Gov Jeb Bush says the "stand your ground" law does not apply in this case. I think Jeb knows more about the law that he signed than "the experts" on this forum.


In Arlington, Jeb Bush says

Let's wait for the facts
 

Subject here was Daily Sun coverage.

I hate to defend the Daily Sun, whose control by the Developer has prevented it from becoming a genuine newspaper. However, in this case, I think that the DS has given the story the treatment it deserves. Most of the media has sensationalized the story and already convicted Zimmerman before all the facts have come out and distorted those facts that are available. For example, the media has uniformly reported that Zimmerman was ordered by the police not to follow Martin. In fact, the recording of the conversation between Zimmerman and the police dispatcher show the dispatcher saying "We don't need you" to follow him. The police report also states that the back of Zimmerman's head was bleeding when the police arrived at the scene, which I haven't seen reported anywhere.

Anyway, Zimmerman may be guiltyof some crime, but I can't fault the Daily Sun for not joining Al Sharpton and the rest of the media in convicting Zimmerman of murder on the front page and turning the unfortunate incident into a racial-hate crime, which it may or may not have been.

The biggest problem in Sanford (and Florida in general) is the inequality of law enforcement. If the person with the gun had been a black neighborhood watch person, and the victim had been white, you can be assured that the shooter would have been immediately arrested and have to prove his innocence or guilt later. But it was a white person with the gun, so the Sanford police dept. automatically believed his story, inspite of the fact that they told him NOT to follow or get involved chasing down a teenager.

I cannot understand how a child can be shot and the person with the gun is not arrested. It upsets me that this inequality is still happening!

Connie

It really wouldn't have mattered if the black teenager was wearing a hoodie or not.......this Zimmerman was a fanatic with a gun. A very dangerous combination, in my opinion. Please realize that this is my own opinion.

Thanks, Connie

:agree:

It would be a shame if George Zimmerman appeared on the streets of Sanford and was shot and killed by someone invoking the "stand your ground" law.

You would be initially arrested until all the facts came in. You would get no-billed, but you would still be arrested...they would not just take your word for it that you acted in self-defense.

They simply took Zimmerman's word for it and had it not been for all the furor, that would have been the end of it regardless if it was how it really happened or not. That is the part that is wrong.

I think maybe we should wait until the investigation is completed and we know all the facts before you label all Florida police as racist. That remark in itself could be considered racist.

That's all people are asking for is a thorough investigation, which wouldn't have happened without a grassroots effort. With the Sanford police, the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, and the Justice Department investigating hopefully all the facts will come out.

Once Sharpton enters the picture he's the focus, and don't doubt it. What decade did what event take place? There are many events and more than a couple of deaths surrounding the antics of Sharpton.

Thanks for agreeing with me!

All those, like you, who are already calling this shooting "murder" would do well to wait until the evidence is in. There is an eye witness corroborating the story told by Zimmerman. A neighbor is also sticking up for Zimmerman in recounting the neighborhood burglaries committed in the neighborhood.

Did you know the Black Panther Party is asking it's members to apprehend Zimmerman "dead or alive"? This is what is being sowed by these irresponsible accusations before the investigation is completed.

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

U.S. News - Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

New Black Panthers: Zimmerman 'Wanted Dead or Alive'

Let me rephrase. What decade did these events take place? If Rev Sharpton has been involved in more than a couple of deaths, I doubt MSNBC would hire him to do an hour show daily. I'm just guessing that NBC does a background check on people they hire as anchors. Again I'm guessing here, but NBC probably has a bigger legal investigative team than RichieLion does.

Again I reiterate, this thread is titled Trayvon Martin, not Al Sharpton. Since you seem fixated on Sharpton, I suggest you start a new thread.

Seriously, all you have to do is research a little of the odious Sharpton's past and you find everything I've said and more.

As far as the liberal media, especially MSNBC, all I can say is Sharpton's complexion is his protection.

The NY officials were also inclined not to prosecute Sharpton for his inciting of violence, due to fear of liberal media reaction.

you seem to have much more information than I do. I have not seen anything that says he continued to follow and got out of his truck. That doesn't mean it's not true. From what I gathered from the 911 call when he was told not to follow was that the watchman was on foot, it sounded that way. I think we best weight until the evidence is in. Let's not make this another Casey Anthony case.

what if it is found that Zimmerman was defending himself properly. That means he was the victim of false arrest. He had in fact committed no crime and there was no evidence that he had committed a crime. Who's going to pay his reparations for false arrest? You?

Zimmerman is not Going anywhere.

Let justice run its course.

you are absolutely right! I apologize for that uncalled for remark. I am just as guilty of getting all worked up as anybody. It scares me to think that anyone running around with a gun can shoot somebody and then say they have the right to do so. And to be perfectly honest, I do let my emotions run away when I see someone's son killed.

CMANN-Yes it seems that I have much more info.I this case.

This page has the "Stand Your Ground" law for FL. Stand-your-ground law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The "Immunity" section is interesting as well as the "Use of Force by Aggressor" section.

There are states that don't recognize a persons right to self defense. You will end up in court, with a lawyer getting rich and you were the victim.

I like the Florida plan better.

Please see this article. If this is true the nation media and others are guilty of grossly distorting the facts to create a victim.

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com

Trip to 7-ll for Skittles and Ice Tea at night...
 

Hmmm!....Poor choice in Orlando, doesn't matter what race you are!!...I'm just saying!

This works both ways. When George Zimmerman finally shows his face and gets his head blown off, the shooter can invoke the "stand your ground" law and save the state of Florida thousands of dollars. Just guessing this law is the reason Casey Anthony never goes out in public.

Doesn't matter. Zimmerman was told by 911 to leave it alone and let the police take care of it. At worst, he could have followrd Trayvon in his vehicle so the police could have talked to hm (Trayvon).

