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jimjamuser 08-27-2024 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364602)
I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.

That would be the RIGHT way and , incidentally, it IS the way they do it in Europe. In the US where greed often enters the picture, we engage in "clear cutting". Which translates into move in the huge equipment and cut down all the little trees in order to get to the big trees. Then the silt runs down to the nearest river and kills all the game fish leaving only catfish and carp...........yes, Sir that is the American way.

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364588)
Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases.......

And again, > 90% of "climate scientists" owe their livelihood to the government or academia, so they will tow the party line or go hungry.

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364602)
I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.

And replant trees for that same purpose?

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2364465)

That link put our whole discussion in PERFECT perspective. I hope EVERYONE reads that. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364590)
So you have stated that "pollution causes Global Cooling". Why do I NOT read about that when I read scientific articles about climate???? Basically you are telling me that all those scientists that are incredibly worried about the RAPID increase of Global Warming are somehow being paid around the world to create a Climate HOAX. Why is it that the heads of the United Nations are worried about man made Global Warming. Are you saying that your little local Climate Club knows more than the UN ?????? That is some SERIOUS straying away from the facts as presented before the United Nations.

The head of the UN??????SERIOUSLY????? Where did he get his doctorate in climatology?

And my dog knows more climatology than the UN

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364594)
All around the WORLD there are record breaking temperatures. We set one in Death Valley. The Gulf of Mexico is above average at this time.In 2023 Big Bend National park reached 119 deg F. Climate scientists are DEADLY worried about "run away temperatures". This year may set a record for HEAT deaths in the US. Next year will be worse. People in the US and our own local Climate Club are Climate deniers. US politicians try and avoid the subject. By the time ordinary people take the problem serious - it will be TOO LATE.

And all around the world there are record cold temperatures as well. Records were made to be broken.

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364600)
A graph of temperature for the last 30 years shows SIGNIFICANT temperature increases. That is easy to Google. MOST Climate Scientists believe that the temperature increases worldwide are caused by MAN.

Most climate scientists have a choice of saying that or starving

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364632)
Wow - just WOW !!! What a fool I have been. The EPA is wrong and The Villages Weather Club was RIGHT !!!!!

Exactly!!! NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!

But in all fairness, the EPA may not be as stupid as they appear, since they are following a political and not scientific agenda

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2364629)
I’ll join your club, if you'll let me.

Sure. We can invite all our friends and have a Tonga Party and dress up as water vapor and talk about global cooling and cool some brewskis to take as a peace offering to the Villages weather club and play DEVO records. And burn oil, gas and coal lamps and cut some firewood---------fun will be guaranteed for ALL.

sounding 08-27-2024 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364620)
Strangely, your graphs mostly seem to DISPROVE your conclusions. On the far right CO2 is SPIKING upward as is the model temperatures line. But, it seems like a basically MESSY graph that is trying to put together TOO MANY variables.

Exactly. The climate is messy. That's why NONE of the UN's IPCC climate models have ever been able to create a model than predict climate change. Worse yet, NONE can even replicate past climate changes. The UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change) is a scam.

sounding 08-27-2024 02:31 PM

Thank you.

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364641)
And again, > 90% of "climate scientists" owe their livelihood to the government or academia, so they will tow the party line or go hungry.

That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364646)
Records were made to be broken.

That's what my dad said when I got upset because he broke my new Bo Diddly record. 😡😡😡

ThirdOfFive 08-27-2024 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364649)
Exactly!!! NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!

But in all fairness, the EPA may not be as stupid as they appear, since they are following a political and not scientific agenda

Heh. You pay some people enough, they'll make any sound you want them to make.

One Heidi Fleiss comes to mind...

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364648)
Most climate scientists have a choice of saying that or starving

Oh! Yeah! You've been trying to sell that one for a long while now. Doing well with it? Or considering
re-evaluating the evidence? Like to have you join me and the other "GOREganites". (Just made that up! Think it will catch on? Now, how to cash in on it? Big oil should love it. Maybe write a song?)

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364649)
Exactly!!! NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!

But in all fairness, the EPA may not be as stupid as they appear, since they are following a political and not scientific agenda

Pot calling the kettle .....? Naw! You of all people wouldn't do that, would you? No! πŸ˜€πŸ« πŸ˜‰

blueash 08-27-2024 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364641)
And again, > 90% of "climate scientists" owe their livelihood to the government or academia, so they will tow the party line or go hungry.

And >90% of virologists and immunologists owe their livelihood to the government or academia or big pharma, so their conclusions about COVID must tow the party line or go hungry. Right? See how stupid that sounds when you actually know something about the field?

