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sounding 08-25-2024 11:15 AM

Another Week Of No Hurricanes Forecast
 
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Three reasons.
1 - Sections of the Atlantic are beginning to cool.
2 - Sahara dust continues.
3 - Tonga is still creating upper atmospheric warming - which inhibits tropical convection.

justjim 08-25-2024 11:19 AM

All good, but September historically is when we have more hurricanes. We will see.

Kenswing 08-25-2024 11:20 AM

Let me guess, we can hear all about it at next month’s Weather Club meeting. :1rotfl:

sounding 08-25-2024 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2363917)
Let me guess, we can hear all about it at next month’s Weather Club meeting. :1rotfl:

Yes -- and tomorrow -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Don't tell anyone, but comments will be made that La Nina is very late, which is delaying and reducing tropical activity. Many believe Tonga's warming is preventing (or slowing) La Nina's entrance into the Pacific.

eyc234 08-25-2024 02:00 PM

There are 2 in the Pacific, those do not count?

LeRoySmith 08-25-2024 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2363917)
Let me guess, we can hear all about it at next month’s Weather Club meeting. :1rotfl:

⭐ For you Ken

sounding 08-25-2024 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 2363977)
There are 2 in the Pacific, those do not count?

The Atlantic and Pacific are 2 different oceans -- separated by North America. However, like the Atlantic, the Pacific storm season also started late. The really interesting thing is that while the Atlantic is showing early signs of cooling, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has been steady cooling for over 7 years -- which is part of the reason why the Northwest Rockies are getting hit with early season snows -- a great reminder that global warming is not global.

Two Bills 08-26-2024 02:21 AM

I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?

Drakeswood 08-26-2024 04:53 AM

Hone in the Pacific drenching the Hawaiian Islands-particularly the Islanf of Hawaii’s Hilo side…

sounding 08-26-2024 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2364109)
I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?

Numerous Twitter/X folks are complaining about the "chilly" global warming in the UK. It appears that the AMO is trying to start its cold cycle -- like the one that produced snow in Miami in 1977. Don't sell your snow shovel.

crash 08-26-2024 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363990)
The Atlantic and Pacific are 2 different oceans -- separated by North America. However, like the Atlantic, the Pacific storm season also started late. The really interesting thing is that while the Atlantic is showing early signs of cooling, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has been steady cooling for over 7 years -- which is part of the reason why the Northwest Rockies are getting hit with early season snows -- a great reminder that global co warming is not global.

Gosh give us a break and talk about something other than weather a short term phenomenon vs climate a long term phenomenon

sounding 08-26-2024 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crash (Post 2364135)
Gosh give us a break and talk about something other than weather a short term phenomenon vs climate a long term phenomenon

Good idea. How about ... solar panels help protect bunny rabbits from hail.

RICH1 08-26-2024 07:17 AM

weather is what old people talk about...and now it's Hurricane season adding additional stress to the heart..

CybrSage 08-26-2024 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363990)
a great reminder that global warming is not global.

What does the temp anomaly mean on the graph? What is the expected norm being deviated from? Is it the Milkanovitch Cycles temp?

CybrSage 08-26-2024 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by crash (Post 2364135)
Gosh give us a break and talk about something other than weather a short term phenomenon vs climate a long term phenomenon

Why? It is shoveled down our throats by the Church of the AGW.

sounding 08-26-2024 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2364190)
weather is what old people talk about...and now it's Hurricane season adding additional stress to the heart..

Fortunately, global warming makes the tropical atmosphere more stable, which inhibits tropical cyclone development. This science of this trend is explained at the Weather Club.

CybrSage 08-26-2024 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2364109)
I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?

I heard green tomatoes are great when fried. So good, they made a movie about it!

CybrSage 08-26-2024 07:30 AM

Global warming is created by pirates. As the number of pirates dropped, temps went up. This is truth, the data shows it. Anyone who disagrees redises to follow the science and must be canceled!

Yes, I am showing that correlation is not causation. Something many people forget.

https://donhillson.wordpress.com/wp-...1/03/graph.jpg

sounding 08-26-2024 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2364192)
What does the temp anomaly mean on the graph? What is the expected norm being deviated from? Is it the Milkanovitch Cycles temp?

Please ask this question today (Aug 26) at 1 PM at Bridgeport for greater explanation. However, an anomaly is a deviation of the mean of at least 30 years of data. The AMO & PDO (which are on 60-year cycles) are not derived from the Milankovitch cycles (which are on 40,000 to 120,000 year cycles). The AMO and PDO do affect tropical storm activity.

