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Taltarzac725 01-15-2025 12:46 PM

Fatal Pit Bull Attack on Boy.
 
It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.

airstreamingypsy 01-15-2025 01:15 PM

I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.

Taltarzac725 01-15-2025 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2401760)
I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.

Sounds right.

Taltarzac725 01-15-2025 02:29 PM

We lived next to a guy with pit bulls in Palm Harbor, Florida. One morning or afternoon he decided to walk them while he drove in his car with them running alongside the vehicle. One dog's paws got torn up and the police followed the blood trail to his house and arrested him. A boy had seen it going on and had called them. He was few streets over.

Sweet dogs. He had kept them in cages in his garage much of the time.

It made the local news a few nights and got a few angry drivers coming by.

The house was owned by a criminal defense lawyer and we often wondered if he housed his previous clients there or maybe current ones.

The guy moved soon after this. There was an ongoing battle about custody of those two dogs.

jimjamuser 01-15-2025 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401747)
It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.

Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

jimjamuser 01-15-2025 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2401760)
I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.

A bad owner paired with a bad breed of dogs.........what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Michael G. 01-15-2025 03:37 PM

As long as we allow loud obnoxious Harley's cycles running through TV.
As long as we don't understand what directionals are for on vehicles.
As long as we let squatters take over our homes when were gone.

I'll say ya, let the pit bulls run.

Taltarzac725 01-15-2025 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2401798)
As long as we allow loud obnoxious Harley's cycles running through TV.
As long as we don't understand what directionals are for on vehicles.
As long as we let squatters take over our homes when were gone.

I'll say ya, let the pit bulls run.

There are some pit bulls around us here in this neighborhood. As long as they are on a leash with a healthy individual in control of them, I have no problem. Years ago in this neighborhood a very large dog pulled over its dog walker and broke her wrist and then killed a small dog being walked by another dog walker. This was not a pit bull but a much bigger pooch. Some kind of mastiff, maybe.

fdpaq0580 01-15-2025 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401815)
There are some pit bulls around us here in this neighborhood. As long as they are on a leash with a healthy individual in control of them, I have no problem. Years ago in this neighborhood a very large dog pulled over its dog walker and broke her wrist and then killed a small dog being walked by another dog walker. This was not a pit bull but a much bigger pooch. Some kind of mastiff, maybe.

I was working in my garden several years ago when I met Max for the first time. He had somehow gotten out from his invisible fence and decided to checkout the neighborhood. He saw me with a piece of heavy rope in my hand across 4 vacant lots. I never saw or heard a thing until I was attacked by a werewolf. Or so I thought. Max was a large, young and playful black Lab. He bloodied me up pretty good, but (for him) it was all just good fun. Max and I soon became very good friends.

The point is that even breeds not known as problems, can
ALL be dangerous depending on the specific situation. Owners must be vigilant at all times. You may never have a problem, but the possibility is always there.

PS. Max's owers were shocked by what had happened and feared a lawsuit. I happen to love roughhousing with big dogs. We settled out of court for a batch of chocolate chip cookies.

ThirdOfFive 01-15-2025 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2401823)
I was working in my garden several years ago when I met Max for the first time. He had somehow gotten out from his invisible fence and decided to checkout the neighborhood. He saw me with a piece of heavy rope in my hand across 4 vacant lots. I never saw or heard a thing until I was attacked by a werewolf. Or so I thought. Max was a large, young and playful black Lab. He bloodied me up pretty good, but (for him) it was all just good fun. Max and I soon became very good friends.

The point is that even breeds not known as problems, can
ALL be dangerous depending on the specific situation. Owners must be vigilant at all times. You may never have a problem, but the possibility is always there.

PS. Max's owers were shocked by what had happened and feared a lawsuit. I happen to love roughhousing with big dogs. We settled out of court for a batch of chocolate chip cookies.

Love it!

jakers 01-16-2025 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401747)
It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.

Call Community Watch to report aggressive behavior.

Cuervo 01-16-2025 06:26 AM

I love dogs but do not own one, because at this stage of my life I do not want to responsibility. First, I believe all dogs should have chip implanted not only for human safety, but also for the dog. When people either recue or purchase a dog they should have to sign a document of what ownership actually means which is registered to the county. In this way they will not be able to abandon their pet on the side of the road and will be responsible for any harm or damage their pet has done.
I do not hold dogs responsible for their actions, it the owners.

Rocksnap 01-16-2025 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2401780)
Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

Taltarzac725 01-16-2025 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2401890)
Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

Chihuahuas are like pit bulls in that they too should be looked at as I individuals with personal histories which may define how they may act.

Caymus 01-16-2025 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2401890)
Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

But "small toy breeds" do not have the jaw strength of a pit bull.

Taltarzac725 01-16-2025 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2401903)
But "small toy breeds" do not have the jaw strength of a pit bull.

Nor the size of bite radius.

HORNET 01-16-2025 07:47 AM

Owners of the two dogs that killed the little boy, should go to prison for Murder!!!!!

dewilson58 01-16-2025 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2401760)
I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.

Sheriff said no one complained (to the dept) about the loose dogs.

He requested everyone should report loose dogs, even if the dogs are not causing any issues.

Bay Kid 01-16-2025 07:54 AM

This thread reminds me about Michael Vick. Poor dogs.

Taltarzac725 01-16-2025 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2401911)
This thread reminds me about Michael Vick. Poor dogs.

Except I believe he was involved with pit bull fights. Those dogs would probably try to bite anyone.

bonbonn 01-16-2025 08:24 AM

fatal pit bull attack on boy
 
First of all there is a leash law all across the country, all dogs must be on a leash. The owners should be jailed for manslaughter, the dogs should be put down right away. dog owners are respopnsible for the actions of their dogs

airstreamingypsy 01-16-2025 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2401910)
Sheriff said no one complained (to the dept) about the loose dogs.

He requested everyone should report loose dogs, even if the dogs are not causing any issues.

"Law enforcement officers who went door-to-door after the incident heard "horrific stories" from neighbors about how the dogs are frequently running loose and have destroyed chickens.

Officials also discovered that the dogs may have been involved in a previous incident in another county."

Normal 01-16-2025 08:47 AM

Statistics
 
Pitbulls are statistically more likely to bite than other dog breeds, even outperforming Rottweilers in reported dog bites.

dewilson58 01-16-2025 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2401940)
"Law enforcement officers who went door-to-door after the incident heard "horrific stories" from neighbors about how the dogs are frequently running loose and have destroyed chickens.

Officials also discovered that the dogs may have been involved in a previous incident in another county."

Yes after-the-fact................not before which might have prevented the death........the neighbors should have "complained" (past tense) before.

MandoMan 01-16-2025 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2401890)
Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

While you are right, between a third and two thirds of dogs in shelters are pit bulls or pit bull mixes. There are too many! They are clogging the shelters! In 75% of big city shelters, Al pit bulls turned in for adoption are immediately euthanized. A good start toward a solution to these horrible facts is to ban breeding and require all pit bull males to be clipped. That is much better than having to kill them off. I’ve known sweet pit bulls. Nevertheless . . .

lpkruege1 01-16-2025 08:56 AM

German Shepherds? NOT!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2401780)
Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

I haven't met a German Shepherd that I would trust, or leave them alone anywhere close to my grandchildren. I can tell you, all three of my children have pit bulls, and I have pictures of my 4 year old, and almost 2 year old crawling into the dog beds with them and falling asleep with them. I see those terrible dogs licking those poor children to death as they giggle. Pit Bulls, just like any other dog, or human, can be good or bad. Training, socialization, and attention are important to all dogs. Personally, the yippie, ankle biting, fur ball that craps in everyone's yard is not a good neighbor and should be banned.

Bill14564 01-16-2025 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bonbonn (Post 2401928)
First of all there is a leash law all across the country, all dogs must be on a leash. The owners should be jailed for manslaughter, the dogs should be put down right away. dog owners are respopnsible for the actions of their dogs

There is no United States leash law.

Many states do not have a leash law and Florida appears to be one of them.

In states without leash laws, many jurisdictions (counties, towns, etc) have leash laws.

See Florida statutes chapter 767.

Bill14564 01-16-2025 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2401943)
Pitbulls are statistically more likely to bite than other dog breeds, even outperforming Rottweilers in reported dog bites.

Very misleading statistics.

Statistics are on *reported* bites and hospital visits. That doesn't show a propensity for biting, it shows an effectiveness in biting. Small dogs might be twice as likely to bite but the wounds they cause are much less severe and rarely require hospital visits.

If all pit bulls were removed from the nation today, prior owners would simply choose another breed and the statistics would shift.

