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Guest 07-30-2016 02:58 PM

those against Obamacare
 
How is your coverage at the "Villages Health System" going? A trump backer, my way or the highway, disregard what I told you it's about the money.

Guest 07-30-2016 03:31 PM

Do you expect any medical practice to continue to provide services when they are losing money ?
What special status status do you have / possess ? Are you a member of a special " Tribe " or do you come to the Villages from a special place such that someone owes you and yours something special ?

By the way if you know anything at all about " Obama Care " you would be aware that the operating rules are still being written and rolled out as we go along . Consequently when it first became the Law the Regulations were not fully developed . Complying with the ever increasing regulations of this Mega-Law are proving to be extremely expensive and as a result most medical practices find themselves struggling with compliance .

Guest 07-30-2016 03:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263295)
Do you expect any medical practice to continue to provide services when they are losing money ?
What special status status do you have / possess ? Are you a member of a special " Tribe " or do you come to the Villages from a special place such that someone owes you and yours something special ?

By the way if you know anything at all about " Obama Care " you would be aware that the operating rules are still being written and rolled out as we go along . Consequently when it first became the Law the Regulations were not fully developed . Complying with the ever increasing regulations of this Mega-Law are proving to be extremely expensive and as a result most medical practices find themselves struggling with compliance .



Middle income people have been forced to live at a progressively lower standard of living over the course of the past 4 decades now the upper income will find out what it feels like. Adapt or die my friend.

Guest 07-30-2016 03:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263306)
Middle income people have been forced to live at a progressively lower standard of living over the course of the past 4 decades now the upper income will find out what it feels like. Adapt or die my friend.

What are you trying to say ? And how can you make the assumptions that you are directing at me ?

Just amazing ! What are you both a Tribe-member and clairvoyant ?

" My friend "

Guest 07-30-2016 03:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263307)
What are you trying to say ? And how can you make the assumptions that you are directing at me ?



Just amazing ! What are you both a Tribe-member and clairvoyant ?



" My friend "



Wasn't directed towards you, just the situation you pointed out.

Guest 07-30-2016 05:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263295)
Do you expect any medical practice to continue to provide services when they are losing money ?
What special status status do you have / possess ? Are you a member of a special " Tribe " or do you come to the Villages from a special place such that someone owes you and yours something special ?

By the way if you know anything at all about " Obama Care " you would be aware that the operating rules are still being written and rolled out as we go along . Consequently when it first became the Law the Regulations were not fully developed . Complying with the ever increasing regulations of this Mega-Law are proving to be extremely expensive and as a result most medical practices find themselves struggling with compliance .

How do you know if they are losing money, are you privileged to the books. Oh I know, the developer would never lie. Nice to know your an expert on Obamacare.

Guest 07-30-2016 05:32 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263264)
How is your coverage at the "Villages Health System" going? A trump backer, my way or the highway, disregard what I told you it's about the money.

I spent my career in medical group management (systems larger than the Villages system) and Medicare did not cover the fully loaded costs. Practices continued to care for patients when they became Medicare eligible because it was the right thing to do. If Medicare or any single layer system is adopted expect "adequate" but not easily accessible care. VA care for all. Not bad, but not what Americans are used to.

Guest 07-30-2016 05:59 PM

United Health Care insurance dropped out of Obamacare a while ago. Said they were losing too much money. It's already falling apart and it isn't even 2017 when it will get real bad. My wife is a cancer survivor and made it past her five years of observation or whatever they do. We have Blue Cross. She was supposed to have a P.E.T. scan every five years to make sure it hasn't returned. It used to be covered but we were in for a shock when we got a bill for $9K because they no longer cover it. I called them and they said it was due to Obamacare, whatever that means. They used to cheerfully cover all of our tests and labs.
My daughter's deductible went up thousands of dollars per year.
Our copay went up 50% on hospital in-patient and out-patient services.

I heard someone on here, probably on another thread insist that due to Obamacare, premiums had risen less than before. BS! I've never seen premiums go up at such high percentage rates in my lifetime.

Guest 07-30-2016 10:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263363)
I heard someone on here, probably on another thread insist that due to Obamacare, premiums had risen less than before. BS! I've never seen premiums go up at such high percentage rates in my lifetime.

You will excuse those of us who prefer facts, over your supposed anecdotal ramblings...won't you? ;)


Health premiums after Obamacare? They’re lower.

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Today, even as news about big premium increases for 2017 raises concerns about the Affordable Care Act’s long-term health, an analysis released last week in the journal Health Affairs seeks to put things in perspective. The upshot: Things could be worse.

It turns out that the average premiums in the individual market actually dropped when the ACA was implemented.

“Average premiums for the second-lowest cost silver-level (SLS) marketplace plan in 2014, which serves as a benchmark for ACA subsidies, were between 10 and 21 percent lower than average individual market premiums in 2013, before the ACA…,” write researchers from the Brookings Institute.

And in 2016 – two years into the marketplaces’ operation – premiums are still lower than they were in the individual insurance market in 2013. They’re 20 percent below the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) original projections, write co-authors of the analysis, Paul Ginsburg and Loren Adler.

In addition to lower than expected premiums, ACA plans include a host of benefits many policies didn’t have before the law took effect. That, along with a guarantee of coverage for all who apply for health insurance and restrictions on medical underwriting should have caused a precipitous spike in the cost of health plans.

These results are not what many experts expected.