CybrSage 08-26-2024 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364199)
Please ask this question today (Aug 26) at 1 PM at Bridgeport for greater explanation. However, an anomaly is a deviation of the mean of at least 30 years of data. The AMO & PDO (which are on 60-year cycles) are not derived from the Milankovitch cycles (which are on 40,000 to 120,000 year cycles). The AMO and PDO do affect tropical storm activity.

So the temp is water and not atmosphere.
Using charts with missing vital info (such as what temps are being shown, especially when air temps were also mentioned) causes confusion.
Not an attack, just a note to help you be clear in the future.

airstreamingypsy 08-26-2024 07:46 AM

I never realized that weather could be this boring.

golfing eagles 08-26-2024 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2364198)
Global warming is created by pirates. As the number of pirates dropped, temps went up. This is truth, the data shows it. Anyone who disagrees redises to follow the science and must be canceled!

Yes, I am showing that correlation is not causation. Something many people forget.

https://donhillson.wordpress.com/wp-...1/03/graph.jpg

post hoc ergo propter hoc

sounding 08-26-2024 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2364203)
So the temp is water and not atmosphere.
Using charts with missing vital info (such as what temps are being shown, especially when air temps were also mentioned) causes confusion.
Not an attack, just a note to help you be clear in the future.

The AMO and PDO graphs are ocean index temperature data - and very important in short-term climate change. Most don't know this because the media will not talk about this data because it exposes the fraud behind the CO2 control knob theory. The Weather Club talk will discuss this and more in detail in November ... The Villages Weather Club

sounding 08-26-2024 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2364206)
I never realized that weather could be this boring.

Pirates have a different opinion.

nn0wheremann 08-26-2024 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2364109)
I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?

Your lousy wet is the result of our fish storms, tropical cyclones that develop and sputter out over the eastern Atlantic instead of intensifying and heading west to North America

fdpaq0580 08-26-2024 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364212)
post hoc ergo propter hoc

Utway usday athay eanma estionquay arcmay(?)
😃🤭

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363913)
Three reasons.
1 - Sections of the Atlantic are beginning to cool.
2 - Sahara dust continues.
3 - Tonga is still creating upper atmospheric warming - which inhibits tropical convection.

# 3 Tonga has a minimal effect on world weather. Interesting fact .....hurricane Beayl was the EARLIEST cat 5 Atlantic Hurricane on RECORD. There is STILL an above normal probability (90%) of a major Hurricane before Sept. 24. Sept 15 is the peak on the graph of all US hurricanes.
Note........I don't think that the Sahara dust is STILL coming, but I need to check that out to be sure.

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364310)
# 3 Tonga has a minimal effect on world weather. Interesting fact .....hurricane Beayl was the EARLIEST cat 5 Atlantic Hurricane on RECORD. There is STILL an above normal probability (90%) of a major Hurricane before Sept. 24. Sept 15 is the peak on the graph of all US hurricanes.
Note........I don't think that the Sahara dust is STILL coming, but I need to check that out to be sure.

In Wikipedia there is an article all about the Tonga Eruption. About on the 11 th paragraph down is this statement. "Later calculations indicate that it was UNLIKELY to have any global cooling effects". Much further down in the article it is stated that "greenhouse gas emissions remain the MAJOR determinant of risk"
.....Also - "Peak Saharan dust runs from late June through mid-August"

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2363990)
The Atlantic and Pacific are 2 different oceans -- separated by North America. However, like the Atlantic, the Pacific storm season also started late. The really interesting thing is that while the Atlantic is showing early signs of cooling, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has been steady cooling for over 7 years -- which is part of the reason why the Northwest Rockies are getting hit with early season snows -- a great reminder that global warming is not global.

"global warming is NOT global"-------that is an unusual statement because, by definition Global Warming means it IS Global. Climate Scientists record the temperatures from ALL parts of the world. That how they know that the Earth has been increasing in warming for the last 30 years.

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 01:27 PM

"Sea surface temperatures in the North Atlantic are trending 1.8 deg F above normal. It is worse in the Gulf of Mexico."

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakeswood (Post 2364120)
Hone in the Pacific drenching the Hawaiian Islands-particularly the Islanf of Hawaii’s Hilo side…

Higher ocean temperatures worldwide mean that the air holds more moisture - so greater rain.

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2364190)
weather is what old people talk about...and now it's Hurricane season adding additional stress to the heart..

Not being aware of something that one should be aware of can cause long-term stress.

sounding 08-26-2024 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364310)
# 3 Tonga has a minimal effect on world weather. Interesting fact .....hurricane Beayl was the EARLIEST cat 5 Atlantic Hurricane on RECORD. There is STILL an above normal probability (90%) of a major Hurricane before Sept. 24. Sept 15 is the peak on the graph of all US hurricanes.
Note........I don't think that the Sahara dust is STILL coming, but I need to check that out to be sure.

