[justjim]

I was a marshal in a LPGA event in my home state for about 20 years. I saw the trend of the lack of American female golfers starting back 25 years ago. As a general rule, American girls much prefer team sports over golf which is considered an individual sport. Our best female athletes are not golfers and that “Jack” is a fact! There is also a “trend” among American males also. There are many other reasons such as culture, cost and commitment. You could call it the 3 C’s of American golf. There are some changes USGA is trying hard to make and much of the change is trying to go from “Country Club golf” to opportunities for everybody to play golf at a young age. Change doesn’t come easy.

[Camranhvet]

Andrea Lee is listed as American but she is a full fledged Korean girl by nationality.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Camranhvet

Andrea Lee is listed as American but she is a full fledged Korean girl by nationality.

She was born in Los Angeles. California many not be like the America we all know, but she's as American as anyone is.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Bingo!

My wife and I were spectators for a couple of days a few years back when the LPGA championship was held at Hazeltine National Golf Course near Minneapolis, MN. I still recall those willowy Asian ladies with a BMI of about zero walking nonchalantly up to the tee and--whack!--watching the ball disappear over the horizon.

My wife is Asian, so the fact that so many of the contestants were also Asian didn't surprise me in the least. It goes back to the work ethic extant in so many Asian cultures--and also among Asians in America. Those kids are brought up to excel: that the only guaranteed way to success is to work your butt off. So that is what they do. And the results are obvious.

There is a hard lesson to be learned here. What we are seeing is the inevitable result of the entitlement mentality so prevalent in America today. Yeah...these Asian kids succeed because they work their tails off--and not just in women's golf, but in education, the work place--you name it. All too often the non-Asian Americans don't.

Since you brought it up...there is also a downside to those ‘expectations’ as well. I remember in or around 2015 at MIT.....the suicide rate in the Asian campus community was quadruple the national average. So I ask you....at what cost?

[collie1228]

I think you can agree that American women's golf is dominated by Asian women, especially Korean, without being racist. Is it a problem? Not really. The problem is the relative lack of American top level pro golfers. I don't watch it either, as I find TV golf to be pretty boring. The Korean government many years ago saw that professional golf could be a gateway for their sports programs and they acted on it, by investing in training/coaching very young women. Our government doesn't do that, nor should they.

[Rainger99]

When I saw the original post, I thought he was referring to the fact that almost nobody would recognize the names. Most people don't want to tune it to see a bunch of players that they don't recognize.

I don't follow women's sports and the only one I recognized was Minjee Lee.
Unless you follow the women's golf very closely, I doubt if anyone recognized three of the players.

The only WNBA players I know are Clark and Griner (and the only reason I know her is because she was arrested in Russia).

The purpose of professional sports is to get money - usually through television viewership. Unless you have names that people recognize, people aren't going to tune in and watch.

Even the PGA is having problems with television ratings.

The final round of the Masters (9.58 million viewers) was down about 20 percent from 2023. It was the lowest-rated Masters since 1993 with the exception of the two Covid years.

The final rounds of the Phoenix Open and Arnold Palmer Invitational were down over 30 percent from last year.

The Players Championship, the final round was only viewed by 3.53 million viewers. That was down 15 percent—and all four rounds of the tournament were lower than 2023.

As for regular tournaments, most casual observers don't recognize more than a handful of players. The top ten players at the Canadian Open only had one player in the top 10 FedExCup rankings - Rory McIlroy. The winner (Robert MacIntyre) is ranked 32 in Fedexcup points; Ben Griffin finished second and is 54th, Victor Perez is 80th; Tom Kim is 66th; Rory is 3rd, the fourth place player is 45; Ryan Fox is 96th; Mackensie Hughes is 40th; and Maverick McNealy is 57th. These numbers are after the tournament. Going in, they were ranked lower. Not must see television!

The PGA misses Tiger and with many of the top names going to LIV, mens' golf is not as interesting.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by collie1228

I think you can agree that American women's golf is dominated by Asian women, especially Korean, without being racist. Is it a problem? Not really. ... Our government doesn't do that, nor should they.

But we should provide the opportunity for 100 women from other countries, to fly into the USA for a week and take $12,000,000 home with them?

They do nothing to support golf in the USA. Do nothing to support the USGA in the US. They come and take the money, mumble a couple of words of English (in many cases) and go home with their millions, until they come back next year for a week. It's the US Women's Open, not the "World Women's Open".

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

When I saw the original post, I thought he was referring to the fact that almost nobody would recognize the names. Most people don't want to tune it to see a bunch of players that they don't recognize.


The PGA misses Tiger and with many of the top names going to LIV, mens' golf is not as interesting.

I think there are 2 things wrong with TV Golf, which contribute to declining viewership.

1. Exactly what you mentioned. The Leaderboard at the RBC Canadian Open was a joke. If Bob MacIntyre didn't have his Dad caddying for him, the entire tournament would have been non-story.

2. It used to be when we watched golf, we were seeing players, who were playing the exact same game as us, on the same courses we could play. Nicklaus may have hit an 8 iron into a green, when we would need a 7 iron ... but it was the same game. Now? Guys are hitting 8 iron 2nd shots, on 600 yard Par 5's. They're playing 295 yard Par 3's. It's hard to relate.

