Voter ID? Are you in favor of it or not?
 

If yes we could assume one believes there is a voter fraud problem that needs to be solved.

If you are against voter ID tell us why.

It has been known for way too many years about how much voter fraud there is in this country. I 100% am in favor of voter ID. What possible rationale could there be against the requirement?

The only reason for elected officials to be against voter ID is keeping their constituency from being upset....the ones who do not want to follow the rules and I will leave it open....for a number of reasons....none of which are valid to strike down voter ID.

Just another example of a simple problem made complex by the political impact. I suggest the politicians do something unique....do what is right for once....stand and be counted. The majority after all would be with them.

btk

I began a similair thread about 2 min before your BTK and if it is ok, will simply add to yours BTK and delete mine...

Assuming
that this is what it appears it is.....down right scary

"U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has declared that there is no proof that in-person voter fraud is a problem. He's about to see proof that even he can't deny.
In a new video provided to Breitbart.com, James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas demonstrates why Holder should stop attacking voter ID laws--by walking into Holder’s voting precinct and showing the world that anyone can obtain Eric Holder’s primary ballot. Literally.
The video shows a young man entering a Washington, DC polling place at 3401 Nebraska Avenue, NW, on primary day of this year--April 3, 2012--and giving Holder’s name and address. The poll worker promptly offers the young man Holder’s ballot to vote.
The young man then suggests that he should show his ID; the poll worker, in compliance with DC law, states: “You don’t need it. It’s all right. As long as you’re in here, you’re on our list, and that’s who you say you are, you’re okay.”
The young man replies: “I would feel more comfortable if I just had my ID. Is it alright if I go get it?" The poll worker agrees."

O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot

on target!!

btk

James O'Keefe is a conservative activist who has made a reputation for himself of misrepresenting the truth on many occasions. One would be very foolish to believe any video provided by him or his organization.

I would think that posters would check out their sources before posting on this forum.

This James O'Keefe's work looks interesting.
 

James O'Keefe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As to the DC Voting ID Law as exposed by O'Keefe's Project, how many times do you believe this happens??

http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-ele.../voter-id.aspx

The Wikipedia information on James O'Keefe was very enlightening. Basically, one would be very foolish to believe any video of his or his organization.

"In showcasing more blatant liberal hypocrisy, an undercover PJTV investigation highlights liberal groups like the Center for American Progress and the Advancement Project who have the audacity to require photo identification in order to enter their buildings.

Each of these groups has vocally opposed state laws requiring voters to show proof of identification, yet they require it to enter their Washington, D.C., offices."


See video:

Video: Liberals opposing voter ID laws require ID to enter their buildings | TheBlaze.com

As long as you ensure there are measures for the poor to have VALID access to whatever kind of Voter ID card you're talking about, I have no problem with this.

Don't disenfranchise those who shouldn't be and then you're only turning those away who SHOULD be turned away.

forget the sources for just one minute and try to answer the the question.

I guess if every class of person, poor, black etc can find a way to get a drivers license or social security number, etc, they will do likewise for a voter ID.

The subject matter, contrary to those who want to continue to present it as such, has nothing to do with preventing anybody legally entitled to vote, to do so. It has all to do with preventing those who are not supposed to be voting from doing so.

How much more simple can it get than that?

btk

perhaps a voter registration/id mobile unit can be assembled and continually scheduled to continuously loop through communities in order to perform the tasks normally conducted at an election office. could be done on a statewide or countywide basis.

motor vehicle agencies could also be set up for providing ids as has been proposed by others.

i know there is significant cost to such proposals - but i'd rather see my tax dollars spent on a voter registration and id program than some of the programs states, counties and local govt spend it on!

Forget the source? LOL - the entire basis for this thread is O'Keefe, who is a phony - just like this thread.

You were far more entertaining when you were whinning about birth certificates.

This is an excellent suggestion. Although the facts don't point to there being a lot of voter fraud, I am not against a voter ID card as long as this is advertised and made available well in advance of any election. The day is probably coming when everyone will be required to have a national ID card much like a social security card, but with your photo and address on it.

WHAT TRUTH has been misrepresented please ???????????

coralway...you as usual regarding my intents...just cut the political jousting and answer the question and stop trying to make it what it is not....just one time.

How can you not address a simple question without getting your partisan fluff in a tizzy....just once.

btk

While you are personally crucifying the messenger we will put you down as it is ok to disinfranchise votes and voters...it is ok to STEAL votes.

Got it...wow, you folks will defend anything.....you are actually ok because " how many times do you believe this happens??"

ONCE is more than enough and I would prefer checking ids that having black panthers outside with clubs

We are lucky here in Florida that anyone who doesn't have a voter ID doesn't need one to vote by mail. All a person needs to do is call and request a mail in ballot. No ID required. I expect that churches, etc, will really be advocating to their parishiners to take advantage of the mail-in ballots.

Let's set aside for just a moment the politics of this issue. Ask yourself would you accept a check from a person that refused to verify who they are with a photo ID? I could go on with a dozen more (Would you) questions. Our democracy depends on the election of leaders based on the majority via electoral college.

Anyone rejecting the photo ID card requirement places our free democracy at risk. Just ask the Russian people, Venezulian people, Etc.

Every citizen legally entitled to vote should be required to present a photo ID card to verify their letigimacy. We simply cannot afford fradulent voting.

States have offered free photo ID cards to any citizen. So what's the next excuse . Eric Holder's arguments are weak and transparent

Exactly! If a cop pulls you over what is the first thing he asks for? I can't believe there are people so naive as to believe everyone is going to tell the truth and we don't need to verify who they are. The state will issue an official ID. Of course you must show you are who you say you are. If you have a problem with that then we don't want you voting. We want only verified citizens deciding who is going to lead OUR country.

