Michael Vick
 

"What goes around comes around." Just heard Michael Vick has a broken hand. Hopefully it's the hand that tortured and killed defenseless dogs.

I'm watching the game at this moment and Vick is still out. He's done his time, returned to the game with dignity, and deserves to move on with his life without folks crying out for more punishment.

Karma
 

Little Red....
 

I don't think Little Red is going to shed any tears over Mr. Vick either.

http://youtu.be/HiVboulBkqQ

Some people like to beat a dead horse.

Actually I don't believe in beating any animal, dead or alive. :0000000000luvmyhors

Here we go again!

Mike Vick likes to beat a live dog

Instant Karma for Vick
 

I saw Vick at a news conference today studded out with huge diamond studs in both ears whining and crying about being "hit" and he doesn't understand why this is happening to him and on and on. I never heard Steeler's Rothesberger whining at a press conference after a game when he's been unfairly hit numerous times and not protected as well as he should have been. Sorry I don't like Vick's "I am entitled" personality. :spoken:

Ditto!

I know everyone here who loves animals feels awful about what he did but give it a break. He spent 1.5 years behind bars while some criminals who hurt people (and some manslaughter crimes) get less. Time to let it go.

I hope those of you that can't forgive never need forgiveness in your life or your family's life.

I don't want to wish bad things on him--those will happen or not on their own.

BUT, I think there is a difference between being "unforgiving" and having a right to say what we think is repugnant behavior by a "celebrity"--a person who is "celebrated" in the media, in front of our children and grandchildren.

ce·leb·ri·ty noun \sə-ˈle-brə-tē\

1: the state of being celebrated : fame
2: a famous or celebrated person

www.merriam.com

This is a nasty break for Michael,,,,,,,,,However there was some good news that came out of this .....While he's off on medical leave he has taken a job at a local kennel..........

:popcorn: fumar

I make no apologies
 

for my feelings about Mr. Vick. If this is disrupting your game then don't read it. I would also like to add that if you can't be supportive about a thread you might want to consider being quiet!

What Michael Vick did may not bother you as much as it does me or others on this thread.... So ignore it so we can grieve for the dogs that were abused while Mr. Vick goes back to his old life. We don't believe that he is sorry for what he did... We believe that he is sorry for getting caught!

NO! I do not forgive him and I would wonder about myself if I did. I am a dog rescuer.... I am one of the people who works to try to place these abused dogs.

Many of you can be as ignorant as you want because you don't have your name or your pictures up here.... You just can't wait to jump on a thread and be as mean as you can be. I call that bullying... You don't even try to be funny.... You just try to be mean! You know who you are!

This is TOTV.... America's Friendliest Hometown??? Really???? Because I'm missing it!

Deperate for a hero
 

It sad to see people so deperate for a hero that they worship a man that beats dogs for fun. This is just further proof that the legal system in the US is broken. Michael Vick should have gone to jail for a long long time. I agree with some of the posters on here. A lot of highly intelligent people think that the justice system didn't protect against the cruel treatment of animals that couldn't defend themselves. Obviously your mothers forgot to tell you something. IF you don't have something nice to say - just shut the hell up. :agree::agree::agree:

Word has it that Vick will be the Ambassador in the Rose Bowl parade next Jan. and will be on the national taxidermy float ,,,,,, should be quite a spectacle........I for one can't wait,,,,,,,:0000000000luvmyhors Now thats nice !!!!!

smell the roses fumar:a040::a040:

Not trying to start an argument but from what I remember about the case he was given almost the max sentence that ANYONE who commits this crime receives. But please don't say that those of us who think justice was served are either not animal lovers nor unintelligent. I am neither.
I couldn't care less if Vick ever plays again but not for the reasons you've stated.

It seems that when animals are involved the crowd gets very restless. I hope you have the same passion for all injustices.

If he had done to a child what he did to these dogs.... Would you feel that he should go back to being a "hero"? Or do you know what he did to the dogs?

Actually he could have gotten 6 years and a $350,000 fine.

You assume too much. I'm also pretty tired of people throwing up the "America's Friendliest Hometown" slogan whenever someone disagrees with them.

What Vick did is over and done with. Let's talk about the treatment of greyhounds. That's something that's still going on.