The statistics show that a bite occurred and the dog was of a particular breed. What the statistics don't show is how frequently dogs of that breed bite, the circumstances behind the bite, or how the dog was trained or treated. A dog that bites is bad but that could have less to do with the breed and more to do with the owner.

FrostyBear 01-16-2025 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2401780)
Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

Boxers, pugs, all types of dogs with bull in their name, Newfoundland, Great Dane, St Bernard would have to be included in your definition of dogs that were breed to fight. Why not hold bad owners accountable? Especially people who neglect or treat their dogs as babies and dont know how to properly own a dog.

JRcorvette 01-16-2025 09:24 AM

Florida is a permitless carry State and you have a right to protect yourself from harm.

Taltarzac725 01-16-2025 09:33 AM

I recall a pooch at Doggie Doo Run Run with healed wounds all over its back and sides. It was a pit bull of some kind but was rather scared of dogs of any size and the owners would usually keep it at a good distance from other dogs. They did say it had been involved with dog fighting.

Arlene pugh 01-16-2025 09:58 AM

Premeditated murder. Kill kids in California also and everywhere. Often say never had a problem before attack. One jumped off a truck and killed a family dog at our ranch.

Two Bills 01-16-2025 10:19 AM

I have never owned one, or had any interaction with Pitbull types, but a dog training friend said they are one of the easiest dogs to train., Unfortunately however, many abuse the dog's willingness to please.
Evidently, after Husky dogs, terrier breeds are among the most difficult to train.
The most evil, snappy, dog I ever met, was a Dachshund.

John Sarubbi 01-16-2025 10:24 AM

The pit bull my daughter had was the sweetest dog you could ever own. Any nasty dog is the result of a bad owner who doesn't know how to train a dog and treats them badly.

Ponygirl 01-16-2025 10:25 AM

Pit bulls
 
Pit bull is not a breed but an umbrella term for several pure breeds such as American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and others.

I oversaw dangerous dog investigations in a large city and there are many breeds that attack and bite. The worst attack I ever saw was from a Rottweiler

Most important is that breed specific legislation is expensive and ineffective.

There is excellent legislation that jurisdictions can pass that declare dogs potentially dangerous and dangerous based on their behavior and has very specific requirements for ownership of that animal

Owners are at fault and are responsible for dogs behavior

In this case where the young boy was killed the owners should definitely be charged. They knew the dogs were aggressive and running at large

kkingston57 01-16-2025 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2401747)
It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.

In Florida owners are legally responsible for the actions of a dog and law is severe. Hopefully the dog owner has high homeowners liability limits

Topspinmo 01-16-2025 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2401890)
Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

Yes, some can, but most get bad reputation.

When have ever heard of person being killed or mulled by toy bread dog. Ankle bit not mulled. And besides you can just putt kick the toy bread away and it will get the message. Pit bull are naturally killers. Some can go off like firecracker and they won’t let go unless you beat them unconscious or cut their head off and when run in pack it’s 10 time worse. Any large dog over 60 pounds can be dangerous pit bulls get the top honors. I see people all over villages on property they don’t own letting their big dogs run loose in open area. Just cause their not around housing area don’t mean they let dogs run free when human activities are near. IMO anybody weighing less that 180 pounds has hard time controlling couple big dogs on leash. I watch small women being dragged down street by two mixed bread pits. A disaster just waiting to happen.

Topspinmo 01-16-2025 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HORNET (Post 2401909)
Owners of the two dogs that killed the little boy, should go to prison for Murder!!!!!

By her rap sheet IMO she should of already been in prison.

patriciashew@me.com 01-16-2025 10:56 AM

Pit Bulls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2401890)
Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

You are right. My nephew had pit bulls and they were very loving and sweet!!

Any day and any time a dog could be having a bad day and do something you never thought possible. I always ask permission to interact with someone else’s dog. Dogs only know how to respond to people or dogs if they are taught.

fdpaq0580 01-16-2025 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2401903)
But "small toy breeds" do not have the jaw strength of a pit bull.

While true, they can still cause, injuries leading to trips/falls that can permanently disable or even kill. Bite can draw blood, cause infection and need for medical attention and leave scars/permanent disfiguration. They can cause emotional stress and anxiety. They may be little, but the are still 100% DOG!

PS; A Derringer can kill you as dead as a howitzer.


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