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TexaninVA 08-15-2013 06:01 PM

Million Muslim March ... set for Sept 11
 
I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Indydealmaker 08-15-2013 06:20 PM

This event is a smokescreen to obfuscate the ongoing efforts to mainstream Muslim culture into the United States.

billethkid 08-15-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 726867)
This event is a smokescreen to obfuscate the ongoing efforts to mainstream Muslim culture into the United States.

maybe they will be as unsuccessful as most of the other million man something or others.
Obviously it isn't against their religion.....Egypt can attest to that!

btk

Monkei 08-15-2013 08:25 PM

It could be used as a learning session to each side understand their beliefs. Can't hurt.

JP 08-15-2013 08:25 PM

It will be a good time for the NSA to get all their pictures.

redwitch 08-15-2013 08:42 PM

They're certainly carrying a very large umbrella -- conspiracy advocates; freedom for privacy groups; Muslims. A lot of groups with very different agendas. And then there's the simple fact that not much interest has been shown (1,000 saying they'll attend to date).

As to mainstreaming Muslim culture/religion in the U.S., I was always under the impression that it was as much a part of the mainstream as any other minority religion -- actually, more than a lot of them. We aren't in shock when we see a woman in a headscarf or even in a burka; we know the call to prayer and don't look around in shock when it is heard in our cities. As a religion, it is very accepted here; at least it is the areas I've lived in and visited. What is not, and should not be, accepted is a condoning of violence and jihads. Racism is wrong whether done by those in power or those in a minority.

graciegirl 08-15-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 726963)
They're certainly carrying a very large umbrella -- conspiracy advocates; freedom for privacy groups; Muslims. A lot of groups with very different agendas. And then there's the simple fact that not much interest has been shown (1,000 saying they'll attend to date).

As to mainstreaming Muslim culture/religion in the U.S., I was always under the impression that it was as much a part of the mainstream as any other minority religion -- actually, more than a lot of them. We aren't in shock when we see a woman in a headscarf or even in a burka; we know the call to prayer and don't look around in shock when it is heard in our cities. As a religion, it is very accepted here; at least it is the areas I've lived in and visited. What is not, and should not be, accepted is a condoning of violence and jihads. Racism is wrong whether done by those in power or those in a minority.

Well said.

CFrance 08-15-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 726963)
They're certainly carrying a very large umbrella -- conspiracy advocates; freedom for privacy groups; Muslims. A lot of groups with very different agendas. And then there's the simple fact that not much interest has been shown (1,000 saying they'll attend to date).

As to mainstreaming Muslim culture/religion in the U.S., I was always under the impression that it was as much a part of the mainstream as any other minority religion -- actually, more than a lot of them. We aren't in shock when we see a woman in a headscarf or even in a burka; we know the call to prayer and don't look around in shock when it is heard in our cities. As a religion, it is very accepted here; at least it is the areas I've lived in and visited. What is not, and should not be, accepted is a condoning of violence and jihads. Racism is wrong whether done by those in power or those in a minority.

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 726993)
Well said.

I double that: Extremely well said. You really have your pulse on things, redwitch.

Hancle704 08-15-2013 10:26 PM

Here is a different report on the same event. This one contains a different photo and includes "demands".

Million Muslim March Planned in DC on Anniversary of 9-11

http://http://www.breitbart.com/Inst...ersary-of-9-11

chachacha 08-15-2013 11:01 PM

it would be nicer if the million muslims were marching to show their allegiance to our constitution and their objection to the jihad which caused the attacks. they may feel allegiance but the organizers certainly don't seem to be going out of their way to praise the good life they have found in this country and any gratitude they might feel to now be considered Americans.

CFrance 08-15-2013 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chachacha (Post 727044)
it would be nicer if the million muslims were marching to show their allegiance to our constitution and their objection to the jihad which caused the attacks. they may feel allegiance but the organizers certainly don't seem to be going out of their way to praise the good life they have found in this country and any gratitude they might feel to now be considered Americans.