Liberals are really the mind numbed robots they call Republicans. The liberal line as promoted by the administration and it's compliant national media is; "registration is no good, because is disenfranchises Americans at the polling place who cannot or will not carry identification". The fact that you cannot conduct any other important business in this country without proof of identification is irrelevant to the observant liberal.

They couldn't care less about the rights or wrongs of this issue, they do what they're told.

What do you tell the elderly African-American person who uses maybe their social security card, voter registration or a utility bill as identification because that's all they have, but none of them are acceptable as ID to vote because they don't have a photo? This person can't go to the DMV for a free voter ID card, since they were not allowed to be born in a hospital due to their race, and there is no birth certificate or record of them ever being born. I would imagine this situation is not uncommon only among the elderly, but anyone born before the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964.

Lucky for us here in Florida, you don't need voter ID to vote by mail so this elderly person can vote by just calling and requesting a mail-in ballot. Not all states have this advantage.

Some residents of TV who moved here from other parts of Florida may be surprised on election day when they're not allowed to vote if they haven't changed their address. Part of the new law does not allow you to change your address on election day.

What difference does the source make as long as it is true, real and actual ?

It ACTUALLY HAPPENED...and the DOJ had a response like this...

"“It’s no coincidence that these so-called examples of rampant voter fraud consistently turn out to be manufactured ones.”

They are correct, no question about it...NO voter fraud, but what happened was true. The folks you question were very careful to get it on camera, to never even say that he WAS Holder thus not impersonating and never tried to vote.

And what is strange, as states pass laws requiring them (Pennsylvania being the most recent) the DOJ ignores things like when Indiana's really strict voter id law was upheld by the US Supreme Court 6-3 and written by a LIBERAL justice.

There is an article out today about how the FBI is concerned about our liberal (not intended to be political) attitude throughout the world is allowing SPIES to enter our universities all over the globe. We already have voter id law in more than half of our states and yet the United States Department of Justice opposes it.

Our DOJ is actually blocking implementing in two states.

That's an interesting concern. I know a few caucasians who were also born at home. Must have been a real pain for them to get birth certificates too.

True the Vote
 

there is an organization dedicated to seeking out voter fraud and preventing it....True the Vote...i am sure if you google it you will get all kinds of actual statistics on how often this has been discovered...way too often!!!

I am going to investigate my home state of PA at some point, but if they worked they had to have a SSN.....paystubs, bank accounts, etc. I know some state will allow that as ID.

And someone mentioned someone moving and not changing their address. To me, this is just an extension of our already simply undercutting any personal responsibility ! To me, if that happens that is YOUR fault and totally irresponsible.

There will be concerns always and the groups against it are pretty predictable, but what is obscene is our own DOJ.

If it were only as simple as using a SSN, paystubs, bank accounts, etc. Unfortunately, some states are requiring a state issued photo ID. In Florida, you can't even get in the door to renew your drivers license or state issued ID without a birth certificate or passpost. In Texas, they will accept a gun license but not a college ID issued from a state run school.

I think all that is good

Voter ID
 

YES to an ID. Also, I want to hear how Holder tries to gets out of this one!

I would suppose the same way he keeps protecting the action of the Black Panthers which I think is criminal, and literally so, based on hate speech which is a violation of the law. That is to simply ignore it because he is NEVER called out on what he does or does not do.

...and exactly why (in your opinion) is AG Holder never called out on what he does or does not do?

He is the highest law man in the land. To whom do we report him? The lier?

This would kill two birds. One voter fraud and two, food stamp (check card) fraud. The food stamp system needs to be tightened up.

I suspect it would/could have an impact on the myriad of immigration issues as well (hence another political reason to not support the proposal....eh?).

btk

Good point

Originally Posted by CMANN
"He is the highest law man in the land. To whom do we report him? The lier?"


CMANN,

Why would you be reporting AG Holder to GEORGE "JUNIOR" BUSH? Of course, that is who you would have to be referring to as The Liar. (Sadaam has weapons of mass destruction, invade Iraq for lower oil prices, "Mission Accomplished", etc)

Hey politicians, lips moving........

For those that think it's ok to not show picture id maybe rec centers should just do the same or maybe airports,trains and other place where you must show picture id.Voter fraud does happen Im from Chicago has happened their even when they had to show id.The dead would often vote.

James O'Keefe is following in the footsteps of the Late Mike Wallace who practiced similiar journalism on 60 Minutes and earlier shows.

Mike Wallace was feared as a journalist. James O'Keefe seems to get more laughter than fear.
More akin to Candid Camera than 60 Minutes.

News Desk: James O’Keefe Still Hasn’t Found His Voter Fraud : The New Yorker

Seems to me that laughing at the possibility of voter fraud is ....well..suspicious I suppose.

I find that possibility chillIng and am amazed at anyone who does find it funny.

There may be genuine reasons to have a National ID system, but it would have to be phased in over a reasonable length of time. Many of my Democratic/Liberal friends may have a problem with this, but I don't. In my opinion, fraudulent voting is not a serious issue. To hurry it up is a serious issue. I will be opened minded about it and this is an opportunity for my mind to be changed by facts. Please link recent (last two decades) credible data by state that says otherwise. By credible data, I not talking about some one's opinion. Documented facts would do just fine. MSNBC nor Fox need to apply!

The real problem appears to be winning an election this year for the Conservatives/GOP. If your candidates aren't viable, keeping Democratic/Liberal voters away from the polls is a major benefit toward that end. If it can't be won on it's merits - cheat.

Xavier