[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

It also has created a culture where people do not care what things cost as the govt pays the bill.

I don’t know any of those folks. I, and everyone I know cares what things cost. And the government sure isn't paying my bills. I guess I must be doing something wrong.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I don’t know any of those folks. I, and everyone I know cares what things cost. And the government sure isn't paying my bills. I guess I must be doing something wrong.

Ever ask what surgery will cost before going under the knife?

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Ever ask what surgery will cost before going under the knife?

Unless it is an emergency, I always ask for a pre-authorization to make sure that the insurance company will pay it.

[Skip]

Mission Resort and Golf Club: "23% gratuity added for parties of 8 or more".
(aka "Tipping Creep.")
Wanna split an $18 Shrimp Cocktail?
$3 plate charge added.

Saw on a hand held POS System in Ocala recently...
Your tipping choices were: 20%, 25% and 30% !
I laughed out loud!

Skip

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Skip

Mission Resort and Golf Club: "23% gratuity added for parties of 8 or more".
(aka "Tipping Creep.")
Wanna split an $18 Shrimp Cocktail?
$3 plate charge added.

Saw on a hand held POS System in Ocala recently...
Your tipping choices were: 20%, 25% and 30% !
I laughed out loud!

Skip

I would rather serve myself, give the cook my order, sit at the table of my choice, read the menu on the table, refill my drink when I want it, not when/if the waiter happens to wander by. Oh, and not have to wait 15 minutes for the bill when I'm done because the waiter is on a smoke break. Don't think I forgot the "bus-boy". I'll leave a buck on the table for taking a minute or two to clear the table ND wipe it off with the ubiquitous wet/stinky towel they always have handy.
My "blest day" will be when tipping is a thing of the past.

[eyc234]

Our days of tipping like we have in the past are going to disappear when the law changes for taxing tips. If you are getting a deduction, you do not need as much from us.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by eyc234

Our days of tipping like we have in the past are going to disappear when the law changes for taxing tips. If you are getting a deduction, you do not need as much from us.

How much impact will the deduction for tips actually have?

Not looking for an answer about getting to deduct up to $25,000 in tips. Wondering what the correct percentage to tip will be when the servers will not have to pay taxes on a portion of their tips. Save me the trouble of doing the math.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I would rather serve myself, give the cook my order, sit at the table of my choice, read the menu on the table, refill my drink when I want it, not when/if the waiter happens to wander by. Oh, and not have to wait 15 minutes for the bill when I'm done because the waiter is on a smoke break. Don't think I forgot the "bus-boy". I'll leave a buck on the table for taking a minute or two to clear the table ND wipe it off with the ubiquitous wet/stinky towel they always have handy.
My "blest day" will be when tipping is a thing of the past.

And getting rid of tipping will solve the problems you mentioned? It really, really sounds like eating out is not for you.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

How much impact will the deduction for tips actually have?

Not looking for an answer about getting to deduct up to $25,000 in tips. Wondering what the correct percentage to tip will be when the servers will not have to pay taxes on a portion of their tips. Save me the trouble of doing the math.

Good question, have not decided how we will handle this but interested to see how this will affect servers.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I would rather serve myself, give the cook my order, sit at the table of my choice, read the menu on the table, refill my drink when I want it, not when/if the waiter happens to wander by. Oh, and not have to wait 15 minutes for the bill when I'm done because the waiter is on a smoke break. Don't think I forgot the "bus-boy". I'll leave a buck on the table for taking a minute or two to clear the table ND wipe it off with the ubiquitous wet/stinky towel they always have handy.
My "blest day" will be when tipping is a thing of the past.

Hope you're married; this isn't going over well on your next date....

[bmcgowan13]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I see nothing wrong in a simple showing of appreciation. But when a pleasant little gift/surprise turns into an expectation that forms a significant part of a business strategy that demands customers pay a significant part of employee wages, that, in my book is a scam. Devoid of conscience, ethics, honesty.

I tried telling my wife this exact quote last week when I didn't buy her an "obligatory" gift for our 23rd wedding anniversary....


I did not realize we have a very lumpy couch....

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

How much impact will the deduction for tips actually have?

Not looking for an answer about getting to deduct up to $25,000 in tips. Wondering what the correct percentage to tip will be when the servers will not have to pay taxes on a portion of their tips. Save me the trouble of doing the math.

I asked AI for the answer for three waitress. One makes $50,000 a year; one makes $75,000, and one makes $125,000.

Summary of Tax Savings
- Waitress 1 ($50,000): Saves $2,946.50

- Waitress 2 ($75,000): Saves $4,077.50

- Waitress 3 ($125,000): Saves $5,618

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I asked AI for the answer for three waitress. One makes $50,000 a year; one makes $75,000, and one makes $125,000.

Summary of Tax Savings
- Waitress 1 ($50,000): Saves $2,946.50

- Waitress 2 ($75,000): Saves $4,077.50

- Waitress 3 ($125,000): Saves $5,618

AI is known to be bad at math so I wonder how it came up with these numbers but regardless, this doesn’t tell me how I should adjust my tip percentage to account for the new deduction.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

The question should be, "why do we tip anyone? "
Obviously, an awful lot of people are making minimum wage and seem to be doing alright. Restranteurs, add $3.02 to servers wages and eliminate tipping for your customers and save them money. Servers no longer have to smooge with customers in hope of making minimum.
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate servers. I do hate the arbitrary practice of tipping. This thread has several examples of people who have no idea who they "should be tipping", or how much. I think the practice is ridiculously out of hand. Either everyone, from president on down works for tips, or no one should. Or, next time you want to let your server know that you appreciate the sandwich and water (with lemon) they they brought you, leave them a nice Hallmark thank you card. Those things are expensive and require thoughtfulness and effort on your part. I'm certain your waiter/waitress will really appreciate your kindness.

Waiters and waitresses in the US typically don't work full time. They get no benefits, paid days off, double-time for working holidays, etc.

In countries where wait staff don't typically get tipped, they tend to work full time and health care is universal so they don't pay extra for health insurance and don't need employer-paid health benefits.

US restaurants won't pay employees minimum wage PLUS give them 40-hour workweeks PLUS medical benefits, and the government won't give them medical benefits either.

So - that extra $3/hour doesn't mean much, if you're only working 20-25 hours a week and have to pay the bills. That's why being on wait staff tends to be a more desireable job in the USA, than being a cashier at Target. Wait staff get to earn a basic, low minimum, plus bonuses. It's not that much different from a sales person who works on commission, other than the dollar amount.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

It also has created a culture where people do not care what things cost as the govt pays the bill.

It also has created a culture where wealthy people also don't care what things cost, because living in a food desert or having your children go to school without breakfast, or having to work a full time job while attending college full time, is what poor people have to do, and who cares about them.