Wow. You are so spot on.

dalecrenshaw 08-16-2013 12:16 AM

Muslim March on 9/11
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 726853)
I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Doesn't anyone think it is strange that they have planned with march on 9/11. I think it is an insult to all those lives lost on 9/11.

Monkei 08-16-2013 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chachacha (Post 727044)
it would be nicer if the million muslims were marching to show their allegiance to our constitution and their objection to the jihad which caused the attacks. they may feel allegiance but the organizers certainly don't seem to be going out of their way to praise the good life they have found in this country and any gratitude they might feel to now be considered Americans.

Well they have somewhat of an issue ... A religion that has been hijacked by some radicals should not bring the entire religion down. Broadbrush painting is not always a good thing.

nitehawk 08-16-2013 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 727062)
Well they have somewhat of an issue ... A religion that has been hijacked by some radicals should not bring the entire religion down. Broadbrush painting is not always a good thing.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

shcisamax 08-16-2013 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dalecrenshaw (Post 727058)
Doesn't anyone think it is strange that they have planned with march on 9/11. I think it is an insult to all those lives lost on 9/11.

I actually think it is a very poor choice of date...unless the point of the march is to specifically show support for the US for the horror that was wrought upon us on that date while also showing contempt and solidarity in fighting against the terrorist element that has caused so much international horror and disdain to their religion.


BTW: What exactly IS the purpose of the march?

gomoho 08-16-2013 06:51 AM

Having this march on 9/11 is a slap in the face of the United States and the tragedy we
suffered on that date. It is sacred in the hearts of many any should not be marched on by a million Muslims or anyone else. It should be remembered with reverance.

Bay Kid 08-16-2013 06:56 AM

Doing this on 9-11 is really wrong. Why that date? Is it a dare to all Americans? Why march period?

billethkid 08-16-2013 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 727062)
Well they have somewhat of an issue ... A religion that has been hijacked by some radicals should not bring the entire religion down. Broadbrush painting is not always a good thing.

if they are so devout and dedicated to their religion then why do we not ever hear or see their condemnation of what the radicals within their group are doing?

Why is it in Egypt they have chosen to burn to the ground every christian church they can get to including some dating back to Egypt's 4th century?

There is definitely a problem within the Muslim community that tolerates/allows those that are are carrying the broad brush of terror and violence to paint them all as what we see in Egypt, or Boston or NYC 9/11, et al.

There comes a time when enough should be enough, eh? How many centuries has this been going on?

I don't buy what is being sold about how good they are....and I do respect and acknowledge those who are peace loving and all that...I do not respect they do not speak out or do something about THEIR problem.

btk

Taltarzac725 08-16-2013 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 726853)
I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Complicated development. Taking an analogy, if the Japanese-Americans had wanted to stage a march on Washington on December 7, 1946 what would you have thought? Many Japanese-Americans were put into camps during WWII and treated abominably because of their race and connection with where their ancestors and sometimes where they and/or their parents came from. There were highly decorated Japanese-American troops fighting in WWII especially in the Italian campaign. Having the date though of December 7, 1953 would have enraged many still with very strong emotions connected with the Pearl Harbor attack. Having it on December 7, 2013 would seem kind of pointless given our current relationship with Japan and how successful many of Japanese ancestry now are in the United States.

It does seem insensitive to put the March on September 11, 2013 as it has only been 12 years since that horrible attack. I have run into some Southerners who still seem a little upset at Sherman's March to the Sea.

redwitch 08-16-2013 08:05 AM

I talked to a Muslim friend about this march. She most definitely will not be attending -- thinks it will create ill will given the date chosen. However, she understands why 9/11 was selected. There are a few reasons:

1. This date created a racial hatred for all "Arabs" whether Muslim or not. Since 9/11, many mosques have been burned and vandalized. "Ragheads" (talk about an offensive term) has become part of common street vernacular. So, 9/11 is a way to remind people that not every Muslim is a radical or was in support of that event.

