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jflynn1 03-23-2012 06:13 AM

Trayvon Martin
 
Interesting: Every News organiozation in the world has been reporting on this tragic event in Sanford Florida. Not One word in the Daily Sun, The Fun Only Newsletter.It is a shame they call themselves a news organization.

villages07 03-23-2012 06:37 AM

We've been so inundated on this incident by the national news outlets and Orlando stations that I had not paid attention to the Sun's coverage. Can't speak about anything prior to today, but Friday's paper, page c8, has a half page AP article.

jblum315 03-23-2012 07:04 AM

I repeat, I repeat, I repeat: The Daily Sun is not a newspaper. It is an advertising vehicle for the developer, who owns it.

graciegirl 03-23-2012 08:21 AM

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OH. The original poster was talking about the SUN, not Trayvon Martin. I leapt to the wrong conclusion.

The Sun is liked better by people who are more of the Republican persuasion. It is liked less by real journalists. It is disliked intensely by folks who are more from the Democrats side of the aisle.

The local news coverage is getting better.

It was one of the things I addressed on my survey. Some of the writers are not very good. Overall it is a pretty good paper for a small town of 90K. I like the Sun. In case you are wondering I am a moderate. Nobody likes my politics.

NotGolfer 03-23-2012 08:39 AM

NOT on the front page...HOWEVER...read yesterday's paper and I think you'll find an article inside, perhaps on the 4th or 5th page. I agree we're unindated with such things. Remember Casey Anthony's trial. I agree this thing was horrible and the shooter should be looked at differently BUT not all the folks jumping on the "band-wagon" etc. Farrikon (I know I spelled it wrong) is in the frey now!

graciegirl 03-23-2012 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 470304)
NOT on the front page...HOWEVER...read yesterday's paper and I think you'll find an article inside, perhaps on the 4th or 5th page. I agree we're unindated with such things. Remember Casey Anthony's trial. I agree this thing was horrible and the shooter should be looked at differently BUT not all the folks jumping on the "band-wagon" etc. Farrikon (I know I spelled it wrong) is in the frey now!

It is an issue not easily understood or solved. The cause of his shooting.


He is a child lost to a family and community who are rightfully grief stricken and angry.


The law...that kind of law may need modifications. It appears the man who shot him followed him against directions from authority, so maybe the law ....who knows? WHO KNOWS???

FMF Doc 03-23-2012 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 470298)
Getting BACK to the original posters subject. I am following it too.

This thread will inevitably be about the law that allows people to protect their property.

I feel that the rally was indeed justified. He was a kid doing nothing wrong. A nice kid. Shot because he was black.

I doubt that the law will be changed. We didn't have such laws in Ohio.

Until I moved here I haven't ever run into such intense support of carrying and owning guns. It is new and confusing and somewhat disturbing to me.

This was a judgement call by the police based on their opinion if Zimmerman acted in self defense or not. Apparently as they first saw things they felt it was and did not charge him. The law may be changed in that a decision not be made so quicly and without input from other departments or agencies.

I feel Zimmerman was in the wrong once he went he became the agreesor in pursuing Martin. The 911 operator even told him not to do that. What a shame to get killed for carrying a bag of skittles.

Gracie, Ohio has been a shall issue permit state for awhile now. Ohio residents do obtain the permits for and do carry concealed weapons.

paulandjean 03-23-2012 09:23 AM

So wrong,glad police chief stepped down.Think there have been other situations in that town of Sanford.Kid cannot even walk to a store for candy without a label put on him. Shooter should see a long long jail time.

army one 03-23-2012 09:29 AM

Innocent until proven guilty not here
 
Here we go again. We are letting the media determine the verdict before the case ever gets to court. We are doing the same as with the Anthony situation. I don't believe half of what any media prints and the other half is always a fabrication. Nuff Sail

billethkid 03-23-2012 09:36 AM

the emoticons are:

he was killed for carrying a bag of candy??? An example of individual extrapolation of facts to make a point.

carrying a gun and permits to do so are at issue? Just another opportunity to question law abiding citizen's right to own/carry a gun. Some how the point that the non law abiding among us will get and carry and use a gun when if there was a law against ownership....even more so once they know the pickings are even easier.

