[Rainger99]

The 8th hole at Oakmont will once again play as the longest Par 3 in U.S. Open history, coming in at 290+ yards. It was 300 yards the last time the Open was played there.

I don’t think every pro golfer can hit it 290 yards. In 2021, the average drive was 295.30 yards.

Is this unfair to the shorter drivers??

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

The 8th hole at Oakmont will once again play as the longest Par 3 in U.S. Open history, coming in at 290+ yards. It was 300 yards the last time the Open was played there.

I don’t think every pro golfer can hit it 290 yards. In 2021, the average drive was 295.30 yards.

Is this unfair to the shorter drivers??

Well, the 86th longest driver on tour averages 300. The 150th, 294 yards---yep pretty fair. And 300 to hole might only be 280 cover. No different that a 320 par 4 where the longest hitters have a big advantage. And I suspect some of the longer hitters won't even need driver on this hole. (Bryson will swing hard with a gap wedge )

[Snakster66]

It's supposed to be hard. If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard is what makes it great.

-Jimmy Dugan

[Hape2Bhr]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, the 86th longest driver on tour averages 300. The 150th, 294 yards---yep pretty fair. And 300 to hole might only be 280 cover. No different that a 320 par 4 where the longest hitters have a big advantage. And I suspect some of the longer hitters won't even need driver on this hole. (Bryson will swing hard with a gap wedge )

Billy Casper won a U.S. Open by laying up 4 times on a par 3 at Winged Foot.

[jimhoward]

At the risk of stating the obvious, the par value you assign to a hole has no effect on a tournament. It raises or lowers everyone score relative to par, but does not affect the scores relative to each other.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr

Billy Casper won a U.S. Open by laying up 4 times on a par 3 at Winged Foot.

I had never heard that.

However, according to The NY Times, in 1959 it played at 216 yards - not 300 yards.
It said that he laid up because he made a double bogey after going for the green in a practice round.

Why some may lay up on par 3 at Winged Foot - NBC Sports

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, the 86th longest driver on tour averages 300. The 150th, 294 yards---yep pretty fair. And 300 to hole might only be 280 cover. No different that a 320 par 4 where the longest hitters have a big advantage. And I suspect some of the longer hitters won't even need driver on this hole. (Bryson will swing hard with a gap wedge )

Of the top 180 PGA golfers, 96 average 300+. Golfers ranked 97-180 average below 300 yards.

The shortest hitter is Brian Campbell who “only” averages 275.3 yards. However, he won the Mexican Open in February winning $1.26 million.

The interesting thing about that victory is that Campbell won in a playoff against Aldrich Potgieter who is the longest driver on the tour.


2025 PGA Tour - Drive Distance Leaders - CBSSports.com

[Topspinmo]

Most pro golfer can fly ball around 280 plus with drivers, with bounce and roll out they can birdie it. Now can they control drive the question not length IMO.

[Marathon Man]

Doesn't matter. Total strokes are used to determine the winner.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

The 8th hole at Oakmont will once again play as the longest Par 3 in U.S. Open history, coming in at 290+ yards. It was 300 yards the last time the Open was played there.

I don’t think every pro golfer can hit it 290 yards. In 2021, the average drive was 295.30 yards.

Is this unfair to the shorter drivers??

Almost no one will need a Driver for the 8th hole. Cover is only about 230 and it's probably the flattest and easiest Green on the golf course. Most everyone will hit a Utility Iron or a 4 Iron. It was the 5th hardest hole at the 2007 Open, at 300 yards ... guys have gained a lot of distance in the last 18 years. Bryson says he's hitting a "soft 7 Iron". [https://x.com/PGATUOR/status/1925657...81583/photo/1]

The hole will probably play to an average of 3.3. In 2007, no hole at Oakmont averaged under Par. The 14th was the best to Par, at 4.05

There's hardly anyone one the PGA Tour who can't carry it 290+ yards, if they want to.

As others have mentioned, "Par" is an arbitrary number and means nothing, unless you're playing a Stableford.

[coleprice]

The average PGA drive of 300 yards is accomplished with a DRIVER. Many PGA pros can't hit 300 yards with anything but a Driver or 3-Wood, if they can reach 300 hards at all. Even the longest hitters would have trouble reaching the green on a 300 yard par 3 if they're teeing off into a brisk head-wind. So, in my (humble) opinion, a par 3 of longer than 250 or 260 yards is not a true test and shouldn't be used. It should also be noted that "drivable Par 4" holes are usually around 320 to 330 yards.

[SHIBUMI]

I think the USGA lists 250 as the mark............if the hole does in fact play 300, it is just plain stupid and being done for theatrics. It must not actually play that long.
Older courses like this can be made obsolete with the new distances. For the tour, on courses that can't get longer, the answer is to lower par. Par 5's into par 4's most of the answer. Yes, Par is a number that can be changed, but it needs to make sense, 300 yard par 3, is just theatre, but, thats what all sports are today, creative theatre. Don't try to make sense out of it or justify it.

Originally Posted by Rainger99

The 8th hole at Oakmont will once again play as the longest Par 3 in U.S. Open history, coming in at 290+ yards. It was 300 yards the last time the Open was played there.

I don’t think every pro golfer can hit it 290 yards. In 2021, the average drive was 295.30 yards.

Is this unfair to the shorter drivers??

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by coleprice

The average PGA drive of 300 yards is accomplished with a DRIVER. Many PGA pros can't hit 300 yards with anything but a Driver or 3-Wood, if they can reach 300 hards at all. ....

"Drives" on the PGA are not measured in relation to the club used. Driver distance for PGA Tour statistics, are measured on 2 holes, regardless of what club the player hits.

In 2024, Zach Johnson ranked 176th in Driving Distance, at 278.4. He also hit one 356 Yards at the Charles Schwab.

In 2024, Brian Campbell ranked 180th (last) on the PGA Tour in Driving Distance, at 272.9 Yards. He hit one 322 at US Open.

In 2024 Akshay Bhatia (a jerk), ranked 89th in Driving Distance, at 293.1. He hit one 440 Yards at the Sentry.

Max Homa ranked 72nd in Driving Distance, at 295 Yards. He hit one 477 at the Sentry.

In 2024, there were 337 Drives over 350 yards and 105 Drives over 400 yards.

Please name one player on the PGA Tour, who can't hit the ball over 300 yards.

These guys have plenty in reserve, when they want to go after it.

Unless the 8th hole plays dead into the wind, I doubt a single PGA Tour Player will hit Driver on 8. The majority will be hitting a utility club or maybe a 5 wood. Those guys are good.