2. Muslims did die in the World Trade Towers. It is a homage to those who did and their families.

3. For some, it is a way to deliberately slap U.S.

If it does occur, it will be interesting to hear/read the speeches. It will tell us a lot of what is being thought. If it is done with reverence and prayer, it could be a beautiful event.

Taltarzac725 08-16-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 727159)
I talked to a Muslim friend about this march. She most definitely will not be attending -- thinks it will create ill will given the date chosen. However, she understands why 9/11 was selected. There are a few reasons:

1. This date created a racial hatred for all "Arabs" whether Muslim or not. Since 9/11, many mosques have been burned and vandalized. "Ragheads" (talk about an offensive term) has become part of common street vernacular. So, 9/11 is a way to remind people that not every Muslim is a radical or was in support of that event.

2. Muslims did die in the World Trade Towers. It is a homage to those who did and their families.

3. For some, it is a way to deliberately slap U.S.

If it does occur, it will be interesting to hear/read the speeches. It will tell us a lot of what is being thought. If it is done with reverence and prayer, it could be a beautiful event.

I met a number of Muslims while at the University of Denver and maybe one was what I would call becoming a jihadist. And, that was primarily because he claimed he had a brother who was high up in Hussein's military command and Mahmood wanted to compete with his brother with respect to doing his duty toward his country. This was in 1983-1984 and the Iran-Iraq war was taking a huge number of lives on both sides. The other Muslims at the University of Denver could not have cared less about jihad and other stuff. They had their careers to think of and supporting their families.

And, a very outspoken Muslim at the University of Minnesota Law School who was a class behind me (I was 1989, he was 1990) was the man who is now the only Muslim in the US Congress. I never had any classes with him but my then life-in girlfriend Jennifer V. did. You certainly knew he was a Muslim while he was in law school. He is also African American. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Ellison

I will also watch and see what happens during this "Million" Man March.

mulligan 08-16-2013 08:42 AM

Maybe we should get some of our recently returned combat vets to provide "security" at the march. Maybe they could see if they recognize anybody..............

linko38 08-16-2013 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 726853)
I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Isn't it funny they chose 9-11 to do this? They like to construct mosque where they have won a battle or killed their enemies. This is just another in your face America march! Everything they do has a reason and a purpose. I will not stand by and let them take over like they have in the UK. Tennesee schools have just now announced they are taking all pork products off their school menus. This march is a very bad thing!

billethkid 08-16-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by linko38 (Post 727212)
Isn't it funny they chose 9-11 to do this? They like to construct mosque where they have won a battle or killed their enemies. This is just another in your face America march! Everything they do has a reason and a purpose. I will not stand by and let them take over like they have in the UK. Tennesee schools have just now announced they are taking all pork products off their school menus. This march is a very bad thing!


Speaking of the UK, here is a tongue in cheek ditty......I always believe there is a true word spoken in jest:




btk

Bucco 08-16-2013 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 727159)
I talked to a Muslim friend about this march. She most definitely will not be attending -- thinks it will create ill will given the date chosen. However, she understands why 9/11 was selected. There are a few reasons:

1. This date created a racial hatred for all "Arabs" whether Muslim or not. Since 9/11, many mosques have been burned and vandalized. "Ragheads" (talk about an offensive term) has become part of common street vernacular. So, 9/11 is a way to remind people that not every Muslim is a radical or was in support of that event.

2. Muslims did die in the World Trade Towers. It is a homage to those who did and their families.

3. For some, it is a way to deliberately slap U.S.

If it does occur, it will be interesting to hear/read the speeches. It will tell us a lot of what is being thought. If it is done with reverence and prayer, it could be a beautiful event.


This is from the link and sounds a bit political rather than religious to me...

""We want to hold President Obama accountable for his empty promises of creating a transparent government," march organizer Isa Hodge told U.S. News. "What exactly have we spent all our money, lost lives and taken lives for? The entire record of the 9/11 Commission has never been released."

Protesters will also denounce "FBI traps," "illegal tapping and surveilling of Muslim Americans" and "media propaganda making the word terrorist synonymous with Muslim," he said.