I for one am glad it is not a priority in TV paper. I appreciate the sad state of the incident. I do not appreciate the racist circus the media is helping perpetuate.

btk

PennBF 03-23-2012 10:22 AM

Disgrace
 
The thing I find the most disgraceful is that Sharpton has seen fit to
again try to get publicity from tragedy. We lived about 5 miles from the
Tawana Brawley attempt to destroy a fine family and the antics of
Sharpton who, in the end was sued and lost but the last I heard never
paid the Attorney the settlement. He is below contempt for the
Brawley action. Anything to get his name in the paper. :mad:

RichieLion 03-23-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 470353)
The thing I find the most disgraceful is that Sharpton has seen fit to
again try to get publicity from tragedy. We lived about 5 miles from the
Tawana Brawley attempt to destroy a fine family and the antics of
Sharpton who, in the end was sued and lost but the last I heard never
paid the Attorney the settlement. He is below contempt for the
Brawley action. Anything to get his name in the paper. :mad:

Exactly right. Sharpton has never had to fully answer for his Tawana Brawley hoax, his role in the Freddie's Mart fire and murder or his role in the Crown Heights riots, lootings and murder.

When Sharpton is involved I know something's not right.

paulandjean 03-23-2012 01:36 PM

And you think this guy is a law abiding citizen carry a gun. He stuck his nose into something he should not have.This is nothing about rights to carry guns. Its about a cowboy out of control,killing a child.Hey no problem with Sharpton, this killing went on for a few weeks and nobody knew of it. Good for him standing up for a right cause.

DaleMN 03-23-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 470418)
And you think this guy is a law abiding citizen carry a gun. He stuck his nose into something he should not have.This is nothing about rights to carry guns. Its about a cowboy out of control,killing a child.Hey no problem with Sharpton, this killing went on for a few weeks and nobody knew of it. Good for him standing up for a right cause.

Agree.

CMANN 03-23-2012 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 470418)
And you think this guy is a law abiding citizen carry a gun. He stuck his nose into something he should not have.This is nothing about rights to carry guns. Its about a cowboy out of control,killing a child.Hey no problem with Sharpton, this killing went on for a few weeks and nobody knew of it. Good for him standing up for a right cause.

Show us the proof!

gatherer47 03-23-2012 02:49 PM

The shooter says he acted in self defense?The Florida law says you can defend yourself? From a box of Skittles and a cup of ice tea?I just don't get it!

RichieLion 03-23-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 470418)
And you think this guy is a law abiding citizen carry a gun. He stuck his nose into something he should not have.This is nothing about rights to carry guns. Its about a cowboy out of control,killing a child.Hey no problem with Sharpton, this killing went on for a few weeks and nobody knew of it. Good for him standing up for a right cause.

Sharpton is responsible for inciting murder, even if never charged or convicted. You may choose to ignore it, but I won't.

Whatever the truth of this case, it's soiled by the participation of the race hustler and huckster, Sharpton.

rubicon 03-23-2012 03:41 PM

I mentioned in another thread Zimmerman is entitled to due process. However once again we see the makings of an Oxbow Incident.

It saddens me also to see once again the President of the Unitd States weighing in on this situation. I guess you have to be black to get his attention. First Professor Gates now this deal. Can you say "vote getter"

Where was Obama when Casey Anthony walked away scott free? Hmmmmmmmmmm

Taltarzac725 03-23-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 470470)
I mentioned in another thread Zimmerman is entitled to due process. However once again we see the makings of an Oxbow Incident.

It saddens me also to see once again the President of the Unitd States weighing in on this situation. I guess you have to be black to get his attention. First Professor Gates now this deal. Can you say "vote getter"

Where was Obama when Casey Anthony walked away scott free? Hmmmmmmmmmm

President Obama just said that we should get to the bottom of this tragedy. He did not take a side that I could see.