Sorry to burst your bubble (purposeful lying?), but that's why some of us prefer actual facts instead of simply believing someone's opinion who has an agenda...and who are given their talking points by suspect sources or massive e-mails meant to incite anger. :shrug:


Please forgive us. :D



:wave:

CNM

Guest 07-30-2016 11:07 PM

You would think th first thing they would of fixed under Obama care would of been against the law to NOT accept any insurance, but the insurance lobbist greased some politicians to screw the people that can actually pay for health insurance, so the ones that can't pay get it for free. Now, seeing the aftermath and it's going to get really bad in 2017 when Obama out of office cause that when Shyt really kicks in. Anybody with brain knows insurance NEVER EVER goes DOWN!

Guest 07-31-2016 04:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263457)
You will excuse those of us who prefer facts, over your supposed anecdotal ramblings...won't you? ;)


Health premiums after Obamacare? They’re lower.



Sorry to burst your bubble (purposeful lying?), but that's why some of us prefer actual facts instead of simply believing someone's opinion who has an agenda...and who are given their talking points by suspect sources or massive e-mails meant to incite anger. :shrug:


Please forgive us. :D



:wave:

CNM

I guess it was not hard for them to fool the likes of you. You are wrong, regardless of you fictional information and link. I do not know of anyone that has had LOWER insurance premiums. Go onto the Blue Cross website for example and compare their monthly premiums to what they were before Oamacare. That is just one example. I guess you have not been listening to the news lately about the big increase in Texas.
You may fool some of your tard liberals, but not everyone thinks your little gay cartoons make your idiot comments cutesy and knowledgeable. The only thing you have gotten right so far is your punctuation correction of someone posting in a forum, of all things. But, nice try. Don't forget to provide your little three letter ID at the end of your reply so that we can all appreciate and give you the proper attention you seek. I will see if I can find a big head emoticon for you. I think that is what the kids are calling those little gay comic pictures you enjoy.

Guest 07-31-2016 05:48 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263480)
I guess it was not hard for them to fool the likes of you. You are wrong, regardless of you fictional information and link. I do not know of anyone that has had LOWER insurance premiums. Go onto the Blue Cross website for example and compare their monthly premiums to what they were before Oamacare. That is just one example. I guess you have not been listening to the news lately about the big increase in Texas.
You may fool some of your tard liberals, but not everyone thinks your little gay cartoons make your idiot comments cutesy and knowledgeable. The only thing you have gotten right so far is your punctuation correction of someone posting in a forum, of all things. But, nice try. Don't forget to provide your little three letter ID at the end of your reply so that we can all appreciate and give you the proper attention you seek. I will see if I can find a big head emoticon for you. I think that is what the kids are calling those little gay comic pictures you enjoy.

As much as it may hurt your anecdotal lying, health insurance premiums were rising at an alarming rate for decades.

Much higher/faster, as proved, than before ACA.

By your specious and simplistic reasoning, since I've never known a serial killer...they therefore must not exist.

Is that simple enough for you to understand, that your supposed micro-level personal experience means squat... compared to actual facts? :rolleyes:

Nahhh, what was I thinking? :oops:

You don't have the intellectual capacity, or are too emotionally driven... to understand simple facts. ;)



:wave:

CNM


BTW - I love that you get so easily upset at my use of emoticons, as that is simply another way in which... you lose. :D

Guest 07-31-2016 06:25 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263491)
As much as it may hurt your anecdotal lying, health insurance premiums were rising at an alarming rate for decades.

Much higher/faster, as proved, than before ACA.

By your specious and simplistic reasoning, since I've never known a serial killer...they therefore must not exist.

Is that simple enough for you to understand, that your supposed micro-level personal experience means squat... compared to actual facts? :rolleyes:

Nahhh, what was I thinking? :oops:

You don't have the intellectual capacity, or are too emotionally driven... to understand simple facts. ;)



:wave:

CNM


BTW - I love that you get so easily upset at my use of emoticons, as that is simply another way in which... you lose. :D

Obie promised to stop the rise in health care insurance and actually make it cheaper. Didn't happen, did it?

Premiums went up. Co-payments went up and Deductibles went up. And services provided went down. Kind of hard to see the up side when you are on the down side of it.
ObamaCare will have to be eliminated in order to get the prices under control. It was purposely made to fail anyway. It was just a step toward universal health care, commonly known as socialized medicine.

Guest 07-31-2016 07:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263351)
I spent my career in medical group management (systems larger than the Villages system) and Medicare did not cover the fully loaded costs. Practices continued to care for patients when they became Medicare eligible because it was the right thing to do. If Medicare or any single layer system is adopted expect "adequate" but not easily accessible care. VA care for all. Not bad, but not what Americans are used to.

"Medicare did not cover the fully loaded costs" Tell us why.

Guest 07-31-2016 07:35 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1263363)
United Health Care insurance dropped out of Obamacare a while ago. Said they were losing too much money. It's already falling apart and it isn't even 2017 when it will get real bad. My wife is a cancer survivor and made it past her five years of observation or whatever they do. We have Blue Cross. She was supposed to have a P.E.T. scan every five years to make sure it hasn't returned. It used to be covered but we were in for a shock when we got a bill for $9K because they no longer cover it. I called them and they said it was due to Obamacare, whatever that means. They used to cheerfully cover all of our tests and labs.
My daughter's deductible went up thousands of dollars per year.
Our copay went up 50% on hospital in-patient and out-patient services.

I heard someone on here, probably on another thread insist that due to Obamacare, premiums had risen less than before. BS! I've never seen premiums go up at such high percentage rates in my lifetime.

It's Obamacare's fault, a very easy excuse. How about the insurance companies are greedy and shifting the blame. When Hillary gets in with a massive plurality in congress a one payer system with come to fruition.


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