Is There An Explanation I'm Missing?
 

We have a POTUS whose favorability rating among all Americans is near record lows. Clearly, the right GOP candidate has a wide open opportunity to make Barack Obama a one-term president.

But we have a field of Republican candidates which includes only three candidates that any reasonable person would say has the intelligence, temperament and experience to serve as our president. Of those three, probably only two could reasonably be expected to win the 2012 general election. Yet less than half of Republicans would vote for those three candidates. More than half of GOP primary voters still support candidates who are obviously flawed in one way or another, a couple embarrassingly so, but more importantly hold no chance whatsoever of getting a 51% plurality of Americans voting in the general election.

Why? Is there some reason why the majority of Republicans are still supporting primary candidates who are incompetent to serve as president and hold no chance of winning the general election? Are Republicans so confident that ANY Republican candidate will be elected, even if they are clearly unqualified to serve in that position? That would be false confidence and a really bad electoral outcome, for sure.

Voters have a free choice, no doubt. But why are we continuing to choose and support candidates who are so obviously flawed? Wouldn't Republicans be better served by coalescing behind one or two competent and competitive candidates? Please, try to answer the question and try to avoid attacking me for asking about what is so obvious

That is only your OPINION. Look at 2008 and the dems had to choose from a few incompetents, namely Hillary and Mr. TelePrompter, John, fake war hero, Kerry.

Two words. Grover Norquist.

"Incompetent" is a relative term. All presidential contenders and winners have been "incompetent" in some way or another, because they are human beings, not God.

Many said Reagan and Clinton--two favorites in recent decades--were "incompetent" too, but I don't think they were in the overall picture.

Thinking people look at the whole picture that includes not only a technician's skill in a couple of key subjects such as economy or foreign policy, but also

- character,
- personal integrity;
- diplomacy;
- trustworthiness;
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles;
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals.

Personally, I don't know how anyone can say that Romney, Gingrich, Perry or Cain (even with his latest speechlessness on Libya) are "incompetent". They have proven experience that clearly states the contrary. They are accomplished people who have personal weakness in knowledge, as anyone would.

Don't forget that major B.S. fills in a lot of knowledge gaps to make most politicians look "competent". It's usually a question of whether you want a consummate B.S. artist and pleaser, or a statesman who is humble enough to look beyond himself for advisement on the major issues.

ilovetv: Well stated. People also forget that leader at all levels and indifferent occupations can succeed in their professional pursuits but fail in their private lives. That is why a Clinton was o popular a president in spite of his personal indescritions . Voters need to focus on how their candidate will perform in the political arena

A perfect description of our Commander-In-Chief.

coralway: And your saying that with a straight face. Geeeez.. God bless your heart. I'll bet your really good at poker.

Yea, that was a reasonable description in 1987.

No, only this part describes him:

"Don't forget that major B.S. fills in a lot of knowledge gaps to make most politicians look "competent". It's usually a question of whether you want a consummate B.S. artist and pleaser"

- character, - CHECK
- personal integrity; - CHECK
- diplomacy; - CHECK
- trustworthiness; - CHECK
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; - CHECK
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals - CHECK

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl:

Coralway, you're making a lot of people laugh today. You should be on the stage. (One is leaving in ten minutes.....ba da dum)

So, you've seen the pizza guy's interview on Libya too, hu?

That was absolutely the funniest dad--dummit thing since .... well .... the Wasilla Quitta told us she can see russia from her veranda.

No - no - no - since The Quitta told us North Korea is one of our allies......

Can't make this stuff up

Hilary is incompetent, but Bush was not? Come on...are you for real?

Newtie does not have character, personal intergrity or trustworthiness.

BUT, Neuter does possess tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles.

As he is a serial adulterer, we already are familiar with his foundational truths and core principles.

