Grandchildren Living In The Villages
 

I started a new thread on this subject since I was the one who began the discussion! Gracie and Bogie Shooter, I wish I could answer the questions you posted regarding this. Here is what I know: We played golf today with a couple who live in Hadley. I don't know their names and I don't know their address, and if I did know I wouldn't post that info here....I know you understand. They have lived in their home for over 3 years, that I can tell you. We were talking about the fact that there seems to be more and more young people living here and she relayed to me that in her neighborhood there are several couples who have their children, in their 20s, living back at home with them. She went on to tell me that across the cul-de-sac from her house there is a couple who added on to their home so they could take in their 2 young grandchildren. This did not sound to me like a 30-day visit, the supposed maximum that our grandchildren are allowed to be here. I'd like to think that there might be a legitimate reason as to why these little kids are living there. So, do I know this to be a fact? No, not from my own personal knowledge. The woman who told me about this seemed to be very nice and very honest. I had no reason to NOT believe her. She DOES live across the street and it would seem feasible that she would have her facts straight.

I thought there was a rule that noone under 19 could live in TV. Young children would be a no-no! Someone should look into this. As for adding on...there is a house backing up to Odell Circle between Hadley Pool and Odell Pool that is adding on a significant addition---wonder if that's the one you speak of??!!!

Did she know the ages of the two young grandchildren? If they are over 19 they are "legal". ( I have seven grandchildren over 19).

Deed enforcement is resident complaint controlled. An anonymous phone call will correct the problem.

I don't know where the house is, just that she said "Hadley". I don't know of any special circumstances which would allow young grandchildren to live with their grandparents but perhaps someone DOES know? What about disabilities of some kind? Are THOSE children under 19 allowed here?

Downeaster, I only heard her say that the grandchildren were young. I took that to mean that they were way under 19.

No, there are no special covenants or circumstances that would allow a person under 19 to be living in The Villages for more than 30 days a year.

All it takes is one person to blow the whistle and the homeowners would have to make other arrangements while they are caring for the under 19 year old.

Everyone signed the same documents when they moved to The Villages.

Buggyone -- Not everyone signed those documents -- long-term renters signed rental agreements and leases. The homeowners signed the CCRs.

I bought a resale and signed no documents saying young children were not allowed to live in the Villages.

Then your Realtor did you a disservice. Go whoop his :0000000000luvmyhors

"THOSE" Children
 

Made me shudder when I read VillagesFlorida write "children with disabilities...are THOSE children allowed to live here...ugh. Aside from whatever the rules are..."THOSE" children are no different from children with other abilities so let's be more sensitive. I am sure this person did not mean to say how their post sounds, but as someone who works with people with disabilities, it struck a nerve.

I didn't read it that way. I can't speak for the poster but I think they were making the point that maybe "THOSE" children would be excluded from the the contract.

With all due respect I think you might be sensitive because you work with people with "disabilities". I could say that as a person with a "disability" and, aren't we all, I could take exception to your pointing out that people with "disabilities" should be treated different. They really aren't any more different then the rest of us.... they just show their disability on the outside where the rest of us can hide ours on the inside.

Now.... back to topic. Children under 19 are not to be in The Villages for longer then 30 days and that's why many of us live here.

The Villages is an adult community and therefore noone under the age of 19 can live here, that is Florida law. Just like the 20% under 55 rule is Florida law not The Villages rules. If someone blows the whistle, the residents will be forced to make other arrangements.

Just leave this alone.Care for yourself. We do not know the facts. Do not start making phone calls. Its the season.Be nice

Isn't this the holiday season?
 

If the children aren't bothering you directly let it go. What if you drop a dime on them and they are returned to an abusive or irresponsible parent. Then you read or hear about some tragedy - let their neighbors make and live with that choice.

I agree. If you notice, the word DOES is also capitalized, which makes me think that DOES and THOSE were written in upper case for emphasis.

Just my opinion........

All that stuff is in the deed restrictions. You do not sign on to the deed restrictions, they go with the land. If you have not read them prior to closing, shame on you!! In the last section of the restrictions for my district, it says that the owners have an obligation to see that the restrictions are enforced, including by litigation. A bit harsh maybe, but it ensures equal and even enforcement.

This thread got me to thinking. If you do not decide to ignore certain deed restrictions, it is the same as not honoring your word. Like Baretta said, "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Or you can look at it this way,Maybe we should just mine our own business. We are not the "Village Police". Seems that a few people on this site have to much time on their hands.