Sorry, Tonga is they most important climate event to happen in over 2,000 years. It was an unprecedented event which is now causing unprecedented global warming -- because the DATA shows it.

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364213)
The AMO and PDO graphs are ocean index temperature data - and very important in short-term climate change. Most don't know this because the media will not talk about this data because it exposes the fraud behind the CO2 control knob theory. The Weather Club talk will discuss this and more in detail in November ... The Villages Weather Club

"CO2 control knob theory"......that sparks my curiosity big-time. A knob would INFER that some human or humans are controlling the CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere for some either grand good or villainous reason. Since that is unlikely then I will fall back to what I have read about CO2 and its effects in the last 30 years. CO2 production from the world's factories and automobiles has increased PAST the point that the world's plants and oceans can absorb all of the CO2 produced by the increased population of the world. Coral reefs are dying and world temperatures have increased dramatically in the last 30 years. Actually 2023 and 2024 have set records for HEAT related DEATHS in the US and likely also worldwide. Amazing----the price we (as humans) are willing to pay for our unwillingness to SIMPLY drive more E-vehicles and fewer ICE-vehicles. Ah ......that old buggaboo .....GREED and human fear of change has hit us right in the over-cooked planet;s gut !!!!!

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364347)
Sorry, Tonga is they most important climate event to happen in over 2,000 years. It was an unprecedented event which is now causing unprecedented global warming -- because the DATA shows it.

That is SO very TRUE about the VAPORIZED H2O and that is why scientists INITIALLY thought that Tonga would have a BIG effect on the world's temperatures. But, as I wrote in a much earlier (weeks earlier) post - the University of Texas REAL climate scientists state that after greater analysis they determine that Tonga has had a minimal effect on world Climate. Anyway The Tonga Eruption began way back in Dec. 2022 so has ZERO relevance to Climate today. Population increases and CO2 production from automobiles and industry are the culprits. Maybe I could present that at the Village Weather Club. I would change a reasonable price for that.

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364347)
Sorry, Tonga is they most important climate event to happen in over 2,000 years. It was an unprecedented event which is now causing unprecedented global warming -- because the DATA shows it.

That graph, toward the right end, looks a lot like the graph of increased world POPULATION in last 30 years.

sounding 08-26-2024 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364349)
"CO2 control knob theory"......that sparks my curiosity big-time. A knob would INFER that some human or humans are controlling the CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere for some either grand good or villainous reason. Since that is unlikely then I will fall back to what I have read about CO2 and its effects in the last 30 years. CO2 production from the world's factories and automobiles has increased PAST the point that the world's plants and oceans can absorb all of the CO2 produced by the increased population of the world. Coral reefs are dying and world temperatures have increased dramatically in the last 30 years. Actually 2023 and 2024 have set records for HEAT related DEATHS in the US and likely also worldwide. Amazing----the price we (as humans) are willing to pay for our unwillingness to SIMPLY drive more E-vehicles and fewer ICE-vehicles. Ah ......that old buggaboo .....GREED and human fear of change has hit us right in the over-cooked planet;s gut !!!!!

None of your articles address the UAH data because it doesn't fix their fake CO2 control knob theory. In other words they are illegitimate (junk science) articles because they ignore key data. Only Tonga's water vapor can explain the 2023/2024 temperature spike. This will again be presented Sep 6 at 4 PM at Lake Miona.

asianthree 08-26-2024 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364339)
Not being aware of something that one should be aware of can cause long-term stress.

If one isn’t aware of something, how can it cause long term stress?

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2364385)
If one isn’t aware of something, how can it cause long term stress?

Good question. Let's say you are age 25 or 30 and have a good job and lots of friends. You get in a habit of drinking a few beers every day after work. You might NOT realize that you are becoming addicted to alcohol AND you keep gaining weight. You go on for years drinking with friends.One day you wake up with a heart attack. You were not aware of your problem until it was too late. Going forward, you have a bunch of pathetic unhealthy years. You end up with long term stress. There could be other examples, also.

jimjamuser 08-26-2024 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364363)
None of your articles address the UAH data because it doesn't fix their fake CO2 control knob theory. In other words they are illegitimate (junk science) articles because they ignore key data. Only Tonga's water vapor can explain the 2023/2024 temperature spike. This will again be presented Sep 6 at 4 PM at Lake Miona.

I did NOT mention any articles. Not sure what the UAH is (universal atmospheric have-nots is) ? And now THEY have a FAKE control knob theory. I am having trouble interpreting whatever the idea there is ?


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