QUOTE]Originally Posted by coralway
- character, - CHECK
- personal integrity; - CHECK
- diplomacy; - CHECK
- trustworthiness; - CHECK
- tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; - CHECK
- statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals - CHECK [/QUOTE]

First of all........:1rotfl:barf:

Character....Rev. Wright .... Van Jones .... anybody in Chicago that helped him!
Personal integrity....Solindra....Fast & furious for starters.

Diplomacy.....Open mic.Trustworthiness..... Gitmo .... Bait & switch on healthcare funds and how it will be paid for (not)!

Tenacity in staying true to foundational truths and core principles; ......Boy has he ever. He has stayed a leftist,marxsist,idealoge from beginning to end.

Statesmanship enough to put the good of the nation above his own party's
grip on power, and above the demands of idealogical individuals. ..... Once again I must say ........:1rotfl:barf:

If Hilary was not married to Bill Clinton, nobody would know her. She is a nothing. Talk about marrying into celebrity. Without Bubba she would be just another common housewife.

Sounds like your describing Kennedy, Edwards, Barney Frank,Bill Clinton,JFK, etc. etc.

Tells a lot about your opinion of women in general. :doh:

You know nothing, per usual. My opinion was of Hilary only.

This is such nonsense. "Cain paused 11 seconds before he answered!!!" OMG, did a timer go off? Did he only have 10 seconds to answer?

Oh, and the question on "collective bargaining"; CAIN WAS RIGHT!!!; and the REPORTERS FOR THE MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL WERE WRONG!!! They admit this later when nobody's paying attention anymore.

But we'll keep showing the video of Cain getting his thoughts together because we have to destroy this conservative black man before he has a chance to run against our savior.

Liberals are disgusting, sometimes.
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YOU WANT TO SEE INCOMPETENCE?? Here's Barack Hussein Obama STUMBLING FOR 38 SECONDS!!! 38 SECONDS OF COMPLETE GIBBERISH!!

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Just like all those other Harvard lawyers......just a common housewife. I sure hope you don't have daughters.

I sure hope you don't have sons.

I hope she has daughters and they do not turn out like Hillary.
How could you wish someone not to have a daughter or son.
I guess we should all send our sons and daughters to you because you would teach them everything they need to be a good leftist. No thanks!

By the way did you know anything about Hillary before Bubba was president other than maybe she was named after Sir Hillary?

I guess you hit a nerve since your destruction of coralway's fawning fantasies about BHO were ignored. Good going.

Sometimes being faced with the facts will do that.

Why yes I did...she was on the cover of Life Magazine while still a college student in 1974 and she worked on the Nixon watergate investigation.

You are obviously just looking for ways to vent your conservative point of view. All I said was that someone who thinks a Yale educated lawyer would be just another housewife without her husband is kind of a out of touch with the realities of the 21rst century. And I certainly do not want your sons and daughters.....keep them, PLEASE!!!!!

Man, there sure is alot of animosity spewed around here.You would think that people's children would be exempt from the hatred around here.

It seems to me that Hillary (and most of us) would not be the strong and disciplined person she is without her "just a housewife" mom, Dorothy:

"Hillary Diane Rodham was born Oct. 26, 1947, in Chicago. Her father, Hugh Ellsworth Rodham, owned a textile business and her mother Dorothy Emma Howell, was a homemaker....."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WhoIs/story...1#.TsPymmBHBMo

When I say what I say on here I don't consider it venting, I consider it educating for some.
And 2nd, seems like a long time from 74 to when Bill was pres. before we heard of her again. By the way I don't think that women get their strength from their husbands so we actually believe the same here. I think it bothers you more that I am conservative than what I might believe about women.
Do you think you vent on here?
And thank you I WILL keep my daughter. I don't believe you two would get on well. She respects me and my beliefs and she believes what she wants and I respect that. (not always the same)

I suspect you are not up on the work of Hillary Clinton, Notlongago
 

-for the better part of her entire adult life. Having met and worked for her
offices with regard to the safety and health of children and families in this Country, I would say YOUR daughter is the better for this Secretary of State's life's work and intention...in all areas of her political life.

