We don't know. We just don't know. But we would know more if someone didn't use a gun.

I don't like guns, but I support the second ammendment rights.

but just see what a mess it is?

I don't know why one would think we would know more if a gun were not used, but it is opinion one is entitled to have.

Imagine the boy being hit in the head by a black jack with a well placed blow and dying....knowing no more than we know right now why would we know more or why would it be any easier to understand not being a gun?

btk

If Mr. Zimmerman is telling the truth, without his pistol, it may well have been he who died.

on tonight's news it was reported that the boy possessed marijuana and had been suspended from school for it. The supporters of the boy are crying foul saying even if it is true the police are trying to make the boy look bad.

They are not interested in what really happened....what ever that was or may have been...they want their pound of flesh for how they want it believed...don't confuse the issue with facts....eh?

Why are we seeing only posed pictures of the boy? What age is he in the pictures?

Instead of playing the same emotion only scenarios and extensive coverage of the racist opportunists in action stirring the crowds, the media should back off and wait for release of real information. The same old, same old racist drum beating is fast approaching overkill.

btk

I believe and trust the US mainstream media on most issues including this story about as much as I believed and trusted the propaganda organs Pravda (translation - Truth) and Izvestia (translation - The Light) back in the days of the USSR. Actually, in the last several years even less so...

Too, the lynch mob mentality generated and maintained by the usual cast of nefarious professional rabble rousers mandates "Don't confuse us with the facts. We have already made up our minds."

All of the facts are not out. Let's find out what really happened here before we pass judgment on anyone.

The Daily Caller has the photo that Martin posted on his Twitter account which shows him in an up to date pic.

If you click on the story you can read some of his "tweets", complete with the racially charged twitter name he called himself.

It doesn't prove anything really except maybe to give a better "picture" of this young man.

The Daily Caller

Bravo. Very well stated.

Also, Richie, I saw the current photo of the 17 year old. Unless a reporter is willing to dig and not care whose feelings get hurt when getting to the truth, we will continue to see the mug shot of Zimmerman and the photo of Martin from when he was 13 or 14 years old. I also read the Twitter account where he indicated he'd taken a swing at a school bus driver.

Does any of that explain what happened? Of course not. This is a country based on the rule of law. A grand jury has been conveyned to hear the evidence. I have faith in their verdict to determine if there is enough evidence to charge Zimmerman and allow the case to go to court.

More coming out. This is looking a lot less like the "race killing" that the activists and the media alluded to.

Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Told Police Teen Attacked Him

I get the impression that Trayvon is not the kid in the published picture. He seems to be a typical black teen who wants to be "Gangsta"

They also have released a new photo of Zimmerman,Clean shaven,shirt and tie,supposely release by his attorney.

Yes, BOTH sides will be trying to place their guy in the best light while trying to make to other side look not so good.

New info that Trayvon Martin was previously suspended from school while in possession of a burglary tool and women's jewelry that he claims was not his, and that his suspension was officially for graffiti.

He'd been suspended from school a total of 3 times. The latest for drug and drug paraphernalia possession which was the current suspension in the time he was shot.

The picture emerging about this big kid is not as first advertised. This should not be a national story. The only reason it is is because of race, and I don't mean the race of Martin, I mean the race of the shooter. The only problem is that the story revolved around the shooter being named Zimmerman, which meant he was Caucasian. The kicker is that his name didn't reveal that the shooter is, in fact, classified as Hispanic. This only slowed down the express train of "racial indignation", but didn't derail it.

Trayvon Martin case: He was suspended from school for having a 'burglary tool' | Mail Online

Richie, any time a criminal get hurt or shoot, all of a sudden that person, "Help his aged Gandmother do her shopping every Saturday and took her to church on Sunday." Right, but once the facts start coming out, seems as though the story takes on a different light.

I will wait until the investigation is completed and all facts, on both sides are known, before reaching any conclusion. This is what the media and all the talking heads should have done.

Exactly right, but the die has been cast already and cannot be retrieved.

I just knew without a doubt in my mind that if Sharpton was involved, this story as presented stunk to high heaven. It's starting to seem that I was right.

Did you see the latest news reports on the incident. Witnesses say Zimmerman was walking back to his car when the Martin kid attacked him from behind. Hospital confirms that Zimmerman had injuries consistent with being attacked from behind. ( broked nose and forehead lacerations from contact on cement). Also. Martin was in Orlando because he had been suspended from school for drugs. Current pictures show him looking much older and bigger. I am not making any judgement one way or another, just stating the facts, so please don't beat me up for this post. I just think the press should get all the information before crucifying someone. Also the Black Panthers have a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.

Ma by
 

He said / She said -- That is all we have because of the inept and sloppy work of the Sanford PD. You can spin the cause of injuries or sounds heard in the night but hard evidence will be had to come by because of SPD's investigation.
This investigation reminds me of the beating a son of a SPD officer gave another black male in Sanford and the department tried to kiss this off too. I suppose this was a coincidence and that SPD is not biased or just plain inept.

