Help me understand the Ryan Budget Plan
 

It is so complicated, I get lost in the spaces between paragraphs. I do not care if the snail darter remains on the endangered species list. Stop giving a single dollar to UNICORN, and so many others. OK I get that. BUT

I know of widows that live on less than 700 dollars in SS. Will they be cut even more????

Will the truly working poor still have an avenue for doctor care???

WILL THERE BE A PLAN TO CARE FOR OUR ELDERLY, POOR AND DISABLED CITIZENS under his proposed plan???

As much time as I spend on this board I guess I should know this already, but I do not and I am searching.

This goes over some of the Paul Ryan budget plan. Guess what? No defense budget cuts.

Budget hawk: A closer look at the Ryan plan | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

Thank you. I read it and still a little fuzzy on what each cut would actually mean to poor and seniors, but if it would balance the budget, I like what I read. For months I have felt Ryan would be a good pick but then I am all about deficit reduction.

Sure....to hell with senior and the poor as long as I am still comfortable. :ohdear:

Well, I did not mean it that definite. I want budget balance but I also want the poor and seniors WELL cared for. Can we have both? Maybe not, but I most of all do not want the US to go bankrupt.

The existing Ryan plan....

DOES NOT, IN ANYWAY, IN ANY AREA TOUCH ANYONE OVER 55 !!!!!!!!

Help me understand the Ryan Plan
 

Suppose that you just moved to The Villages and you are a recent widower. So you go down to the local square and there you find a beautiful young thing that makes you feel 20 again. You get caught up in it all and marry her. A year later you see that your retirment savings is getting dangerously low. You approach your young wife and ask that she stop filing her nails and listen to you. You explain that you want her to have everything her heart desires but that the reality is that personal budgets, in fact every budget corproration government, etc must have priorities.

So you go about explaining the basics, food shelter and clothing. When you come to clothing she gets really excited so its OK if I get that new pair of Luboutin heels? No no you say I mean basic clothing needs. Well then she says does food mean we can still go out for all our meals because I ain't cooking and getting my hands raw. No no, I'll cook so we can save some money.

Well you aren't going to stop us going out every night are you. Well I do believe we do spent way too much for entertainment vactions to exotic places and that sort of thing.

She says, you know you ain't fun anymore I want a divorce. And he says well you know I think that even with a divorce settlement I can still hold my head above water and rebuild my reserves because you ae just too much of a spendthrift and not much of an earner and it can't continue that way.

Paul Ryan is a good human being and he is not going to hurt needy people but rather focus on irresponsible spending. But be confident that Obama will try and scare the bejesus out of specified groups of people like seniors

So that makes it OK? As long as it doesn't effect me? That's a bit egocentric and selfish is you ask me. Kinda like Ayn Rand. :ohdear:

Just ONCE I'd like to hear a politician address wasteful spending. The government wastes hundreds of billions of dollars every year. What about that?

There are dozens and dozens of programs that are duplicated. There is so much fraud, waste and abuse of tax payers money it's scary. I'll bet that in itself would go along way to help cutting the deficit.

No one ever seems to talk about that on either side. Once any program is in place and I'm sure there are many 1000's of them, they only grow in cost and waste. Not one of them is ever audited to see if it's even effective.

The left always demonizes the rich but the real crooks are right under their own nose. The government.

Each program is in one of the politicians district so he/she won't say anything.

Yep, I would say it would make it okay with me, the social programs we have in place now aren't working anyway.

What's with all the Ayn Rand comments, read her books back in the day, found them entertaining, isn't she long dead?

There in lies our problem. So what do we do, let the government keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger and spend more and more and more? Will Obama get control of it? I think not. In fact quite the oposite, everyone knows Obama is for larger government, not smaller.

To get this under control, it's gonna sting. But guess what, we're going broke and so is Medicare, Medicaid and SSI. All the tax increases you can think of on the rich won't change a damn thing. All it will do is give Obama and the other politicians more money to flush down the toilet.

The government is OUT OF CONTROL and Obama ain't the guy to fix it. So will Romney? Not sure but in my mind we'll have a better chance at least.

Government is never the answer... it's the problem.

According to the Ryan Budget, Mitt Romney's new effective tax rate would be .82%. That is correct, under 1%. No wonder he is cheering on the Ryan Budget.

Please supply a link to validate this claim ? Thank you

I actually found your link...the good old ATLANTIC...I do look for facts...just wanted you to know that.

Since the ONLY tax they spent anytime on was Romney and by the way they actually got the percentage wrong on that but I will post to you when I find a comparison of one individual person, although the discussion should be about the pluses and minus of the cuts that may or may not allow what you say....but then the idea is to destroy the man, not what is best for the country !

All I hear over and over and over and over and over is the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more. Over and over and over for the democrats. Are you people fixated on others that have more than you?

Ok, so lets say for the sake of argument I agree. We'll tax the rich more. Give Obama the over $250,000 tax increase. Ok great, done. That funds about 8.5 days more a year of the government.