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364654)
That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

Really? That would seem to suggest some naivety as to how academia works, so here's the challenge:

Get a doctorate in climatology and a position at a university in the US. Then, apply for a research grant for your study to prove that global warming has nothing to do with human activity----see how much money the federal government gives you. (Hint---every single dollar the NSF gives for climate studies are for those studies that "prove" mankind is responsible for global warming, and the more imminent, the better). Then, maybe some benefactor who knows the truth that man has nothing to do with warming gives you the money for the study---and, as expected you conclusively prove that anthropogenic climate change is a myth and a scam. Now---try to get it published. Rotsa ruck. Then apply for tenure---even more ruck. You see, what you have done is commit professional suicide. No collusion required. Your family starves, your wife goes find one of the "90+%" of climatologists who realized that the only way to survive was by parroting the party line. And so the scam goes rolling along.

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2364663)
And >90% of virologists and immunologists owe their livelihood to the government or academia or big pharma, so their conclusions about COVID must tow the party line or go hungry. Right? See how stupid that sounds when you actually know something about the field?

Unfortunately, you forget I know as much or more about the field than that post suggests

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364650)
Sure. We can invite all our friends and have a Tonga Party and dress up as water vapor and talk about global cooling and cool some brewskis to take as a peace offering to the Villages weather club and play DEVO records. And burn oil, gas and coal lamps and cut some firewood---------fun will be guaranteed for ALL.

Uh, why do we need a peace offering? Aren't we all friends already? And burning causes smoke that can be hazardous to health and is unnecessary wasteful. Brewskis sounds good, if we can recycle the bottles and make sure the waste products are treated to avoid polluting the local waterways. I could bring a lava lamp powered by a battery that is charged from a solar panel. Yeah! It will be great! πŸ€“πŸ€“πŸ€“

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364654)
That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

But he knows that! But to acknowledge the truth now would be just too embarrassing.

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364664)
Really? That would seem to suggest some naivety as to how academia works, so here's the challenge:

Get a doctorate in climatology and a position at a university in the US. Then, apply for a research grant for your study to prove that global warming has nothing to do with human activity----see how much money the federal government gives you. (Hint---every single dollar the NSF gives for climate studies are for those studies that "prove" mankind is responsible for global warming, and the more imminent, the better). Then, maybe some benefactor who knows the truth that man has nothing to do with warming gives you the money for the study---and, as expected you conclusively prove that anthropogenic climate change is a myth and a scam. Now---try to get it published. Rotsa ruck. Then apply for tenure---even more ruck. You see, what you have done is commit professional suicide. No collusion required. Your family starves, your wife goes find one of the "90+%" of climatologists who realized that the only way to survive was by parroting the party line. And so the scam goes rolling along.

Sounds like someone got a burr under his saddle blanket! 🀠🀠🀠

fdpaq0580 08-27-2024 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364665)
Unfortunately, you forget I know as much or more about the field than that post suggests

Can't forget what we never knew.

sounding 08-27-2024 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364654)
That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

It's not a lot of people who are scientifically corrupt, it's just those who control the narrative who are scientifically corrupt. (Remember Orwell's 1984 movie.) Overall, they are a minority. Just follow the money. Trillions are being funneled into the IPCC -- and yet they are not able to produce a single model that is able to replicate past climate change -- and thus all forecasts are bogus. It's a scam -- no different than a snake-oil salesman operation. Any still ... no one is able to provide evidence how much "man-made" CO2 warmed earth last year. Guess why.

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364651)
Exactly. The climate is messy. That's why NONE of the UN's IPCC climate models have ever been able to create a model than predict climate change. Worse yet, NONE can even replicate past climate changes. The UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change) is a scam.

So, here I am being told to disregard the UN in favor of someone from a local weather club.And I am being told not to worry because the climate is NOT changing. Yet just the other day I read a story about Alaskan crab fisherman. The have lost their livelihoods because the water in their fishing area has gotten so warm that the crabs are all DEAD. Also on land in Russia and Alaska the permafrost layer in the ground is warming up to the point that Scientists (I know now that it is a HATED NAME) ......Scientists are worried that bacteria and diseases that have been frozen for many centuries will be released from under the NOT-SO-PERMANENTLY-frosted-permafrost !

sounding 08-27-2024 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364689)
So, here I am being told to disregard the UN in favor of someone from a local weather club.And I am being told not to worry because the climate is NOT changing. Yet just the other day I read a story about Alaskan crab fisherman. The have lost their livelihoods because the water in their fishing area has gotten so warm that the crabs are all DEAD. Also on land in Russia and Alaska the permafrost layer in the ground is warming up to the point that Scientists (I know now that it is a HATED NAME) ......Scientists are worried that bacteria and diseases that have been frozen for many centuries will be released from under the NOT-SO-PERMANENTLY-frosted-permafrost !

So ... show me just ONE United Nation's climate model, and after sending them billions of our tax $$, that can replicate past climate change. Feeling lucky?