The march 2 Muslim March" earlier this year, but its name has since been changed to the "Million American March Against Fear," according to Hodge."

ivanhoe 08-16-2013 10:00 AM

OK fellow Villagers.....time to snap out of it!

LiveLeak.com - The Horrific Muslim Infiltration Of Britain

billethkid 08-16-2013 10:27 AM

excellent video, that could/should serve as an indicator to many christian Americans. Please do click on the infomation bar at the top of the video to witness how the Muslim approach affects the mond. It is revealing in the first person the complete dedication to our death with absolutely not one iota of remorse....only resolve to go do it again.

This information should scare most freedom lloving peoples. Hopefully the post and this thread survives. It does affect the very lives of TV residents and their families.

btk

Thank you ivanhoe for the link and wake up call!!!!!

Bucco 08-16-2013 10:29 AM

Be aware that the group who is sponsoring this march has blamed 9/11 on a Jewish conspiracy, including Israel.

clod 08-16-2013 11:11 AM

Reading the Koran you will find that Muslims believe all infidels (that is non-Muslims) must be killed.

Those that are not that radical still support and tolerate those who are. This is called aiding and abetting, which makes them guilty also.

chachacha 08-16-2013 11:17 AM

the issue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 727062)
Well they have somewhat of an issue ... A religion that has been hijacked by some radicals should not bring the entire religion down. Broadbrush painting is not always a good thing.

i certainly do not want to broadbrush all muslims as terrorists, but as others have correctly stated, the average secular muslim is either too scared or too indifferent to make any admonishments to their radical brethren to give them credibility to the rest of the world. if they marched for the reasons i stated, it would go a long way to bring them the admiration of their fellow americans and stop the problems of which they are complaining, the "victimization" of being viewed as terrorists. but will they???

DaleMN 08-16-2013 12:09 PM

Good grief! :doh:

graciegirl 08-16-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleMN (Post 727290)
Good grief! :doh:

It is a good grief to grieve that what most of us are taught to be good religious principles in this day and age are not viewed by all to be the same.

And that would be the caring responsibility for all people of this earth. Most Christians and Jews that I know have it...or strive for it or recognize it as a virtuous goal.

Bucco 08-16-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 727307)
It is a good grief to grieve that what most of us are taught to be good religious principles in this day and age are not viewed by all to be the same.

And that would be the caring responsibility for all people of this earth. Most Christians and Jews that I know have it...or strive for it or recognize it as a virtuous goal.

The Middle East has absolutely imploded. People are dying in droves daily in Syria, Libya, Egypt and other places.

What this has done, and continues to do, is allow the hate faction to get stronger and gain influence, not just on the government but the people of the region.

I am just in shock with the cavalier and laid back attitude shown in this country to all these deaths.

Mallory Voice 08-16-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 726853)
I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Take a very close look at what is going on in Egypt as we speak and you be the judge as to a positive impact.
Mallory Voice

buggyone 08-16-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 727311)
The Middle East has absolutely imploded. People are dying in droves daily in Syria, Libya, Egypt and other places.

What this has done, and continues to do, is allow the hate faction to get stronger and gain influence, not just on the government but the people of the region.

I am just in shock with the cavalier and laid back attitude shown in this country to all these deaths.

I think most Americans think the thousands of deaths in the MidEast are terrible but are at a loss of what to do. No matter what side the US takes, it will be against one or more groups and is a lose-lose situation for the US.

Do you have any suggestions - not mistakes the US has made but what might work now? I don't.

Monkei 08-16-2013 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachacha (Post 727268)
i certainly do not want to broadbrush all muslims as terrorists, but as others have correctly stated, the average secular muslim is either too scared or too indifferent to make any admonishments to their radical brethren to give them credibility to the rest of the world. if they marched for the reasons i stated, it would go a long way to bring them the admiration of their fellow americans and stop the problems of which they are complaining, the "victimization" of being viewed as terrorists. but will they???