And, I recognize the Political Forum on TOTV is a place where blustery repubs hold court daily on the way things were, are, or or are supposed to be, however, when you have it wrong, you have it wrong, bigtime. Perhaps you need to review of literature on the work of Hillary Clinton before you blast off into areas you apparently know very little about. I believe even some of your constituents here would agree to that. Why not find some other woman to plunder?

Does not bother me at all that you are conservative. I don't care what you or anyone else is unless they make such ridiculous statements like the one you made about women. Hiliary worked for years as an advocate for children and I was aware of her through all those years as well.

Venting? Well I know I will never change your mind about a darn thing and I know you will never change mine...so you are never really addressing me anyway; you are fanning your own beliefs because you KNOW those of your ilk will agree with you. I never think I will change anyone's beliefs, so their response to what I say is predictable and does not bother me in the least. I would love an original response....but they never come.

You said this all much better than I did..thanks for being so clear and eloquent.

I think you have the wrong person in your sights. I said nothing about Hillary being good, bad or indifferent. I wish she was president rather than Obama. I do think it is wrong to believe that she would be where she is without SOME help from her husband. You know, he was president. That has got to help. I had never heard of her before he ran for president. That is probably because I was not running in the same circles you must have.

My response was more about wishing someone had or did not have daughters. I thought that that was out of bounds!
I don't know much about Hillary because I don't really care what someone who has such differing opinions than mine and could care less about what I think, is doing.
Your assertion that I may not be as educated as you may be on Hillary may be correct. However if I wanted to "Plunder" her I could find all I need to do so, however I have not.
I will read up though just so I can be on the level with you!

OK, that did not take long. She went to Harvard and Yale.
(sounds like a 1%'er to me)

Became a lawyer. Practiced law, in other words did her job.
Was a young rebublican and then something happened because she worked to try and elect Goldwater, Mondale and was sucsessful with Carter, if you want to call that a sucsess. So she worked on many campaigns as have many americans that I don't know their story either.

Married Bill, Bill became Gov. and she began to sit on many boards, I wonder if Bill being Gov. had anything to do with that. I have no evidence, just wondering.

Rose Law firm, White Water, Can't recall Hmmm......can't recall.
Bill president, Hillary on healthcare committee ( behind closed doors), ran for president herself and did not get the nomination and was appointed to her position by the person who beat her out.

To date I think she has been a average Secretary of State but not bad.
In my estimation has shown to be pretty smart not to run for president again.

Oh! and does not like to stay home and bake cookies. Oh, and forgives adultery, so I guess that works out for Newt!

Did I miss anything that matters?

Looks to me like politics and politicians have been good for her career.

Now I believe I know some of what I talk about.
But that is not what I was talking about in my previous posts.

So, you females are telling me that Hilary would have become famous and become Secretary of State if she did not marry Bubba Clinton and become first Lady? Yea right,And I have some swamp land to sell you. GEEZ!!!! : )

From many sources from the secret service and military, Hilary Clinton is arrogant and despises the military. She is a despicable and hateful woman who hooked onto Bubba even though he embarrassed her at every chance he could be his infidelities. She knew she was a nothing and going nowhere so she rode Bubba's coattails to the White House. She would have been respected if she divorced Billy Boy and made it on her own, which nobody thinks she could have.Nuff said.

Loveithere,
I think the bio. that I read about her backs up your assumtion, even though that is not what they intended.
To be fair we all get help somewhere from someone.
My problem is that so many people want to label their political leaders as some sort of god or above average american.
I would bet that if we did half what some of these "gods" did we would have 3 squares and about 60 to 100 square feet to live in.

Dueling Rants
 

Wow! Did this thread get off the train track. Like many posts here, I guess it's the dueling rants that satisfy too many people.

I guess that explains why Larry, Moe and Curly continue to poll more support combined than any one or two of the GOP candidates who really might be qualified to be POTUS and have a chance to beat President Obama.

That kind of explains how our government got to where it is now and why it will be so difficult to change it back to the kind of government we all desire and expect.

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