[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

1. Europe isn't peopled by tip addicted, competitive virtue signalers trying to show how empathetic, kind and generous they are.

Michael Lynn is a professor at Cornell and is one of the leading experts on tipping. He has published more than 50 articles on tipping.

He says “I think that there are five basic motives for tipping.

1. Some people tip to show off.

2. Some people tip to help the server, to supplement their income and make them happy.

3. Some people tip to get future service.

4. And then other people tip to avoid disapproval: You don't want the server to think badly of you.

5. And some people tip out of a sense of duty.

And if you are interested in reading any of his articles, check this out.

My website

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Or the restaurant could just pay everyone a minimum wage. Why is it that Europe can do it and the USA cannot do it?

If a restaurant paid waiters 2x or 3x the minimum wage, would you still tip?

If you demanded to know how much your server was getting paid, would the manager let you eat there at all or would he kick you out for minding someone else's business?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Velvet

I guess the thinking might be, if you can afford a more expensive meal (or drink) you can afford a more expensive tip. Tipping then, is not really for service.

Car wash. Different prices based on the value of the car you drive? Same principle. Price your meal based on the clothes you chose to wear? Same principle.
If tipping isn't really for service, what IS is it for?? (hint ; it serves the same purpose as a "thank you" card you sent to Grandma for the Christmas sweater she sent you as a child.)

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

If you demanded to know how much your server was getting paid, would the manager let you eat there at all or would he kick you out for minding someone else's business?

RIGHT! None of our flipping business. So what makes you believe you need to tip?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Car wash. Different prices based on the value of the car you drive? Same principle. Price your meal based on the clothes you chose to wear? Same principle.
If tipping isn't really for service, what IS is it for?? (hint ; it serves the same purpose as a "thank you" card you sent to Grandma for the Christmas sweater she sent you as a child.)

You are one of the few who continues to insist tipping is not for the service received.

Different prices based on the car I drive? Yes, different car wash choices based on the value I put on the car I drive and the service I expect from the car wash. I would make a different choice for my new Audi than I would for my ten year old Toyota and I would expect to pay different prices.

Price a meal based on the clothes you wear? Not the same at all. Though I might expect to pay more for the nicer clothes than for the more casual clothes.

At a more expensive restaurant I expect a higher quality of food as well as a higher quality of service. I expect the chef has had more training or more experience and therefore deserves more compensation. I expect the servers to have more training or more experience and therefore deserve a higher compensation. I may be more critical in my tipping decision at the more expensive restaurant due to those expectations.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I expect the servers to have more training or more experience and therefore deserve a higher compensation.

How much training do you think waiters and waitresses get? My niece worked at a waitress last summer. The first couple of hours she followed a more experienced waitress around but she was serving customers the first day. It isn't like they have to operate a cash register.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Michael Lynn is a professor at Cornell and is one of the leading experts on tipping. He has published more than 50 articles on tipping.

He says “I think that there are five basic motives for tipping.

1. Some people tip to show off.

2. Some people tip to help the server, to supplement their income and make them happy.

3. Some people tip to get future service.

4. And then other people tip to avoid disapproval: You don't want the server to think badly of you.

5. And some people tip out of a sense of duty.

And if you are interested in reading any of his articles, check this out.

My website

Thank you.
I suspect that the grand majority fall under #4, but when asked they use #2 as their reason because they don't want to be thought badly of by their associates. Sounds more altruistic, kind, generous.
In all cases it is mental manipulation of a customers mental situation. Beggers use it when they tug at your heartstrings with signs that say "homeless, single mom, veteran, disabled.
The good professor forgot #6. We are sheep, cattle, pack animals. We want to fit in. We have been Conditioned to follow the "custom" (scam) and automatically unload a significant percentage of the bill and add it to our payment and mentally justify it, "he/she was really good". Then, emotionally (and financially) unburdened we can head back to our respective barns feeling good about ourselves.
Baaaa. Mooo. That waiter was great! 😶😶😶

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You are one of the few who continues to insist tipping is not for the service received.

Different prices based on the car I drive? Yes, different car wash choices based on the value I put on the car I drive and the service I expect from the car wash. I would make a different choice for my new Audi than I would for my ten year old Toyota and I would expect to pay different prices.

Price a meal based on the clothes you wear? Not the same at all. Though I might expect to pay more for the nicer clothes than for the more casual clothes.

At a more expensive restaurant I expect a higher quality of food as well as a higher quality of service. I expect the chef has had more training or more experience and therefore deserves more compensation. I expect the servers to have more training or more experience and therefore deserve a higher compensation. I may be more critical in my tipping decision at the more expensive restaurant due to those expectations.

🫥😏🤭

[Skip]

Wow! So far 23 pages on this one topic. We could write a book.
Oh, maybe, we are.

Skip

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Michael Lynn is a professor at Cornell and is one of the leading experts on tipping. He has published more than 50 articles on tipping.

He says “I think that there are five basic motives for tipping.

1. Some people tip to show off.

2. Some people tip to help the server, to supplement their income and make them happy.

3. Some people tip to get future service.

4. And then other people tip to avoid disapproval: You don't want the server to think badly of you.

5. And some people tip out of a sense of duty.

And if you are interested in reading any of his articles, check this out.

My website

And some people tip mostly because it is customary.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Skip

Wow! So far 23 pages on this one topic. We could write a book.
Oh, maybe, we are.

Skip

Anyone could and many, even professors, have. Just pick a basic premise and go for it.
Tipping. What do you think of it? Pro or con? Good or bad? Harmful or helpful? Personally, I believe it is ultimately harmful. Arbitrary, inflationary, manipulative, unfair across the industry, psychological/emotional blackmail, etc.
Oh, just because I do it doesn’t mean I don't recognize it for what it is. A very successful scam that we (yes! Me too) all participate in and support, justify and defend. OK, I don't justify or defend it. The rest of the world can get along without it, so could we.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Velvet

And some people tip mostly because it is customary.

That comes in under #5. "Duty" post 331

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

That comes in under #5. "Duty" post 331

I suppose, but I don’t feel “duty” personally. I tip or don’t tip easily, depends on what service I received. And I get annoyed if a machine sets expectations, I always put in zero % and leave a cash tip. But I only tip in countries where it is customary, fitting in, like wearing golf clothes to go golfing. “When in Rome ….”

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Tips aren't supposed to be part of a server's paycheck from their employer. They're supposed to be in ADDITION to it. As a "thank you" from the customer directly, for doing a good (or better) job. There are people with extreme views in either direction:

People who think it's good to give at least 20%, and up to 40% of their tab, usually because they want to show off how generous they are. Those are the people who think they can buy their way into heaven.

People who think that they shouldn't tip at all, because the boss is paying the employee, and the employee is owed nothing by the customer. Those are the people who don't think they have to earn their place in heaven.

And then the people in the middle like me: old-fashioned. Traditional. If service is adequate, no complaints but nothing spectacular, I tip 15%. If service is good, but not great, they get 18%. If service is outstanding, they get 20%, plus one penny, plus a compliment to the manager to let them know their employee was responsible for maintaining high standards for their restaurant. If service was BAD, they get no tip, and a complaint to the manager.

I tip curb-side folks if they have to come out in the rain. I toss the change into the tip jar when I buy something at a take-out joint that has one - sometimes. Those are people who are already earning minimum wage or better, they are not "tipped employees."

Your third paragraph made me laugh. If tipping is required to earn my place in Heaven, I should have a pretty nice place because I do it even though I know it's it's BS.
Just curious, how come when Jesus said " give unto Ceasar that which belongs to Ceasar, and give unto God that which belongs to God", he didn't add " and make sure you tip the waitress if you hope to get into Heaven"? 🤭🫠

[retiredguy123]

I always use cash in a restaurant and I always provide exact change. So, no one actually knows how much I tip, except the server. I also carry a lot of twenty, ten, five, and two dollar bills in my wallet. No ones. By the way, the only way to get two dollar bills is to order them from the bank.