The press never seems to learn
 

The press (and some posters to this forum) don't seem to want to wait until they they have all the facts before sensationalizing a story and jumping to politically correct conclusions. The news media and some posters immediately convicted Zimmerman of racially motivated murder. It is looking more and more as though this just might not be the case. Was nothing learned from the Duke lacrosse scandal?

Trayvon
 

What is with the gold teeth?

Typically, it's a "gangsta fashion" thing, and is popular with young African-American men because the "rap" stars sport this jewelry. It's not that uncommon and certainly not cheap. It's an expensive adornment.

ABC News is reporting that the lead investigator wanted to charge George Zimmerman with manslaughter the night of the murder and wasn't "buying his story". If this is confirmed, the police chief and the prosecutor have some explaining to do.

You don't have to guess. The Sanford police have released their initial report in a news conference.

Police Incident Report | Trayvon Martin Shooting | The Daily Caller

"Whats with the gold teeth", The way I look at it is, at least he is seeing a dentist. Lots of young kids and adults do this. No big thing,its not like he could not go to "The Villages" high school because of his tooth.Justs a fad,like seeing a villages 65 year old driving a motorcycle with a ponytail and a leather vest. Just trying to fit in.

You gotta be kidding
 

[QUOTE=paulandjean;472334]"Whats with the gold teeth", The way I look at it is, at least he is seeing a dentist. Lots of young kids and adults do this. No big thing,its not like he could not go to "The Villages" high school because of his tooth.Justs a fad,like seeing a villages 65 year old driving a motorcycle with a ponytail and a leather vest. Just trying to fit in.[/
Hardly just a fad. Where and how does a 17-year old get the cash for gold cosmetic dentistry?

Good news....the story DID NOT make NBC national news tonight.
Maybe they recognize it is indeed over done...wrongly done....and like the LaCrosse players of the past will turn out totally different than the emotional, racist opportunists would like it to go.

btk

That's exactly what I was wondering...I can understand the rap stars sporting them, but where does a 17 year old kid get the money for all that gold in his teeth?:confused:

Are the early judges still so sure?
 

The above is an early post. In light of facts that have recently surfaced, I wonder if the people who convicted Zimmerman on the basis of the initial news reports are still so sure.

Night of the "murder?" There goes your credibility.

Such an innocent child
 

Maybe pics and detention records being unearthed is why the media is easing off. Too bad the perpetrators of the real injustice sharptird,Jerkson and farakastan should take heed.

That be the thug on the right side ...

And I assure You that if the homies start any **** the people of Sanford will finish it...

Facebook Photo of Trayvon
 

[QUOTE=larbud;472453]Maybe pics and detention records being unearthed is why the media is easing off. Too bad the perpetrators of the real injustice sharptird,Jerkson and farakastan should take heed.



I am attaching Trayvons facebook photo alongside the photo of him as a 14 year old that the media has been using and the photo that the President had in mind when he said he looks like he could be my son. I wonder if the President had the facebook photo would he have made the same statement.

Who cares what he looks like....... Sounds like some profiling going on here in this forum. When I was stationed at Camp Pendleton we had a Marine killed near his home in LA. He had on the pants that hang down on the but, earring, gold crown on his teeth. Was portrayed at a Gang Member right off the bat.

That is until people got to know who he really was. A hard working Marine, Father, and got killed helping out someone else. Stop complaining and calling names. The media and Presidential candidates fill the air enough with all that mess.

Besides I am sure there is enough to worry about in TV, besides how he got a gold grill. UNBELIEVABLE makes a man want to barf

I can only speak for my posting of the facebook photo.

The reason it was posted was to show the bias by the news media in continuing to post a photo of a 12 year old which is in no way representative of the 17 year old that was involved in this incident.

[quote=Advogado;472346]Didn't a school guard stop him at one time and find he had a screwdriver and a bag of assorted women's jewelry in his back pack?

I'm on board with the questioning of the rush to justice concerning this incident but let's not get carried away.

The only photo known to be in fact Trayvon Martin, other than the photo of a young Trayvon the family handed out, is the one where he's sporting the "gold grille" from his Twitter account. The other photos haven't been authenticated, and the crowd photo purported to show Trayvon was debunked, and Michelle Malkin even had to apologize after publishing it after she was duped.

We need to stay with the evidence and keep things in context.

Good post, RichieLion. :agree:

You are correct. I should have said homicide. That's what the lead investigator called it, and I'm guessing he knows more than "the experts" on this forum.

Homicide is absolutely the correct word here, Jan. I don't think any of the "experts" on this forum would have a problem with that.

The question that needs an answer now is; was this a case of "justifiable or excusable homicide"?

homicide legal definition of homicide. homicide synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

Is it just a coincidence that the police chief and the prosecutor were both taken off this case after they overruled the lead investigator who requested an arrest warrant from the Seminole County State Attorney's Office?

Here's some needed context to what you've written.

Trayvon Martin Case: Police Wanted Warrant To Arrest George Zimmerman, Prosecutor Says

"A Sanford police incident report shows the case was categorized as 'homicide/negligent manslaugter' " which is not the same as justifiable or excusable homicide.


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