Zimmermon is akin to neighborhood watch. He did his job when he calld 911. From there on it a police problem.

Do you plan to collect the Black Panther reward? Your thinking is sick to say the least. IMHO

Thank you. Very good information that seems to have gotten swept under the rug.

Things Don't Add Up
 

After seeing one of the interviews with his dad, more questions come to mind. According to him, he did not know that Travon had been killed until the next morning when the police showed up at the door. He said that Zimmerman got to go home the night of the shooting while his son was taken to the morgue with a "John Doe" tag on his foot.

1. Didn't his dad live in that complex with his girlfriend and their son?

2. Hasn't it been reported that Trayvon was from Miami but in Sanford visiting his dad? Reports were that he went to the store for Skittles for his younger half-brother and a tea for himself which is all he had on him (and his cell phone) when he was killed.

3. How did his dad miss all the commotion and why was he not concerned when Trayvon didn't come back from the store?

4. Why did the younger one not complain when he didn't get his Skittles? If he was not too young, why didn't he go looking for Trayvon?

5. Was Trayvon the only one in the complex that Zimmerman didn't know? What about other visitors?

6. One of Zimmerman's friends said that Zimmerman didn't like confrontation and would never kill anyone. If that's true, why did he confront Trayvon and why did he carry a gun?

7. If the police didn't know who Trayvon was until the next day, why did they just take Zimmerman's word for it that the shooting was self-defense?

I heard they didn't identify him for three days while they had his cell phone the whole time. Didn't they hear the phone ringing or think to call the last number dialed? And these are the people responsible for investigating this crime.

I don't know the facts. I'm not the police. However, it does sound like there was no real investigation until the family demanded justice by going public and by asking for media help. I have seen interviews with people who lived in this complex (three white and one black). These four were unanimous in comments that the police either did not interview them at all or asked very perfunctory questions.

I don't like Sharpton or Farrakhan. They are both media hounds who really don't care about anything but their own publicity. Jesse Jackson at one time really did fight for juistice. Now, I'm not sure what his stance is. However, from what I have read and heard, there was no justice in this case. Hopefully, there will be in the near future.

As to the Sun not reporting much about this, not much I can say there. I do not consider the Sun a newspaper. It's a feel-good blurb that is a great marketing tool for the developer and fun for Villagers. Sanford is not in TV, so has little relevance to the developer. However, this is a story that has merited world-wide attention. To not have even one piece on the front page of a something purported to be a newspaper is, at best, pathetic. It really is bigger news than the age and make of someone's car.

Yes, I would like to be a fly on the wall at a Sun editorial meeting (if they have them) to hear the discussion about whether or not to report on the story, or run an AP feed article etc.

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com

This article from a conservative newspaper looks like it is based on one witness statement.

Witness statements are often extremely unreliable.

I do hope more of the actual facts come out now rather than much later like in the Casey Anthony case where it seemed the defense did most of the gritty investigation.

:agree: On the surface it seems like a the boy was shot because of his color by someone who didn't see color. I like to wait till I hear both sides of the story before I decide as to who is right or wrong. It may of happened just as the media is saying but we really haven't heard from the shooter and I still like to believe that a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. :spoken:

We have heard from the shooter
 

His 911 calls are available. We will never hear from the victim. Others need to speak for him.

it would do well for the masses to stop the reference to color. Other than the racist opportunists what value does it add? None!

Could you reach a decision solely based on what you have seen and heard and think you know thus far? Of course not. And as far as I am concerned the media is the last place to learn from since they have multiple agendas and the truth is not their priority....being first is their sole priority....and as in the past when (not if) they get it wrong they can always feign some other source that makes them clean (in their narrow minded view of the world anyway).

The problem with the media discovering they could be wrong is they don't have to be the ones to announce it. They may in fact stand pat until or unless it becomes public information from another source. Do I think they would sit on incriminating (either side) information. Absolutely yes and conditional upon whether it serves their agenda or not.

I hate to say it that way but that is what their very biased reporting performance has earned from me.

btk

Where's the outrage with the FAMU hazing death?!! Recent revelations show that the President was well aware of the problem!

Over a monrh
 

This incident happened over a month ago. Media acts like it was last week. Nevertheless, it has been over 30 days, and we still do not have the complete picture of what actually went on. Remember the Duke Lacross story?????

Interesting..I don't know who is right or wrong as the facts are still coming out. but I find it interesting that some folks who seem most against violence would appear to be happy to see that violence applied to Mr.Zimmerman.
Grrrrex

Facts
 

As I understand it and from the last reporting by the news it is alleged;
1. The guard had called 911, and was told to return to his car.
2. The guard started back to his car and Trayron asked him if he had a problem?
3. The guard said no and proceeded towards his car.
4. Trayon proceeded towards him and said you do now and punched him in the nose.
5. The guard was then taken to the ground by Trayon and he [Trayon]
was on top of him.
6. The guard was yelling for help as he was pinned to the ground.
7. Earlier, couple of days or week Trayon was repremanded at school for having pot. He may not be the clean cut kid going home with a candy bar???
Kind of different from the mob hysteria to blame the guard? It is good that
the Sun did not report since the facts are just coming out and they did
not go well for the mob mentality.
(Note: At a minimum Items# 5 and 6 above are alleged to be the testimony from a witness to the Police?):ohdear:

Amen! the real truth is we don't know at all what happened. Think about this...people who know GZ say they recognize the voice calling for help as his
people who don't know either one claimed it was the kid???

not all were released and we heard from the kid on his call to his girlfriend
unfortunately his last words were him beligerently yelling at zimmerman. By the way the nice kid had pot on him as well, not that it proves anything either.

:shrug: