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graciegirl 04-10-2013 08:13 AM
The holdings of the developers.
 
H. Morse - Executive Profile

It is no secret that The Villages IS the Morse family. But someone help me list all of the entities they own or have recently owned and sold to others.

Here are some they own;

Southern Lifestyles Furniture
Showcase Direct Furniture
Citizens First Bank

I know by doing this I wll get posts from the Morse haters and the Morse lovers and those who are thinking about moving here.

I think there is a better link than above and if anyone can find it...please post it.

LndLocked 04-10-2013 10:17 AM
T&D Pool-Retail / Service / Installation
T&D Concrete

simpkinp 04-10-2013 10:26 AM
I think they own Citizen's First Wholesale Mortgage. IMHO it is a Great company to deal with. A friend's buyer was turned down by B of A and Citizen's closed the deal in two weeks. That is why I like dealing with TV owned entities. Service

mac9 04-10-2013 11:37 AM
Recently sold The Daily Sun and now it is truly the Daily Fun.

Entertainment Department now owned privately.

But this is old news. He appears to be slowly divesting.

Bogie Shooter 04-10-2013 11:44 AM
Sorry if these are duplicates.
Business Connections for Glen Hollow Farms Homeowners Association, Inc.
Hickory Hill Hammock Home Owners Association, Inc. Company Profile - Located in The Villages, FL - Echerd Edward Trustee, Quigley Caroline, Dodge Dorothy

StarbuckSammy 04-10-2013 11:46 AM
They don't own T&D.

Carl in Tampa 04-10-2013 11:58 AM
I am neither a Morse lover nor a Morse hater.

I am a Morse admirer.

A friend of mine is the nephew of the man who originally owned much of the land which is now The Villages. He was a farmer and a rancher whose family was very influential in Sumter County.

As wealthy and influential as he might have been, he did not have the VISION for the use of the land that the Schwartz/Morse family did.

As I said, I admire the family. I might wish I could have done something similar except for the fact that I am not much motivated by money and I had more fun in the career that I had than I would have had by being in land development.

Having said all that, you might want to look at the web site The Villages Family Company Company Profile - Located in The Villages, FL - H. Gary Morse, Mark G. Morse, John F. Wise which should have much of the information you are looking for. It even has a "connection" feature which shows how various entities are interconnected by ownerships, directorships and other connections.

It also has multiple generations of the Morse family listed.

Happy hunting.

billethkid 04-10-2013 12:11 PM
the liquor stores in each of the "Publix" shopping centers.

The list could get very length if we want to include either family members or other "falily" insiders as they are plentiful in what is owned in TV.

For example Janet West's hair salon academy and the 4 or 5 salons around TV.

Or Phil Marquard who now owns TV Daily Sun newspaper.

Barbara Vesco and the entertainment business.

to just name a few.

btk

rubicon 04-10-2013 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 657114)
the liquor stores in each of the "Publix" shopping centers.

The list could get very length if we want to include either family members or other "falily" insiders as they are plentiful in what is owned in TV.

For example Janet West's hair salon academy and the 4 or 5 salons around TV.

Or Phil Marquard who now owns TV Daily Sun newspaper.

Barbara Vesco and the entertainment business.

to just name a few.

btk
It is my understanding via a converation with an individual with access that Barb Vesco does not own the entertainment Dept and that the Developer is not happy about how she and her husband have been handling things.
Of course as rumors go here I could be dead wrong.

The issue of importance is not so much what the Developer (Villages of Lake sumter, Inc, et al) owns but the powerful control and influence politically and economically this entity has primarily over Sumter County but also Lake and Marion Counties. You can place a safe bet that it does not inure to residents favor

Bogie Shooter 04-10-2013 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 657134)
It is my understanding via a converation with an individual with access that Barb Vesco does not own the entertainment Dept and that the Developer is not happy about how she and her husband have been handling things.
Of course as rumors go here I could be dead wrong.

The issue of importance is not so much what the Developer (Villages of Lake sumter, Inc, et al) owns but the powerful control and influence politically and economically this entity has primarily over Sumter County but also Lake and Marion Counties. You can place
a safe bet
that it does not inure to residents favor
Not sure it is a safe bet!

ilovetv 04-10-2013 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 657134)
It is my understanding via a converation with an individual with access that Barb Vesco does not own the entertainment Dept and that the Developer is not happy about how she and her husband have been handling things.
Of course as rumors go here I could be dead wrong.

The issue of importance is not so much what the Developer (Villages of Lake sumter, Inc, et al) owns but the powerful control and influence politically and economically this entity has primarily over Sumter County but also Lake and Marion Counties. You can place a safe bet that it does not inure to residents favor
You mean they'd prefer to have remained in the days of elected politicians managing it as one of the poorest counties in the state instead of one of its most prosperous?

Bill-n-Brillo 04-10-2013 01:00 PM
Hometown Property Management was sold off back in '09:

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/Lic...D7CB1B842B44EB

Bill :)

Advogado 04-10-2013 02:00 PM
Ownership diagram
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 657145)
Hometown Property Management was sold off back in '09:

https://www.myfloridalicense.com/Lic...D7CB1B842B44EB

Bill :)
If your are good at puzzles, here you go:

Business Connections for Lbcv, Inc.

Advogado 04-10-2013 02:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 657173)
If your are good at puzzles, here you go:

Business Connections for Lbcv, Inc.
To make it legible, but not necessarily intelligible, you apparently need to click on "Circular View".

graciegirl 04-10-2013 02:30 PM
What does inure mean?

Ah...just a click of the mouse away.


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rubicon 04-10-2013 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 657139)
You mean they'd prefer to have remained in the days of elected politicians managing it as one of the poorest counties in the state instead of one of its most prosperous?
Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.

The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us

graciegirl 04-10-2013 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 657190)
Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.

The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us
Heck I don't know. I am a girl from Ohio. I know this, that when the country was walking around in the financial doldrums, we weren't having the same trouble here in TV. Building ten percent of the homes in the entire country in this dinky little poor inland county. People were furnishing them and spending money and keeping the economy going here.

Somethng was done correctly. AND as we can see on this forum, people can jump frequently to illogical decisions. I CRINGE to think of this place being run by the residents.

Now let me see. A performing arts center, ten indoor pools, five new dog parks. a staff of people at the squares that keep folks from saving seats.More softball fields, separate roads for bike riding running, golf carts and cars.... All good things...but sometimes we can't have all of the fancy things we want and pay the bill. I don't care how much the Morse bunch has made. They deserve every penny of it.

Selfishly. I am gonna enjoy it all and hope it doesn't get ruined before I die.

Golfingnut 04-10-2013 02:51 PM
Yea, I am in awe of the accomplishments of the combined family members. I wish they would stay in charge of every aspect of The Villages and its amenities.

gomoho 04-10-2013 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 657190)
Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.


The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us
Haven't seen anything yet government officials can manage better than private enterprise. Just saying!

janmcn 04-10-2013 03:29 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/pub...A/20130410.pdf


Here's an example of Gary Morse's influence with the Florida Legislature on the front page of today's Tampa Bay Times.

JourneyOfLife 04-10-2013 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 657212)
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/pub...A/20130410.pdf


Here's an example of Gary Morse's influence with the Florida Legislature on the front page of today's Tampa Bay Times.

It was a smart move by the developer and a good thing for TV residents.

If not, some healthy spouses might decide to sell and relocate if their sick spouse needed to go to a skilled nursing facility and there were no beds available.

Adequate availability of this type of medical service was one of my concerns. No one wants to think about that sort of thing. But it could turn into a big issue (crisis) if there is not enough capacity.

Bill-n-Brillo 04-10-2013 06:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 657173)
If your are good at puzzles, here you go:

Business Connections for Lbcv, Inc.
Holy moley!!! I'd hate to be the person doing Mr. Morse's taxes!

Bill :)

graciegirl 04-10-2013 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 657289)
Holy moley!!! I'd hate to be the person doing Mr. Morse's taxes!

Bill :)
Maybe that is why the IRS is investigating. No one can figure it out?

Villager Dude 04-10-2013 08:04 PM
Incredible
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 657307)
Maybe that is why the IRS is investigating. No one can figure it out?
I am impressed with the entire place and find it more impressive since I moved here in November. In the early days there were deals cut to entice businesses to come to TV to provide services to the people. Dentists, stores, etc.

The first ones in must have had long growing pains. With Vision and a little Luck things worked out so we can benefit. This maise of ownership is complicated. I am not sure where the support staff is housed ( offices ) .

It takes a lot of people to keep this going.

I would suspect at the end of the buildout the family will retain the commercial operation and turn it over to a management company and relocate if they think it is necessary. All the infstructure of TV will be sold off and TV will be operated by the CDD's.

Were do the golf courses fit into this maise? I could not find them .

LndLocked 04-10-2013 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StarbuckSammy (Post 657098)
They don't own T&D.
I have been told differently by a source that would know

ilovetv 04-10-2013 09:59 PM
Ummmm...when you have the largest and fastest growing 55+ community in the state, isn't it evident that many more people here are going to need nursing home beds as compared to other, smaller communities around the state??

Why would you want a shortage of nursing home beds in TV? (Unless you own a competitor nursing home, as the man quoted at the end of the story is........the end of the story not shown in the link of the pdf file of the paper above. Full story is here:

Villages retirement community asks Legislature for nursing home | Tampa Bay Times

Indydealmaker 04-11-2013 12:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 657190)
Hi ilovetv: that dog won't hunt. and frankly I don't care one way or another . I understand the statistics. However, we don't know what the county would look like with elected officials and the economics of the developing of TV. The building of TV pumped money into this county,as well as Lake and Marion. However what we don't know is what the economics would have looked like with elected politicians. Sumter One was vital to The Villages of Lake Sumter, Inc. for good reason. Ask yourself who finances the Villages Charter Schools? What taxes might we be paying had we a different form of government? Would local prices on those businesses controlled and monopolized by The Village of Lake Sumter Inc be more or less? Ask people who want to rent space at the Savannah Center or other Rec Centers what they have to pay...........We will never really know because The Villages of Lake Sumter ,Inc never intended to lose control of this cash cow called The Villages and that is why he is very involved in all local elections and appoitments to various utility boads, etc.

The only way we may possible know is to have an independent audit and that will never, ever happen. Heck right or wrong even the IRS can't make any headway. perhaps The Villages of Lake sumter, Inc is of benefit to us but we will never really know...and if there is someone who does please share it with all of us
Maybe one way to make an educated guess would be to look at the economies of the surrounding counties which do not have major cities within. Take a look at Citrus, Levy, Hernando, etc.

fraurauch 04-11-2013 04:55 AM
Try this link.

The Villages Operating Company Company Profile - Located in The Villages, FL - H. Gary Morse, John F. Wise, Mark G. Morse

PaPaLarry 04-11-2013 05:04 AM
Which one of the Morses live off of route 466 with its own golf course?? Right by Tierra Del Sol.

janmcn 04-11-2013 07:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 657392)
Maybe one way to make an educated guess would be to look at the economies of the surrounding counties which do not have major cities within. Take a look at Citrus, Levy, Hernando, etc.
Citrus county's major economic problem is the disabled nuclear reactor in Crystal River. After Progress Energy damaged the reactor by trying to repair cracks itself, Duke Energy has announced it will abandon the reactor.

Also in Levy County, the proposed nuclear reactor has been put on hold and Duke Energy is refusing to pay a lot of it's property taxes to the county.

graciegirl 04-11-2013 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 657468)
Citrus county's major economic problem is the disabled nuclear reactor in Crystal River. After Progress Energy damaged the reactor by trying to repair cracks itself, Duke Energy has announced it will abandon the reactor.

Also in Levy County, the proposed nuclear reactor has been put on hold and Duke Energy is refusing to pay a lot of it's property taxes to the county.
THAT and there is NO big business to keep the economy alive in those counties. Before Morse, people were raising cattle and trying to raise fruit off this sandy soil and since it was inland it wasn't much for tourism..

Three cheers for free enterprise and someone who works hard and becomes rich. The quintessential AMERICAN dream.

In this country, it still holds true. If you get up early and work hard and sacrifice and save and bypass instant gratification and worry... and if you have a very good idea, you will collect more money than you need, which to me is being rich.

Bonny 04-11-2013 12:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LndLocked (Post 657375)
I have been told differently by a source that would know
Terry Yoder owns T & D. He also has his hands in many businesses.

jbdlfan 04-11-2013 12:35 PM
My guess would be that they stay heavily involved with Citizens for a while. With a family member firmly in place as VP, soon to be head honcho, this is where they see the future. 120,000 residents, with a mojority with money in their bank, thats a ton of fees that can be collected! Easy money.......

oxfordnative 04-11-2013 01:36 PM
Bonny is right. Terry Yoder and his wife own T & D. Along with many other companies in this area.

ilovetv 04-11-2013 01:58 PM
Are you suspicious and seething over the holdings of Bill Gates if you own a Windows computer? Or over the holdings of Steve Jobs and his estate if you own an iPhone or iPad or your kids used an AppleII or Macintosh in grade school??

And if you want to talk about lobbyists in the legislature, how about chewing on this:

Top National Donors

Based on Combined State and Federal Contributions, 2007-2008
When powerful corporations or special interest groups find themselves with cash to spend on politics, they routinely spread it across the country in an attempt to curry favor with politicos ranging from tiny states' assembly members to the highest-profile U.S. Senators.

Use this list to track what groups funneled the most campaign money to political candidates, committees and interests at both the state and national level.

Top National Donors | OpenSecrets

Mack184 04-11-2013 02:30 PM
According to the FCC data base and the Florida Secretary of State, the Morse family does continue to have at least a percentage of ownership of WVLG under the corporate name of Villages Communications, Inc.


https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/cdbs_...724&formid=322

Mack184 04-11-2013 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 657138)
Not sure it is a safe bet!
Not at all. In fact that's a very odd statement to make. Morse Industries and those who operate on Villages property employ people, pay taxes, support local churches and charities and contribute to the general expansion of the area.

alemorkam 04-11-2013 04:29 PM
Richard Schwartz owns the property with the golf course that is on CR 466. It is for sale and he built, and lives in a home in Laurel Valley of Bridgeport.

kimball 04-12-2013 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 656987)
H. Morse - Executive Profile

It is no secret that The Villages IS the Morse family. But someone help me list all of the entities they own or have recently owned and sold to others.

Here are some they own;

Southern Lifestyles Furniture
Showcase Direct Furniture
Citizens First Bank

I know by doing this I wll get posts from the Morse haters and the Morse lovers and those who are thinking about moving here.

I think there is a better link than above and if anyone can find it...please post it.
We all know they are filthy rich. Why should we be concerned about just how much of our day to day lives they control through their many holdings?

2newyorkers 04-12-2013 05:51 AM
Curious, how is the Wise guy related to the Morse/Schwartz family?


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