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2364660)
Oh! Yeah! You've been trying to sell that one for a long while now. Doing well with it? Or considering
re-evaluating the evidence? Like to have you join me and the other "GOREganites". (Just made that up! Think it will catch on? Now, how to cash in on it? Big oil should love it. Maybe write a song?)

Big oil had to spend a ZILLION dollars in propaganda to offset the TRUTH coming from Al (the nation's idol) Gore. And Boo Hoo! , maybe the 2 Earth poles did NOT melt the day after he said to worry about that, but they are certainly melting today. Al - my pal - we are just beginning to LEARN from you.

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2364671)
Sounds like someone got a burr under his saddle blanket! 🀠🀠🀠

Yes, someone does. And it's not me, so by process of elimination........

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364695)
Big oil had to spend a ZILLION dollars in propaganda to offset the TRUTH coming from Al (the nation's idol) Gore. And Boo Hoo! , maybe the 2 Earth poles did NOT melt the day after he said to worry about that, but they are certainly melting today. Al - my pal - we are just beginning to LEARN from you.

I'm sorry, you spelled idol wrong-----it's B-U-F-O-O-N

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2364669)
But he knows that! But to acknowledge the truth now would be just too embarrassing.

That probably explains the whole reason for NOT accepting man-made Global Warming.

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364700)
That probably explains the whole reason for NOT accepting man-made Global Warming.

Maybe one could once again quote that world leading expert in climatology---the Secretary general of the UN :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Kenswing 08-27-2024 05:45 PM

I think it’s all the hot air in these climate/weather threads that is causing global warming. :1rotfl:

Another 100+ post thread that changed exactly zero minds on the topic. Just another circle jerk. :1rotfl:

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364677)
It's not a lot of people who are scientifically corrupt, it's just those who control the narrative who are scientifically corrupt. (Remember Orwell's 1984 movie.) Overall, they are a minority. Just follow the money. Trillions are being funneled into the IPCC -- and yet they are not able to produce a single model that is able to replicate past climate change -- and thus all forecasts are bogus. It's a scam -- no different than a snake-oil salesman operation. Any still ... no one is able to provide evidence how much "man-made" CO2 warmed earth last year. Guess why.

CO2 is not an abundant gas like oxygen or nitrogen. The main point is that ENOUGH drifted upward into the upper atmosphere so that it formed a layer which reflected (actually bent back) the long wave HEAT spectrum of sunlight and returned that HEAT back to Earth. Years ago excess CO2 from pollution could be stored in trees and in coral reefs. But, with increased population in the last 30 years and increased automobile release of CO2 and industrial waste gas, the Earth could not contain enough. So, that upper layer formed and reflected HEAT back to the EARTH.

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364691)
So ... show me just ONE United Nation's climate model, and after sending them billions of our tax $$, that can replicate past climate change. Feeling lucky?

The UN would have NO (ZERO) interest in replicating past climate change There would be no point. We have a last 30 years problem because of population increases and automobile exhaust increases and factories.

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364699)
I'm sorry, you spelled idol wrong-----it's B-U-F-O-O-N

Very interesting ----one man's idol is another man's buffoon.

jimjamuser 08-27-2024 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2364703)
Maybe one could once again quote that world leading expert in climatology---the Secretary general of the UN :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The Climatologists work for the UN Secretary General. He has plenty.

sounding 08-27-2024 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364706)
CO2 is not an abundant gas like oxygen or nitrogen. The main point is that ENOUGH drifted upward into the upper atmosphere so that it formed a layer which reflected (actually bent back) the long wave HEAT spectrum of sunlight and returned that HEAT back to Earth. Years ago excess CO2 from pollution could be stored in trees and in coral reefs. But, with increased population in the last 30 years and increased automobile release of CO2 and industrial waste gas, the Earth could not contain enough. So, that upper layer formed and reflected HEAT back to the EARTH.

You speak with great authority about climate alarmist narratives. - which are all wrong - including CO2 reflecting heat to earth. That's non-sense. A cooler object (the air) CAN NOT heat a warmer object. See diagram.

Taltarzac725 08-27-2024 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2364715)
You speak with great authority about climate alarmist narratives. - which are all wrong - including CO2 reflecting heat to earth. That's non-sense. A cooler object (the air) CAN NOT heat a warmer object. See diagram.

Looks like a kid's diagram.

golfing eagles 08-27-2024 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364711)
The Climatologists work for the UN Secretary General. He has plenty.

Exactly the point. Just as other climatologists work for the US government or universities. And all those institutions have an agenda

sounding 08-27-2024 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2364711)
The Climatologists work for the UN Secretary General. He has plenty.

Good news. South American countries are wakening to the climate scam and have a new agenda ... drill-baby-drill ... https://co2coalition.org/2024/08/27/...t-zero-agenda/


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