[asianthree]

[QUOTE=GATORBILL66;2337246]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Well, I don’t see a problem,

Most don't speak any English and most are not from the good ole USA.

One thinks some don’t understand English, but with some upbringing if you’re not at peak language performance, you should not embarrass yourself or family.

Our 3 children speak, read and write 5-7 languages fluently

My grandchildren speak read, 4 languages fluently.

However they can understand 3 other languages, but will not speak, since not perfected. Asian languages for them could be listed first language, just as much English.

As far as born USA, many have ancestors that fled here, but unless you are Native, most likely you are the Heinz 57 like many who chose to live in the states

[retiredguy123]

The tournament is called the "Open" because it is open to everyone. The best player wins. How else would you run an open tournament?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

But we should provide the opportunity for 100 women from other countries, to fly into the USA for a week and take $12,000,000 home with them?

They do nothing to support golf in the USA. Do nothing to support the USGA in the US. They come and take the money, mumble a couple of words of English (in many cases) and go home with their millions, until they come back next year for a week. It's the US Women's Open, not the "World Women's Open".

It is nice to see your objection is based on economic concerns of those foreigners coming and getting away with our US dollars. I assume if I look back I will find your postings about how Rory shouldn't compete in the US open, or any of those white Europeans in our US open tennis. Certainly we should be pushing to stop American men from playing in the British open golf or Wimbledon or riding in the Tour d'France. Stealing their pounds and francs and running back across the Atlantic with their money. Maybe Lance Armstrong mumbled a few words in French too.

No, I don't think your objection is that it is foreigners, rather it is what kind of foreigners. And rather than just say they are great players we read here about how the pathological Asian culture that produces these robotically good golfers also increases the suicide risk at MIT. And how they have short tendons so how can white golfers possibly compete (false by the way).

Must be hard to watch an NBA game and have to either root for the team with out of Africa stars or European stars. How some of us yearn for the good old days when people like that knew their place and stayed there.

Several of the posts in this thread are outright racist. Full outright racist and any attempt to WHITE wash them fails unless you are unable to recognize racist when it screams in your face.

[MightyDog]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

Yes, the point was pure unadulterated racism.

You could be right. It seemed to me to be more just another opportunity to take a swipe at females in general. There are some relics on here who do that sometimes.

[SHIBUMI]

Men and women are not created equal for sports.......... if you think certain physical traits don't benefit some your living in a dream world. Shorter Achilles heal tendons do exist. BUT HERE IS THE REAL DEAL..............

The public is looking for heroes, goats, dominating players to feed their ego's of how things ought to be. One above the rest........
because of racism and exclusion this superman or batman existed and people yearned for it...........the problem is we have raised the bar of the mediocre and created parity, BORING...

the days of parity are on us..........its just time to enjoy a great game and not a great hero
I also don't believe TV ratings are accurate, like many other so called polls today. There are so many tv stations you can watch an event they don't measure them all.

Like I said, just enjoy the game and whatever hero shows up on that day or series. Parity is the new boring........time will tell...

Originally Posted by blueash

It is nice to see your objection is based on economic concerns of those foreigners coming and getting away with our US dollars. I assume if I look back I will find your postings about how Rory shouldn't compete in the US open, or any of those white Europeans in our US open tennis. Certainly we should be pushing to stop American men from playing in the British open golf or Wimbledon or riding in the Tour d'France. Stealing their pounds and francs and running back across the Atlantic with their money. Maybe Lance Armstrong mumbled a few words in French too.

No, I don't think your objection is that it is foreigners, rather it is what kind of foreigners. And rather than just say they are great players we read here about how the pathological Asian culture that produces these robotically good golfers also increases the suicide risk at MIT. And how they have short tendons so how can white golfers possibly compete (false by the way).

Must be hard to watch an NBA game and have to either root for the team with out of Africa stars or European stars. How some of us yearn for the good old days when people like that knew their place and stayed there.

Several of the posts in this thread are outright racist. Full outright racist and any attempt to WHITE wash them fails unless you are unable to recognize racist when it screams in your face.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

But we should provide the opportunity for 100 women from other countries, to fly into the USA for a week and take $12,000,000 home with them?

They do nothing to support golf in the USA. Do nothing to support the USGA in the US. They come and take the money, mumble a couple of words of English (in many cases) and go home with their millions, until they come back next year for a week. It's the US Women's Open, not the "World Women's Open".

Rubbish. Both mens and ladies golf tours are international, open to all who can qualify.
Our own Opens, male and female, are dominated by non-UK golfers, who take most of the prize money home with them. Best player wins.
As for "mumbling a few words in English" the majority can speak either fluently, or passable English.
How's your Korean, Cantonese or Norwegian?

Now, if you want a real closed shop, how about the World Baseball Series.
Oxymoron if there ever was one.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Rubbish. Both mens and ladies golf tours are international, open to all who can qualify.
Our own Opens, male and female, are dominated by non-UK golfers, who take most of the prize money home with them. Best player wins.
As for "mumbling a few words in English" the majority can speak either fluently, or passable English.
How's your Korean, Cantonese or Norwegian?

Now, if you want a real closed shop, how about the World Baseball Series.
Oxymoron if there ever was one.

Do you seriously think another team from anywhere in the world (not an all-star team) could beat the MLB World Series winner?

Japan, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Canada, Australia?