree" who was "volunteering", PAID to be a volunteer. That's how it works. $270 + applicable taxes and fees and you too could have been a volunteer.

Per the Louisville Mayor, there is no video of the incident, other than Jeff Darlington's.

Despite Louisville Police Department regulations that requires all officers to wear and activate body cams, the involved officer didn't record the event. No reason given.


https://x.com/WDRBNews/status/1791856420524113942

https://x.com/WDRBNews/status/1791857311935267138

Hmmm......

Well I guess it's now he said/she said.

That allows us to speculate till the cows come home or even after

Exactly

I think Belichick might...

Well they usually do not give thieves an intelligence test when they are caught.:jester:

Video did not show any such thing.

Lots of speculation, remember people in this country are innocent until proven guilty. Let the dust settle, and the facts come out, before passing judgement on someone with both a squeaky clean record and reputation.

It seems to me he disregarded the police's directions. I don't think he meant to do harm, but he probably felt entitled to do as he wished. The biggest story for me is that he got out of jail, made it to the course in time to play, and shot 5 under!!!! Obviously the shocking reality seemed to have hit him the next day though .

:bigbow:

1) U R assuming he heard/saw the officer.

2) Wow........trash the guy without knowing facts.

3) The biggest story is the unfortunate death of the man.

Some Obvious Questions & Observations About the Officer's Actions & Motives
 

Some Obvious Questions & Observations About the Officer's Actions & Motives:
1. What was a DETECTIVE doing directing traffic?
2. Why would a police officer "attach themselves" to a Vehicle and not release immediately if the vehicle moved or didn't stop? (Appears to be self-inflicted injury)
3. What does the officer's training advise them to do when a vehicle doesn't stop?
4. How clear was the Officer's instructions? Is the officer ARTICULATE or difficult to understand? What did they say? - it could have been confusing.
4. What other incidents involving unusual or erratic behavior has the injured officer been involved with?
5. What were the injured officer's motives? - Do they have financial issues and were looking for a way to "enrich themselves" by having a multi-millionaire be responsible for injuring them?
6. Was it really necessary for police to stop vehicles or could they have SERVED THE PUBLIC better by creating a detour that kept traffic moving while safely conducting their investigation?

Police have a lot of POWER, so with that Power comes RESPONSIBILITY to wield it fairly.

great questions

I've witnessed some very poor traffic directing from "traffic cops". Sometimes they change signals so quick its tough to know what the heck they want you to do.

Only Scottie and the police officer know the answer to that. All else is speculation. Even witnesses often misinterpret and/or don’t see the whole incident.

PGA Tournament
 

I saw a post about it from dewilson. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...rested-350104/

I am giving the police a little slack. There was a traffic fatality 45 minutes before the Scottie incident. I suspect the police were in a heightened emotion when Scottie stared his drive up the shoulder.

He’s a golfer, he must be innocent! Do you hear yourself?
Did you see any of the footage? Did you not see police cars with lights flashing? What was the Detective doing? His job!
That’s like questioning if you stopped at an accident scene that just happened and you wanted to direct traffic around people that got hurt, how would you feel if people disregarded you and hit the people that got hurt?
Say the cops closed a highway down because of a fatality, but you had a golfer go around the barricade because he didn’t want to be late for his tee time? He was in a marked golf car so it should be fine!!!
Stop blaming the cops.