Washington Post: "Rejecting of Keystone Pipeline; Act of National Insanity"
 

A column by Robert J. Samuelson in the liberal minded Washington Post blasts the Obama Administration's rejection of the Keystone Pipeline as an act of "national insanity" with no benefit for the American people, coupled with achieving no redeeming virtues, and only partisan symbolism as it's result.

posted FYI

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...6AQ_story.html

Ain't that the truth. :ohdear:

we the people are getting what we deserve!!

btk

Damn if I deserve it.

For the life of me, I cannot understand this one. Why, what for ?????????????

I'm sure you read the article in today's newspaper that said "Exxon Mobile agreed Thursday to pay Montana $1.6 million in penalties over water pollution caused by a pipeline break last summer that fouled dozens of miles of shoreline along the scenic Yellowstone River".

The benefits far outweigh the risks involved.

the impacts are never presented is perspective. Only with sensationalized focus.
Where was the leak? Size of area impacted out of the total sensitive area? Did Exxon do the right things when it happened?

No different than the drilling for oil smoke job issues in the Alaskan outback. The size of the area to be drilled in comparison to the overall was akin to a grain of sand on the beach. The notion of affecting the caribou was touted by the opposition. Yes they were correct it did affect the animals, but in a positive way. They prefer to migrate around the facilities as they generate small amounts of heat....which they like!!!

Out of context case making is so easy to present...unfortunately too many Americans only source of information is the media and they believe only what they hear and see.

As a media executive once told me in a discussion regarding truth/accuracy; he said their priority was to be first. The truth and accuracy would sort itself as a story unfolds.

btk

First the Boeing plant in South Carolina, and now the pipeline. Does this current president ever learn by any of his mistakes?

Have you forgotten about that BP oil spill disaster in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010?

Have you forgot our huge dependence on foreign oil?

The BP oil spill is now just a memory, like the Exxon Valdez.

Still well worth the risks involved.


Do you know the oil will go to China instead, pumping into and shipping off in tankers off our coastline? Any chance for a spill there?

Only in that scenario we only get the spill and not the energy. Great plan liberals...............great plan.

Unbelievable!
 

Think of what the Obama decision really says...

The United States, with all it technological skill and business expertise, is incapable of building and operating a long steel tube that won't leak.

That notwithstanding the desirability of tapping new sources of oil and the jobs the project might produce.

This is the same country that put a man on the moon? And we're going to make wind or solar power a major industry? Yeah, right.

Unbelievable!

Yep, it's not like the Pickens Plan grew any legs.

Last November, the State Department ordered TransCanada to find a new route so the pipeline would not cross the Sand Hills, following vocal protest from Nebraska landowners, environmentalists and state legislators.

TransCanada had agreed to work with officials in Nebraska and at the State Department on the new pipeline path — a decision that eliminated opposition from Nebraska legislators — but the company had not yet proposed the route.


vancouversun.com

Please someone enlighten me. What does the State Department have to do with oil pipelines? Origin Canada?

Congress has recourse. Let's see The House take action !!!!!


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...2F+Top+News%29

Exactly right. It's the border crossing that is the reason Obama can stick his nose in.

There are reports that the company is looking at going ahead with building most of the pipeline from Montana to the Gulf Oil Region refiners bypassing the need for federal approval. This would enable the transport of the immense oil deposits of the Bakken shale rock formation.

Later the company could apply to build the short distance the rest of the way into Canada. I'm guessing they know Obama can't be there forever.

Independent entrepreneurs finding a way. Ever the American way of doing things.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...al-review.html

Obama is kowtowing to the affluent environmentalist many who are big contributors and provide a great campaign network for his re-election. Environmentalist are liberals but in their environmental quest, not liberal, and in fact deter growth. These are people who like the environmental status quo As the Forest Service use to say "the person who built his mountain cabin last year is an environmentalist. The person who wants to build one this year is a developer." Environmentalist have spent 30 years trying to hide this simple truth william Tucker, American Spectator Jan 20th

Build baby, build.

Gee - I wonder who Owns "Alberta based" TransCanada?

They are not mistakes in his opinion.

Who?

That might depend on where you are.....

Here is who......

http://stockzoa.com/cusip/89353d107/

You know if the oil companies where not forced to go off shore and drill 5 miles down in the ocean where it is all but impossible to work on and stop the leak if something happens, and allowed to drill on shore in the many many places that have huge reserves and much less chance of disaster..........your question would not be posed!
It is the uber left that thinks we can run the country on foreign oil, sun rays, cannibus leaves and incence that caused that spill ( and some stupid people running it)
but they would not have been there if we would just wake up and drill in shallow water and on land until REAL alternative energy is viable!!!

So true.

I'm not sure whether to applaud you or LMAO at this ridiculous truths in your post...:bigbow: :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: :bigbow:

I will accept both!

Where in the US are HUGE reserves of drillable oil?

I'll take it any way I can get it, especially the oil is on this continent. You won't be able to stop the people from claiming this energy forever. They (we) won't stand for it much longer.