Now what?

GUESS WHAT?? We're stil broke. Tax all the millionaires and billionaires at 100%

GUESS WHAT?? We're still broke.

Seriously, I'd like to to hear from the lefties, what next?

Google Romney would pay .82% taxes under Ryan Budget and 680,000 results pop up. Take your choice of links.


Mitt Romney Would Pay 0.82 Percent in Taxes Under Paul Ryan's Plan - Matthew O'Brien - The Atlantic

DKLASSEN....THANK YOU !

The mathmatics of what he keeps saying has been proven to be totally inaccurate and of no value yet he keeps saying it. It serves the class warfare dialogue !

They just harp on the same thing over and over again but the fact is, there is no what next. It doesn't change a damn thing. We're still broke.

I just turned 53 today so I'm one of those two years under Paul Ryan's 55 years and older nothing changes plan.

In 12 years when I retire, Medicare is broke. Where does that leave me? Will taxing the rich fix it all? Hell no because the government will just blow the money on something else.

All I hear is a democratic broken record. Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. It's starting to get sickening.

Government is spending us into the sewer and all the libs have to say is tax the rich.

No budget in almost 4 years form the democrats. Where's their plan?

Oh wait, I remember what is was. Tax the rich.

OK we get the oppositions ongoing predictable responses. So do a little more than the partisan bash or translating what the opposition proposes to your liking and enlighten us what Obama's plan to make sure what you accuse Romney/Ryan of will not happen, how he intends to do it and how he will pay for it?

btk

Of the last three posts, I can't find anything to disagree with.

The problem is we are promising benefits, jobs, pet projects etc. we can not afford. We have to start addressing the spending problems as they get worse each year. I think the one thing we have proven is that we can not fix everyone's problems by spending more and more money so I guess we have to find a different answer. The idea of a budget is to make sure your income and expenses are in line. Our current approach is not to budget, spend on what ever we think is good for us (the person spending the money) and to complain that the rest of use do not pay enough into the government so it can spend on all it pet projects. This does not mean that we should threaten to cut the expenses that help the truly needy but that we should cut the programs that have not worked.

GOOD post !!!

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I agree 100%. My problem is I don't see anyone in wash saying THIS program or THAT program is canceled. I think it has to do with favors and payoffs and bribery. I await the debates and I will vote for the one that gives names and assures me he will kick butt.

When the military says they don't want a new weapon system or a new plane or a new boat as it does nothing to improve preparedness ... That would seem to be a no brainer to cut that program. When are we going to close the bases in Japan and Korea left over from wars that ended over 50 yrs ago? The DOD has a plan http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_...Priorities.pdf
The Ryan budget does NOT allow for these cuts. But really the Ryan budget is not an issue in this election. The VP does not have any role in the budget unless there is a tie in the senate. What is the Romney Budget? Have we seen any details? Will he say whether he does or does not support the Ryan plan? Will he waffle and say he thinks it is a good blueprint but will refuse to say which parts he supports and which parts he opposes? Will he agree with ending the present structure of Medicare and going to a voucher plan?

When will you guys realize this is symptomatic of total disdain for the middle class, people like you and me, unless you happen to be one of the 1% in which case you should be be out on a yacht or on the campaign trail instead of posting on a political forum.

Yeah...if you check his website and various speeches but it sort of comes down to...you show me yours, and I will show you mine since our country has had NO budget at all for 3 years !!!!!!!

Well, here are the last 3 Obama budgets
 

Why do you continue to claim that we have had no budget for three years? If you mean that the House has refused to accept the Obama budget, that may be true, but that is politics. The White House has proposed a detailed budget every year. For 2012

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post
This is for 2013
The Budget | The White House

For 2011
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf

So each year Obama has proposed a detailed budget. It is completely unfair for you to continue to post as if there is no budget. It has been done with continuing resolutions and brinkmanship and threats of government showdowns but details of what Obama proposed are readily available and the spending of the government is available as well.

So when people post asking to see the Romney/Ryan proposed budget please don't reply that there is no budget, they are asking for his proposal to compare to the Obama proposal. Simple

So what good is a budget anyway if their spending continues to exceeds allocations by a long shot?

If you say so.....

"President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year."

Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate - Washington Times

If you think this is the way to run the country and you guys have had TOTAL control for two years and the WH for the last three....

I suppose this is what the leadership in the oval office wants...

"The cost, say analysts, is that Congress is once again allowing the federal budget process to remain rudderless and lawmakers unaccountable as the nation lurches toward fiscal crisis.

“Congress is legally required to consider a budget resolution every year, but there’s no penalty for not doing it, and no one has any standing to sue,” says Stan Collender, a longtime congressional budget analyst with Qorvis Communications in Washington.

Historically, the job of proposing and approving a budget has been a crucial one for the Congress.