Now that wasn't a very nice thing to say so maybe you should take your own advice. Furthermore, why are you bringing mothers into this?

Boy Howdy.

Think----Its time to end this.

True but standard sentencing guidelines were followed based on his previous record etc.

But he did a fair amount of time IMO.

Of course not. But he didn't. Like it or not animal cruelty is not on a par with human cruelty. Nor should it be. Yes I know a lot about the case. Including the fact that we seem to be ignoring. The fact that a lot of this is cultural. Dog fighting (and other animal fighting and subsequent cruel treatment) is still taking place in many parts of the southern U.S. Should it be stopped? Of course but the practice is part of many cultures.

And you'll never see me calling him a hero. In fact I don't think anyone here called him that did they?

Do we have to endure a new thread every time Vick does anything football related? Why was this thread started? Go read the first post. It had to do with one person taking joy from another person being injured. Sad, regardless of your personal thoughts about Vick.

Yes, it IS "cultural", and that is why it's being talked about here.

Our culture nurtures and throws its money at a lot of trashy behavior and crime.

If it's a money-making opportunity on a stage or field in the broadcasting world, the "dogs" licking their chops to make more money are right there salivating to make the deals.

"Falcons owner Arthur Blank did not want Vick on the Falcons, and after attempts to trade him failed, Vick was released. He signed with the Philadelphia Eagles and was reinstated in Week 3 of the 2009 season." (wikipedia)

The fact that Vic has served his sentence in the eyes of the law does not preclude animal lovers from despising him as an individual. I and no doubt others here on TOTV feel that in addition to his punishment by the law, the National Football League should have banned him from the game for life for his despicable abuse of ‘man’s best friend’.

Think about it. Pete Rose, arguable one of the greatest ball players of the 20th century was permanently banned from the Hall of Fame for simply betting on sports games. And when he bet on Reds games, he always bet for his team, not against it.

True - but those were the rules that he (and the baseball union) agreed to when he started to play. (I think the NFL has such rules as well involving betting)

I have no issue if the NFL wants to implement rules for themselves involving felony convictions, but they currently don't. It would have to apply to all felonies. But the NFL just instituted a new 10 year agreement with the union so don't hold your breath.


BTW: I despise Vick as well but I believe in our system of justice even when things like this (or OJ or Casey Anthony) happen.

I agree with the last statement above, but I think it's fairly obvious that our system of justice is being molded (slowly) to meet the demands of pop culture and what is constantly making "news" on the 24-hour "news" networks.

So you are telling people to shut up? :ohdear:

:bigbow:

amen

Forgiveness
 

Forgiveness if one thing..Being held accountable for your actions and facing the consequences is another. Of course a 1 1/2 years in confinement and
then going back to making millions is not really experiencing the consequences of your behavior which cost the lives and tourture of many
defenseless animals. If you are capable of that you obviously are without
some form of conscience. I guess the theory of some is that being a
sociopath is only if you kill people and that killing other forms of life is just
a misunderstood cultural thing. :spoken:

You hit the nail on the head Russ. Opps! I hope I haven't offended anyone in the Carpenter's Union with that statement.

This thread looks too much like the political forum, and politics in general, for my taste. When did we lose the ability to disagree without being disagreeable?

What did you expect? Read the very first post again.

Forgiveness on our part (humans) generally involves: a : to give up resentment of or claim to requital for <forgive an insult>
b : to grant relief from payment of <forgive a debt> ( merriam.com )

It does not mean that we should stop identifying actions that are morally wrong and criminal. Forgiveness does not mean we should never mention those misdeeds again nor speak out against it.

If the wrongs of Vick (not him as a person) were not condemned vocally and publicly, how would kids learn that such behaviors are NOT the road to success (except in Hollywood and pro sports)???

I'm with you!
 

:clap2:I'm with you, eweissenbach! It would be great if we could disagree with an air of kindness and respect, at least outside of the political forum.

Well said!!!

At the request of villagegolfer I decided to go back and read the first post of this thread.

He probably used both hands and, as Forrest Gump would say, "That's all I have to say about that"

What about those poor greyhounds!

Russ, this was a logical and to the heart of the matter response and I agree with all of your posts 100% on this topic.