Well said.:agree:

Under 19
 

Seems to me there was an earlier post on this same topic. There was circumstances and I believe TV new about it. The Mom was stationed in a war zone and there were no other relatives. I believe a time line was given and the neighbors were made aware of it. So lets not stir the pot to much. Could also be another rumor, god knows we've had them before. That's it for me. MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY HANUKKAK .

Here we go!
 

Here we go again, Rules were made to be broken. Right!

Lawyer Scott was made famous up here, He built his lake home four feet on the neighnors property.

Now it took a four year court/media battle between the Village and lawyer Scott.

In the end the people won his home was torn down and 20% of the village felt sorry for the lawyer who ignored the law.

His poster Bill Board on rte 690 used to say.

Ignorance is Bliss but it does not hold up in Court. Hmmmmm

Rules and law are part of society. Not to be broken by" Feelings"

IMHO just the way it is. We all play by the established rules unless a majority has them changed. It has nothing to do with case by case.

:agree:

That would apply to YOU as well, Right? :icon_wink:

:):evil6::)

paulandjean---I totally agree with you. My business and none of your business!

You are still subject to matters of record( Deed restrictions and covenants) Your realtor should have made these available to you . But no matter you are bound.

We have people living in cars,and park benches,vacant homes with nothing, and you want to call the village police on them.Maybe you should try walking in their shoes for a day. So you read something about village restrictions and you sign it and now you are suppose to turn in your neighbor.There are some people on this site that act so sweet,so many people just love them,but actually they are very mean women.

No child under 19 can live here for more than 30 days in the year.

No exceptions. It is on the DEED, so renters and resales are included.

I have heard that no matter what it will be enforced.

No need to worry, when it is discovered, the kids will move or the owners and the kids will move. And because of legal processes it won't be by Christmas.

It is what it is.

We all knew this or should have known this and ignorance of the fact is not going to change the legality of the deed restrictions.

I love children, I adore children. We bought in a retirement community that doesn't allow you to park your boat or RV or nest your pink flamingo or have children under the age of 19 stay with you for more than 30 days a year..

If you love this part of Florida and your small children must live with you, they are going to have to live outside of The Villages.

That would be me.

SPOTD Award
 

I suppose you also want to be in the running for the SWIMDAWG Post of the Day Award with that one! :)

I asked a simple question. My thinking was along the lines of perhaps a disabled child who might be confined to bed or children who require more specialized care due to emotional or physical disabilities. If YOU choose to read more into my post than what I wrote that is your perogative. Please don't assume that I do not know anything about children with disabilities. My brother, who lived with grand mal seizures due to epilepsy long before there were drugs to help him, was taunted by classmates until my parents removed him from school. A brain injury, suffered as a small child left him with emotional and mental disabilities, in addition to the devastating effects of his epilepsy. He required supervision and care and could not have lived on his own. You stated that ......"THOSE" children are no different from children with other abilities". My brother was very different from other kids his age and he certainly did not have the same abilities these kids had. He had "gifts" that some other kids did not have and we loved him for who he was. Since I do NOT know the answer to my question, I was asking whether or not anyone else knew if children needing specialized care, under age 19, might be allowed to live here. It was a simple question and could have been answered simply. Please do not criticize me for posting information that was told to me in good faith.

I am assuming that you are referring to me and I apologize for the snarky icon.

However, the rules are the rules are the rules and I was taught to obey the rules.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You are entitled to yours. It just seems that every time someone posts something that you don't agree with, you comment that we "have too much time on our hands". Apparently, that doesn't apply to you.

Just please try to knock off the insults and express your opinion without insulting others.

Gracie...you couldn't be mean unless your life depended on it. Merry Christmas to you!:)

I agree. The deed restrictions and covenants need to be followed. If not, why bother having them? Everyone needs to be treated the same per the restrictions or covenants.

Beware of the Boomer. Rules are only a small inconvenience.

[/QUOTE] Please do not criticize me for posting information that was told to me in good faith.[/QUOTE]

The problem when you post something told to you in good faith is that it is nothing more than an unfounded rumor and can set off a number of provoking discussions especially when the topic touches a sensitive nerve or subject. BTW I abide (at least I think I do) by the deed restrictions.