While actual line-by-line spending decisions are made later, during the appropriations process, the budget is the one federal document that lays out a vision for the nation's finances. It is designed to be the moment when Congress takes a hard look at the books and makes sound plans for America's fiscal future.

The lack of a budget plan for the past three years has exacerbated America's fiscal problems because, for three years, Congress has not passed a roadmap to bring spiraling deficits under control. "

No budget? No problem! The Politics Behind Budgetless America - US Politics - CNBC

Now all that financial woe is about to come down on us right after the election. All the lack of discipline will show its face and the cuts that all are moaning about today within the Ryan budget will NEED to be made anyway, THUS why not an honest debate instead of the constant onslaught of tax the rich, which EVERY economist in the country and I mean all will tell you that will not alone even scratch the surface of our problems, yet we continue on like innocent children.....one side wants to discuss it, unpleasant as it may be because it is inevitable, and the other side simply ridicules people and tries to destroy individuals instead of discussing what this country will face.

Of course you can have it anyway you want, that is what you can do.

Mitt Romney must not be too sure that the Ryan Budget is going to over too well in Florida, as NBC News has just reported that Paul Ryan will not be accompaning Romney to Florida tomorrow, but instead traveling to Iowa.

Why would that be ? Explain ?

Maybe it means that Rep. Ryan's budget plan with the changes he wants in Medicare and Social Security would not go over in Florida.

Maybe it means that Ryan would have to explain in detail by what he means by Natural Law. Does it have to do with the Natural Law Party?

What is in his budget that would affect anyone over 55 ?

On Natural law he refers to the constitution of the United States...you folks heard of it, right ?


"The classic definition of "natural rights" are "life, liberty, and property", but these need to be expanded somewhat. They are rights of "personhood", not "citizenship". These rights are not all equally basic, but form a hierarchy of derivation, with those listed later being generally derived from those listed earlier."

http://constitution.org/powright.htm

If you are still confused, it is the doctrine on which this country is supposed to be running !

Although you are way off topic here, I wont report you !

with no knowledge or insight to why they are splitting up (which they said they were going to do) it is so nice to reach conclusions that convey what you would like to have others think is the problem.

Some of us know better.

btk

Interesting. Could you cut and past that section of the budget so I can understand the calculations?

while it is true that obama prepared budgets - and those budgets were not acceptable to the house of representatives - did i miss the part where obama and his minions did anything to negotiate a final budget? did i miss the negotiation and compromise part? did i miss where the president, senate and house representatives sat down over burgers and brews and knocked out a budget deal? or could it be that because none of those events took place with serious intent that the country wound up with continuing resolutions? all parties found it more convenient to play the blame game and revel in the press coverage and face-time it granted them than they did sitting down and doing the hard work.

and that is why i lay the blame for our fiscal collapse squarely at the feet of the president of the united states - for his failure to lead and to insure that the best outcomes for the country are designed and implemented. he is still a social reformer with no concern for the welfare of the country. he is overly concerned with income and wealth equality among us rather than insuring that all of us have an equal opportunity to increase our income and wealth. he prefers to give a man a fish rather than teach him to fish - and he will take another man's last fish to accomplish his goal. that is the ultimate robin hood economy!

over and over and over all i hear is that we have to take from the rich and spend it on the poor. and it disappoints me that people follow this philosophy and intention the same way the rats followed the pied piper! hopefully we will all be better off -dare i say live happily ever after - when the piper and his followers are played out of town!

Now, that is what I am talkin" bout !!!

This president is hell bent on tearing us apart. After calling all the Republicans, both house and senate names.....after the misleading he has done and as you point out.....his complete VOID of leadership how can he ever get anything at all done !

This man has blamed everyone for what has happened, without nary an attempt to bring us together. When he had control of BOTH houses of congress, he just never even spoke to anyone...he got through all he wanted to get through while he had that control. Look around....this is what he created, but it is all someone elses fault !

These two posts say everything I'm thinking about this President and his abdication of any responsibility in passing a budget, when he's shown no leadership on this issue and instead has only cast blame on others.

The malpractice of the lamestream mainstream media is complicit in his ability to shield his utter "failure".
(I put that in quotes, because I'm not convinced Obama isn't courting fiscal disaster with purpose)

there is absolutely no excuse for not having a budget.
This is one of the more simple of the reasons I lost confidence in him ever doing anything. There is always a reason or an explanation or some one telling us what he meant or did not mean.

It is always some one else's fault why he or the dems do not have a budget. As long as they offer an excuse they feel they have done their job.

Well they have not. It is irresponsible to try to run any financial entity without a budget. To not have a budget and no one even raise holy hell to get it done very well demonstrates the complete lack of leadership, responsibility or accountability.

Same work habits as in his other part time job as a US Senator when a vote yea or nay was required he voted "present"....non commital, not responsible, do not dare take a stand in case there is a personal risk.

Those of you who either have a comfort with not having a budget or helping him make excuses either do not understand the process or don't care.

This is one of the reasons Ryan will be a plus in the next administration!!!

btk