I agree ... a faction is bringing down their religion ... they have to find the courage to stand up to that faction.

Bucco 08-16-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 727340)
I think most Americans think the thousands of deaths in the MidEast are terrible but are at a loss of what to do. No matter what side the US takes, it will be against one or more groups and is a lose-lose situation for the US.

Do you have any suggestions - not mistakes the US has made but what might work now? I don't.

No suggestions at all. It is very frustrating . We have sowed these seeds in the Mideast over the years, and need to understand that our "words" will change nothing, and also to make trust of anyone, something needed to be earned.

We have very little in the way of "influence" any longer, and I do feel that giving them any money is wrong.

billethkid 08-16-2013 02:42 PM

history displays for us what these people have been doing to each other for centuries.

Current technology just so happens to make more of us aware that what has happened historically for centuries is still alive and well in _ _ _ _ _ (fill in any mid east country you like).....OK...Egypt the current media focus.

I don't know why we think we could or even should bother to try to change something that has been going on for centuries....and oh by the way the other point of progress is they have spilled into other countries all over the world and as shown in the UK and France they continue to promote what they have for centuries.

Yes their numbers are growing everywhere. No they haven't changed what they believe no matter where they live. Yes they believe in the killing of infidels (non Muslims).

Since there is no way to change what they do and why then leave them in their area of the world and let them do what they will to each other.
Harsh and uncaring. It sounds like it. But there is no percentage waging a battle that cannot be won. That has been proven over the centuries.

Isn't it amazing that we get all concerned when something like the zebra mussel comes to our shores and is labeled destructive and we spend millions to try to stop the invasion. But we will permit/allow an infestation of our land by a people who are committed to kill the infidels....by the way that would be us.

As they begin to infiltrate our governments, time is on their side. They have a task and goal to accomplish and have shown they are willing to spend centuries to make it happen.

Look at the history. Compare it to where the muslims are today to back then. Then as the birth rates suggest project what is in the cards for the future.

So do not feel bad that one cannot come up with a suggestion on how to make it better. It cannot be done. And we are fast becoming a nation tha will no longer make the hard choices to bring it to a stop and under control in this country.

I suggest no more immigration of muslims. Any that are not citizens, send them home when their visa is up. Pull all troops and stop all financial support of muslim countries. Let them evolve back to where they were before they started to migrate.

Isn't it amazing how we freeze up when an uncomfortable subject hits the table? This cannot be swept under or out of discussion. We are risking the future generation of Americans who are not Muslims.

btk

Doodle 08-16-2013 03:16 PM

I'm going to throw uo!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 726853)
I noticed this article about a planned "Million Muslim March" in Washington scheduled for 11 September.

'Million Muslim March' Scheduled for Sept. 11 Reorients to Seek 9/11 'Truth' - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)

I wondering how people might feel about this ?? Is this a positive development, negative, not sure or what?

Anyone who was there or even not there. Will always have a hole in your heart. I get peaceful protests, blah, blah, blah. Part of bing a citizen in the USA is that we have somber holidays to remember those that lost their lives. Shame on them. I'm just sickened. The participants be warned..new Yorkers do not mess around! Ugghhhhhhh.when will it end?:swear:

rubicon 08-16-2013 03:35 PM

March set on 9/11
Demands for accountability by he government as to the truth of 9/11
Hoping Louis Farrakhan Nation of Islam will attend.
Please.

Too often people confuse their heads with their hearts.

Ask Europeans what they are dealing with now. One European told me his entire city is now Muslim. Another European that they don't recognize Dublin any longer.

Politicians are absorbed by the Mexican issue but won't come within a mile of the Muslim issue. Why do you think that is so?

The Samolian problem in Minneapolis is explosive.

Look at what is going on in the Middle East and look at what happened in Europe then look at what happened in Detroit add to that 9/11/2001 and you can see where we are headed.

This issue isn't about race its about an ideology that makes it clear that every infidel is their enemy and needs to be destroyed. turning the other cheek here is only going to get you grief.


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