The problem when you post something told to you in good faith is that it is nothing more than an unfounded rumor and can set off a number of provoking discussions especially when the topic touches a sensitive nerve or subject. BTW I abide (at least I think I do) by the deed restrictions.[/QUOTE]



You are so right Caroline...AND BY THE WAY....Do you folks know this poster, Caroline, is a male who lives in Caroline? And always the voice of reason.

This is a rumor, but probably the rules need to be brought to the attention of potential buyers. It sure hit MY hot button.:undecided:

And VillagesFlorida who is a girl and NOT VillagesFl who is a guy...VillagesFlorida...anyone who has read your posts would know that you are kind and sensitive. (I wish you'd put your sweet picture on again, because I had you mixed up for awhile)

What would we do without each other to point out things and make us think?

disabilities
 

Different children need different support whoever they are. I do not think children themselves are different, I think their needs can be different and yes I am sensitive, probably overly so, to how things are worded or said as I do advocacy and work for inclusive living. I have also fostered 55 special needs and high risk foster children and have had to fight for their place in the community and at school.
We just bought in The Villages. I was told that you can have people 19 and older living in your house-no one can do anything about that. However, unless they are on the deed, they can only use the ammenities with a guest pass and have TV privileges with a pass. So sometimes they can have a pass and then there has to be a break before they can get another. No one can force anyone out of your house 19 and over but they will be restricted without the guest pass or being put on the deed.
I am not wanting to create controversy, sorry, just was reacting to large letters which to me stung. I see it was not meant. We all learn by communicating.

Wasn't there a situation in Florida where a grandchild was living with grandparent(s) in an age restricted community and the courts forced a resolution? The child HAD to leave so the grandparents moved?

Alas, with life as it is today, so many grandchildren are becoming wards of their grandparents. While it is instinctively what any grandparent would do, it really can't be done here...them's the rules. One thing to think about is the lack of other children...kids need to be with their peers. It does seem heartless and mean spirited to not allow children to stay, BUT we all signed deed restrictions...and it doesn't matter, it's there whether we like it or not, however it is not fair to those who have chosen to live in an age restricted development. Why should their rights and desires be minimized?

We really have no idea if what is thought to be regarding youngsters mentioned in this thread is truth or fiction. All we are stating is our feelings and opinions. Some of us want to go by the established rules that this community has regarding who can be here and for how long, others want to bend the rules because they can sympathize with the situation. Believe me, those of us who want the rules aren't heartless and unsympathetic, however, many moved here because of those restrictions, why do they have to be the ones to sacrifice. As sad as it is, resolution can happen, but it will mean additional sacrifice by the grandparents...they will have to find other living facilities. It is what it is.

Assuming that the original post is correct and a house is being expanded to accommodate young children living with grandparents, we are told by some that we should ignore it. OK, but where should the line be drawn? What other restrictions can we ignore in order to mind our own business? If I have a neighbor who has a partly dismantled car in his driveway, is that OK? Or how about the neighbor who refuses to maintain his landscaping so his weed seeds blow onto others' properties? What about the neighbor who is running a business out of his home resulting in a lot of vehicular traffic and parked cars on our street all day and night? Ignore that, too?

If we start determining which regulations we will abide by and which we allow ourselves to ignore, we start on the slippery slope toward a community with ever decreasing value.

We had a wonderful neighbor who, due to circumstances beyond his control, was forced to take in his daughter and her young children. Since 30 days would not be enough, and, knowing the rules, he sold his house and moved out of TV so he could do what he had to. No one had to force him to do this. He knew what was right and what was wrong.

The attitude that "I'll break the rules and wait for them to catch me" is abhorrent to me. I was not brought up that way.

Epilepsy
 

Sorry about your brother. I used to be the Executive Director of the British Columbia (Canada) Epilepsy Society. It is a very tough disorder and children with seizures really do suffer from ridicule, embarrassment and isolation. I also had a foster son for 7 years wth autism, epilepsy and totally visually impaired. When I left Canada, he went to live in a new foster home. The foster mother left him in the bath tub while she went to take a phone call and have a cigarette. He had a seziure and passed away in the tub. Epilepsy is one of the most stigmatized disorders. I understand your pointof view.

I live in a patio home community up north. Patio homes in WNY are strictly "geared" for seniors. However, there are no rules or regulations stating that children cannot live here. There is one lone family with children who lives here. It breaks my heart to see these children amongst all us seniors. They have no peers to play with......and we're all "old". Children just do not belong in senior communities. It's not fair to the children! A short visit is delightful.....but for children to live in a senior community is wrong...........and not fair to the old or the young. IMHO.