ALASKA! TEXAS COAST shallow water. Oklahoma, Colorado, California shallow water just off the coast (this will never happen) You know those people out there don't want to look at rigs from their beach house!, New Mexico and many others but who is going to search when you can't even get a permit unless you want to put up wind generators or mfg. solar panel (take the money, make a few panels go bankrupt).

I know why don't we give Brazil a billion or two, maybe three to help them drill so we can watch them sell it to our enemies.

No wait, I think someone has already done that!

Don't you hate it when all the good ideas are taken.

The question was asked as "Drillable oil" .... I have lived in Colorado for 45 years, since I was a teenager. The supposed oil in Colorado in NOT drillable nor it is oil. For some reason Republican canidates have been speading a rumor that the US has more oil resources than the Middle East. There has been several oil shale boom/bust cycles have come and gone in Colorado. Now there is a new process which requires FRACKING, I don't drink bottled water but some people do now after the Natural Gas people came in and used FRACKING to release the gas. Now in some counties they can light the water with a match. Not a fun thing.

You might want to read up on FRACKING and the deal VP Cheney made, in serect, with his buddies so they didn't have to disclose the FRACKING fluids contents which means when it gets into the ground water no one can prove it was a fracking fluid.

I live, in the summer, in El Paso county....look it up. Thats part of the new oil zone in Colorado. Check out the link...

http://www.mineralweb.com/2011/08/ne...leasing-booms/

I'm sure you want clean ground water and so do I.

I noticed that you didn't answer the question....maybe its because you know the answer.

OK, some places produce some don't. Sorry your county has not panned out YET! But I still don't hear you even sounding like we should try. You only ask where?
So is you answer to just pay other countries, buy from our enemies and throw good money after bad to companies that get the money only because they backed the president.
Is that your energy plan??

Why not drill in the other places? Why not natural gas,
WHY NOT A PIPE LINE. We only have thousands of them in the US now and for years past.
Have YOU heard of "big pipe line breaks" all over the place in the US, no! I have been to Alaska and walked several places where the pipe line is there and I don't see where this is going to hurt the environment. Hell, the animals love it. It gives them shelter and warmth.

If these things are so bad maybe we should just start the process of removing the thousands of pipe lines we have.

This is political and BS. If you or anybody else thinks it is about the environment they/you are not being honest about the situation or so blinded about keeping your king on the throne they can't see it.

This is political to the bone and makes the Pres. part of the problem and not part of the solution.

I made NO comment on the pipeline...I merely asked a question about drillable oil in the US. If the Oil and Gas companies were threatening your home maybe you would change your tune.

And now for the links regarding oil pipeline leaks.....

http://jackhbarnes.com/2011/01/09/al...-indefinitely/
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/07/1...ls-during.html
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...8CD85F438785F9

Check out whats going on in Denver right now:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_19787661
http://www.examiner.com/green-scienc...-mismanagement
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/2...-platte-river/

We are very careful about water out in the West....mainly because we don't have enough.

Your question.....

OK, some places produce some don't. Sorry your county has not panned out YET! But I still don't hear you even sounding like we should try. You only ask where?

I am NOT sorry my county hasn't panned out...my water is still safe. But this unproven risky source of "oil", and I use that term loosely, is used as part of the statement you referenced in the original post. Cause you believe anything the Republican Talking Points tell you......

I liked the comparison in this mornings paper stating there are some 50,000 miles of pipeline current criss crossing the USA.

While all are operating safely and effectively....NONE...are as safe and environmentally regulated as the 1700 miles that has just been REJECTED.

The environmental issue and the need for more time to study are words for the dummies in the crowd.

btk

It's amazing that liberals who are so "compassionate" for the poor and down trodden don't care at all if struggling families pay 4 or 5 dollars a gallon for gas. Maybe Obama can come up with a gas stamps program for them. After all, food stamps seem to be doing well in the Obama economy.

Yes, given there are already 50 thousand miles of crude oil pipelines criscrossing the U.S, I think we have it pretty well figured out by now.

But lets not get more oil from Canada or drill for it ourselves, we need to keep sending billions of our tax dollars to our enemies for their oil.

Maybe by the time gas is 7 or 8 dollars a gallon, someone will have figured out how to build a solar powered car that goes more than 20 miles and costs less than 45 thousand dollars. I'm sure poor people will celebrate.

I did indeed answer the question. I don't give a whit about the oil gathering process. I said I would take it any way I can get it. Any method, any process, any way at all. We have the technology to extract it?; let's go get it.

Yes; succinct and to the point with all the truth that is needed.

Good post.

Guess I am the liberal you all trying to bash.....

I have never smoked pot in my life.....that started this thread all liberal smoke weed. What a joke.

But this attack I don't get...

It's amazing that liberals who are so "compassionate" for the poor and down trodden don't care at all if struggling families pay 4 or 5 dollars a gallon for gas.


Taking Richie Lion's comment together with this one I quess I expected to care about much you all are paying while you all don't give a damn my about drinking water.

Amazing....

And I thought the Bush's told us the Saudi's were are friends....didn't one hold hands with the King. How did they become the enemy?

Bring on the Bush bashing comments......:boxing2: