[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Harold.wiser

Fixed water supply + Increasing population = Fresh water shortages

Yes, a correct equation. Golfing was a wonderful sport from about the 1950s to the 1990s when the US population went from about 180 million people to about double around 300,000 or more counting illegals. Now as presently constituted the sport of golf is hazardous to YOUR health and to the planet in general. Love your planet - put your golf bag in any available DUMPSTER!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, a correct equation. Golfing was a wonderful sport from about the 1950s to the 1990s when the US population went from about 180 million people to about double around 300,000 or more counting illegals. Now as presently constituted the sport of golf is hazardous to YOUR health and to the planet in general. Love your planet - put your golf bag in any available DUMPSTER!

Res ipsa loquitur. BTW, the roots of golf go back to the Romans, and the Scots were playing golf on the very land that is now St. Andrews in the 1300's. I very much doubt the game will disappear with the next generation after thousands of years, and certainly not over water evaporation or global warming or other such nonsense. Another BTW---A single golf course produces enough oxygen for 7-8000 people, and also scrubs tons of your "dreaded" CO2 out of the atmosphere. So, love your planet----build more golf courses!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Res ipsa loquitur. BTW, the roots of golf go back to the Romans, and the Scots were playing golf on the very land that is now St. Andrews in the 1300's. I very much doubt the game will disappear with the next generation after thousands of years, and certainly not over water evaporation or global warming or other such nonsense. Another BTW---A single golf course produces enough oxygen for 7-8000 people, and also scrubs tons of your "dreaded" CO2 out of the atmosphere. So, love your planet----build more golf courses!!!

The Romans and the Scots did NOT have to worry about a population explosion and global warming so like I said, "Golf was a wonderful sport in the US from 1950 to 1990". But, don't worry if you already have a house built - those tree-killing BEETLES in the Rocky Mountains will only force our descendants, not us, to live in mud and steel shacks, without wood framing or wood floors. And the poorer ones can live in tents on the empty golf courses. What a future we are leaving, but don't call us selfish. And I wonder why each succeeding US generation on official polls has stated that they are NOT better off than their prior generation. Just a fact!

[Babubhat]

Golf course usage trivial. Look at the debacle of mining rare earth for electric vehicles. It’s absurd the amount of polluted water generated. Done in the arid West

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

Golf course usage trivial. Look at the debacle of mining rare earth for electric vehicles. It’s absurd the amount of polluted water generated. Done in the arid West

OK, I should research that. Possibly a good point. Not sure at this point.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The Romans and the Scots did NOT have to worry about a population explosion and global warming so like I said, "Golf was a wonderful sport in the US from 1950 to 1990". But, don't worry if you already have a house built - those tree-killing BEETLES in the Rocky Mountains will only force our descendants, not us, to like in mud and steel shacks, without wood framing or wood floors. And the poorer ones can live in tents on the empty golf courses. What a future we are leaving, but don't call us selfish. And I wonder why each succeeding US generation on official polls has stated that they are NOT better off than their prior generation. Just a fact!

Actually, while the Romans and Scots probably didn't know about population growth, at the time Malthusian economics would have dominated the situation (population growing geometrically while food supply growing arithmetically). And nobody has to worry about so called "global warming" since it is a myth. (actually, it is not a myth, it is real and caused by geological and climatological cycles that have been at work for millions of years and have nothing, repeat ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the activities of man. Therefore, nobody has to worry about it since we can't change it. Now, I do have to admire the apocalyptic Euell Gibbons beetle scenario---very creative work of fiction but I'll hold off on taking a long position in mud for now. But on a more serious note, is a tent erected by a "poor" person who can't afford "mud" treated as a temporary movable obstruction or an integral part of the course under the rules

Since this is Valentine"s day, I briefly considered letting you finally win one of these debates, since after all there is a first time for everything. Nah!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

If you are saying that the Phoenix Open should be played somewhere else, I'm on board with that. I'll watch it on TV anyway. And drink beer, not water.

No, I saying there wasting water in desert. Don’t need all the grass and lakes.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Actually, while the Romans and Scots probably didn't know about population growth, at the time Malthusian economics would have dominated the situation (population growing geometrically while food supply growing arithmetically). And nobody has to worry about so called "global warming" since it is a myth. (actually, it is not a myth, it is real and caused by geological and climatological cycles that have been at work for millions of years and have nothing, repeat ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the activities of man. Therefore, nobody has to worry about it since we can't change it. Now, I do have to admire the apocalyptic Euell Gibbons beetle scenario---very creative work of fiction but I'll hold off on taking a long position in mud for now. But on a more serious note, is a tent erected by a "poor" person who can't afford "mud" treated as a temporary movable obstruction or an integral part of the course under the rules

Since this is Valentine"s day, I briefly considered letting you finally win one of these debates, since after all there is a first time for everything. Nah!

Thanks for sending me a Valentine.......that was very sweet. I enjoy debating with you because I learn SO much from your advanced intellect (practically above mere mortal men)! You can mess with me, but be wary of messing with the
blue-ashed one - he has a tendency to kick your ash!
........DO please Google what I said about the beetle (probably an ash beetle) that is KILLING trees in the Rockies. And causing the 250% increase in wood building materials. That is just a fact. And I guess that it is just a coincidence that the WORLD'S CLIMATE changed at the same time as the World and US population skyrocketed from about 1975 on. At the ACCELERATED rate that Antarctican ice is melting and the world's oceans are rising - then TV Land will become beachfront on both east and west side by about 2050. Hope people can swim or buy a life preserver now and put it into their favorite GOLF bag. Anyway, happy Valentine's Day!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

No, I saying there wasting water in desert. Don’t need all the grass and lakes.

Over 70% of the earth is covered with water. Nary a drop of water has simply "disappeared" in the history of the earth ... as others have pointed out.

There is no water shortage on earth. There's a shortage of will to clean and distribute it and it's a convenient rallying point, for those who want to claim the sky is falling, because it suits their political agenda.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Thanks for sending me a Valentine.......that was very sweet. I enjoy debating with you because I learn SO much from your advanced intellect (practically above mere mortal men)! You can mess with me, but be wary of messing with the
blue-ashed one - he has a tendency to kick your ash!
........DO please Google what I said about the beetle (probably an ash beetle) that is KILLING trees in the Rockies. And causing the 250% increase in wood building materials. That is just a fact. And I guess that it is just a coincidence that the WORLD'S CLIMATE changed at the same time as the World and US population skyrocketed from about 1975 on. At the ACCELERATED rate that Antarctican ice is melting and the world's oceans are rising - then TV Land will become beachfront on both east and west side by about 2050. Hope people can swim or buy a life preserver now and put it into their favorite GOLF bag. Anyway, happy Valentine's Day!

Funny thing revisionist history, but in 1975 the buzz word in climate was the coming of another ice age due to global cooling. And here is another "inconvenient" fact---the Antarctic ice pack is melting in some places, growing in others, but overall is experiencing a net gain. So much for the TV beachfront. And wasn't the "inconvenient truth" VP guru that stated all the ice caps would be completely gone by 2010????

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Over 70% of the earth is covered with water. Nary a drop of water has simply "disappeared" in the history of the earth ... as others have pointed out.

There is no water shortage on earth. There's a shortage of will to clean and distribute it and it's a convenient rallying point, for those who want to claim the sky is falling, because it suits their political agenda.

Did you just land from another planet? Yes there plenty of water in certain areas.

Most golf course’s desert don’t have lush fairways to greens, they where built with conservation in mind, not waste/greed. The areas most drive over don’t need to be grass, areas off second cut don’t need to be grass. They sure don’t need no big artificial lakes.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Well, if California didn't allow billions of gallons of water to simply flow into the Pacific and addressed the water supply TO Lake Meade...

Oh, and do you use your irrigation system in TV?

Got to save the rare earth minnow’s.

Rarely use my irrigation system. I redesigned the wasteful pop up sprinkler that water everywhere but little on plants.

Yes, I’m do good er, I do my part to save our natural resources.

[justjim]

Arizona water shortage. Prior to retirement, several moons ago,(1987 or1988)my plane landed in Phoenix and as I always did first I picked up the local newspaper. The front page headlines was all about how the valley of the sun was required to stop development because the lack of water. Some four decades later the population of the valley is several times more than it was in the late 1980’s. My point. We humans we adapt, we improvise and we overcome.

[kkingston57]

Played in Phoenix before. Signs all over the place telling golfers that water is re claimed Most, if not all courses use re claimed water.

There will be problems in the future. Lake Mead and Lake Powell are both going down and this year is looking to be another below average snow melt in the Rockies.

[Bay Kid]

I've never seen so much beer wasted. Sad.