CMANN 03-23-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatherer47 (Post 470448)
The shooter says he acted in self defense?The Florida law says you can defend yourself? From a box of Skittles and a cup of ice tea?I just don't get it!

Of course you don't get it. You don't want to get it. Perhaps the shooter was wrong. Perhaps not. I'd like to see a current picture of Trayvon, not one of when he was 14.

rubicon 03-23-2012 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 470473)
President Obama just said that we should get to the bottom of this strategy. He did not take a side that I could see.

Taltarzac725: By virtue of the fact that he mentioned this situation from the Presidential lectern claiming this lad could have been his son says it all. First Gates now Martin. In all due respect this is about getting the black vote. Watch Obama's pit bull, Eric Holder al over this case. Did he balance his statement with a caveat about applying proper due process for Zimmerman?

If I were the Anthony's I would be questioning if Obama and Holder had a racial bias.

Moderator 03-23-2012 04:05 PM

This thread is quickly becoming political and will soon be moved to the political forum.... Unless, maybe, we can return to the OPs original topic about the local news coverage of this incident.

paulandjean 03-23-2012 04:07 PM

Why in the world would you want a current picture? W ould you want one of him looking mean?Love to see what your reaction would be if this was your grandson. I think someone has their head in the sand on this one.The shooter was not a cop. He could not follow orders, The kid had a hootie, and you all know what that means.

captg 03-23-2012 04:30 PM

:mad: A Sheriff Deputy, 53 years old, was shot in the face and killed just after.. this happened . The shooter was arrested along with an accomplice. Maybe Sharpton the rabble rouser can stop for a few minutes and say a few prayers for this gal and her family.:censored:

janmcn 03-23-2012 05:12 PM

The first mistake George Zimmerman made was carrying a gun since neighborhood watch members are not supposed to carry weapons. By doing so, not only is a young man dead, but the Retreat at Twin Lakes is set up for a huge lawsuit not covered by insurance. It's no wonder the residents asked him to move out immediately.




Experts warn homeowners associations of perils of using volunteer security patrols - Tampa Bay Times


http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...groups/1221327

Bucco 03-23-2012 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 470492)
This thread is quickly becoming political and will soon be moved to the political forum.... Unless, maybe, we can return to the OPs original topic about the local news coverage of this incident.

This should go to political, but not because of our posters at TOTV....it was MADE political by others, and it really is a shame

paulandjean 03-23-2012 05:55 PM

My whole point"the shooter was arrested" who shot the sheriff.

BobKat1 03-23-2012 06:34 PM

To paraphrase the Doobie Brothers, "what a person believes, he sees". Not the other way around.

PaPaLarry 03-23-2012 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieLion (Post 470456)
Sharpton is responsible for inciting murder, even if never charged or convicted. You may choose to ignore it, but I won't.

Whatever the truth of this case, it's soiled by the participation of the race hustler and huckster, Sharpton.

I agree!!!

janmcn 03-23-2012 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichieLion (Post 470456)
Sharpton is responsible for inciting murder, even if never charged or convicted. You may choose to ignore it, but I won't.

Whatever the truth of this case, it's soiled by the participation of the race hustler and huckster, Sharpton.

The title of this thread is Trayvon Martin not Al Sharpton. What decade did this event take place?

joannej 03-23-2012 09:00 PM

The police botched this one pretty good. They checked for drugs for Trevon and not for Mr. Zimmerman. They didn't spend much time, if any, with witnesses. The woman who owned the house where the murder occurred said the police only talked to her briefly that night, and did not request any further info from her for quite a bit of time after the incident. Trevon went out that night to get the Skittles and an iced tea, because the younger kid he was hanging out with that night wanted a treat. Apparently, they were watching a NBA basketball game together before Trevon went out. That child Trevon was with did not find out what happened to Trevon until the next day at school! It makes me wonder why the Sanford PD accepted Mr. Zimmerman's explanation of the murder w/o much of an investigation as time went by. It sounds like the citizens of Sanford did try to work w/the Sanford police first, etc. before this story caught the attention of the nat'l news media.

graciegirl 03-23-2012 09:46 PM

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dillywho 03-23-2012 10:01 PM

I had a Concealed Carry Permit in Texas. One of the first things we were taught in the class was that anytime you used or even displayed your gun (had to remain concealed), count on being arrested and that it would definitely happen. This was emphasized throughout the class.

It seems that the fact Zimmerman was not arrested and allowed to leave has been the whole issue blowing this whole thing sky-high. I don't really know if he has changed his story several times or if the media has just reported whatever. Some of the news people have done some pretty good digging and have brought up some interesting questions and thoughts. I have several of my own.

All in all, such a sad thing to have happen to any child in any town.

CMANN 03-23-2012 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 470494)
Why in the world would you want a current picture? W ould you want one of him looking mean?Love to see what your reaction would be if this was your grandson. I think someone has their head in the sand on this one.The shooter was not a cop. He could not follow orders, The kid had a hootie, and you all know what that means.

There is no reason to believe that the watchman did not follow orders. When he was told not to follow, he said "OKay"

I would like to see Trayvon as the watchman saw him.

CMANN 03-23-2012 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 470525)
The first mistake George Zimmerman made was carrying a gun since neighborhood watch members are not supposed to carry weapons. By doing so, not only is a young man dead, but the Retreat at Twin Lakes is set up for a huge lawsuit not covered by insurance. It's no wonder the residents asked him to move out immediately.




Experts warn homeowners associations of perils of using volunteer security patrols - Tampa Bay Times


Policy of caution guides Neighborhood Watch groups - Tampa Bay Times


Because of the Florida law, if it was a just shoot, they are protected from civil action also.

CMANN 03-23-2012 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 470540)
My whole point"the shooter was arrested" who shot the sheriff.

Was the shooter a legal CCW holder claiming self-defense? Hmmmm.

I don't think so.

CMANN 03-23-2012 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 470676)
I had a Concealed Carry Permit in Texas. One of the first things we were taught in the class was that anytime you used or even displayed your gun (had to remain concealed), count on being arrested and that it would definitely happen. This was emphasized throughout the class.

It seems that the fact Zimmerman was not arrested and allowed to leave has been the whole issue blowing this whole thing sky-high. I don't really know if he has changed his story several times or if the media has just reported whatever. Some of the news people have done some pretty good digging and have brought up some interesting questions and thoughts. I have several of my own.

All in all, such a sad thing to have happen to any child in any town.


What would you have a self defense shooter arrested for? Protecting himself. With lack of evidence of wrong doing arrest or punishment would be very wrong.

EdV 03-24-2012 05:42 AM

The true facts in this case have yet to be established. But a license to carry a concealed weapon in Florida is not a license to use it. Here is a link to a FAQ on the use of deadly force for lawful self-defense.

paulandjean 03-24-2012 06:43 AM

Hey CMANN-You write"There is no reason that the watchman did not follow orders-when he was told not to follow,he said "Okay". I think you are missing something here. He did not follow police orders and continued to follow, to get out of his truck, to approach and finally shooting this teenager. Seems you are a little misinformed. Just because you have a CCW you cannot just pull it out and branish your justice. And of course you hear him talking to the police dispatcher calling him the name.Get your facts straight.The shooter did wrong, the police investigating did wrong and the proscutor.Think I would be outrage if it happen to me.

JoeC1947 03-24-2012 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 470676)
I had a Concealed Carry Permit in Texas. One of the first things we were taught in the class was that anytime you used or even displayed your gun (had to remain concealed), count on being arrested and that it would definitely happen. This was emphasized throughout the class.

It seems that the fact Zimmerman was not arrested and allowed to leave has been the whole issue blowing this whole thing sky-high. I don't really know if he has changed his story several times or if the media has just reported whatever. Some of the news people have done some pretty good digging and have brought up some interesting questions and thoughts. I have several of my own.

All in all, such a sad thing to have happen to any child in any town.

I was taught the same in Vermont. In fact, The instructor said be prepared to spend 50 to 75K to defend yourself. Zimmerman should have been arrested until the facts came out. Especially since it's a black/white thing. Hasn't history taught us anything??


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