[LuvNH]

Originally Posted by Chandra10100

There isn’t one here because the villages takes a percentage of money from every business within the bubble. Doesn’t make it a very attractive business opportunity.

I believe this is the reason behind the lack of upscale dining and stores. Several years ago I had an excellent doctor in TV who, when I asked why he was leaving, told me it was due to the continual raising of rent on his business. (He is now outside the bubble). But I don't think that will change anything because the houses keep selling and selling and the price range is affordable to the average buyer trying to get away from the cold and northern taxes.

It has not always been like this. 20yrs ago when we came to TV there were some good restaurants, not necessarily upscale, but the food and ambiance was good. But I don't think things will change while the mindset is on selling homes.

[LuvNH]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I guess there are all kinds. Go to restaurants for good food and service. Do not care what others wear and shorts are the attire of the day in the summer and also warm weather.

Yes, shorts are the uniform for TV, but there are shorts and then there are dress shorts. Big difference, and big difference what you wear with your shorts. A sleeveless undershirt or a collared golf shirt, open flip flops or socks and casual shoes. I also think the older men are inclined to throw on a pair of shorts, whereas the professional men one sees are wearing dress pants and shirts with socks and shoes probably due to the fact they spend all day in their office in the air conditioning!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Chandra10100

There isn’t one here because the villages takes a percentage of money from every business within the bubble. Doesn’t make it a very attractive business opportunity.

This an urban legend. Disproven here many times.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

It has not always been like this. 20yrs ago when we came to TV there were some good restaurants, not necessarily upscale, but the food and ambiance was good. But I don't think things will change while the mindset is on selling homes.

What does selling homes have to do with someone/anyone opening a restaurant?

[retiredguy123]

The problem with upscale restaurants is that they are too expensive. Even the mediocre restaurants are pricing themselves out of business.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

Yes, shorts are the uniform for TV, but there are shorts and then there are dress shorts. Big difference, and big difference what you wear with your shorts. A sleeveless undershirt or a collared golf shirt, open flip flops or socks and casual shoes. I also think the older men are inclined to throw on a pair of shorts, whereas the professional men one sees are wearing dress pants and shirts with socks and shoes probably due to the fact they spend all day in their office in the air conditioning!

While dining with those who have good hearts, good manners, and good conversation skills, I am blind to what they are wearing. Enter someone dressed to the nines who does not display these attributes and I want to leave the establishment immediately. Clothes don't make the night. People do!

[cphubbell@aol.com]

While the mention of Savin Rock brings back memories, for upscale near here I suggest the Toledo at the Disney Coronado Hotel. Make a reservation that gets you there before sunset but keeps you there after. It’s on the Rte 429 side of Disney . Food, service, atmosphere and view. Enjoy.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

Yes, shorts are the uniform for TV, but there are shorts and then there are dress shorts. Big difference, and big difference what you wear with your shorts. A sleeveless undershirt or a collared golf shirt, open flip flops or socks and casual shoes. I also think the older men are inclined to throw on a pair of shorts, whereas the professional men one sees are wearing dress pants and shirts with socks and shoes probably due to the fact they spend all day in their office in the air conditioning!

I will wear a nice pair of shorts and collared golf shirt. See no reason to check on others shoes and socks.

Why be concerned with what others are wearing when going out for a nice dinner?

From what I have heard the developer does get a percentage of sales from his business renters but no idea about professional offices.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

I believe this is the reason behind the lack of upscale dining and stores. Several years ago I had an excellent doctor in TV who, when I asked why he was leaving, told me it was due to the continual raising of rent on his business. (He is now outside the bubble). But I don't think that will change anything because the houses keep selling and selling and the price range is affordable to the average buyer trying to get away from the cold and northern taxes.

It has not always been like this. 20yrs ago when we came to TV there were some good restaurants, not necessarily upscale, but the food and ambiance was good. But I don't think things will change while the mindset is on selling homes.

Almost all of the restaurants we go to are fairly close but outside the bubble.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Chandra10100

There isn’t one here because the villages takes a percentage of money from every business within the bubble. Doesn’t make it a very attractive business opportunity.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

This an urban legend. Disproven here many times.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

"Urban Legend" ???

Commercial Leases for retail & restaurants, are typically based on (or include) a percentage of the gross revenue of the business. That's how commercial leasing works.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I will wear a nice pair of shorts and collared golf shirt. See no reason to check on others shoes and socks.

Why be concerned with what others are wearing when going out for a nice dinner?

From what I have heard the developer does get a percentage of sales from his business renters but no idea about professional offices.

Stu where did you hear that? You been around long enough to know that
Is just a rumor or do you have inside info?i

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Where do people come up with this stuff?

"Urban Legend" ???

Commercial Leases for retail & restaurants, are typically based on (or include) a percentage of the gross revenue of the business. That's how commercial leasing works.

Is that a fact in Villages leases?

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by Aviva

You must have an alcohol problem or spend a lot on specialty champagne or wine. I don't know what. I would consider myself a food snob and have eaten at some of the finest restaurants even Michelin star in Vegas,LA NY,Paris Toronto. I've never spent $1,000 on a meal for two people. I'd have to try really hard and order way too much to accomplish that end.

I suspect this is a troll account. Having dined at French Laundry (Thomas Keller's place in Napa), Volt (Brian Voltaggio's restaurant in Frederick, MD), Studio (Montage ocean cliff in Laguna Beach, CA) and James Beard award winner Amar Santana's place, Vaca, we have never paid $1,000 for two people.

Caveat: We never made it to Hubert Keller's Fleur de Lys in the Bay Area before it closed, or Commander's Palace in NOLA, so I cannot say they would not have prices approaching $100.

Second caveat: Your wine selections (assuming an appropriate and upscale pairing for each course) could jettison you into the $1,000-plus range.

Me, I'm very happy with Prima. I'm not that hoity-toity that the experience of the "uber-upscale" places are worth the palate pleasing price.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Stu where did you hear that? You been around long enough to know that
Is just a rumor or do you have inside info?i

During covid there were lots of threads on this and the prevailing opinion was the developer gets a percentage of sales.

This is also a very common part of a lease for retail operations all over.

One of the reasons that the big box stores open outside the bubble is to avoid the percentage clause.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Dress codes are what helps make upscale upscale. They are dumbing down so many of what at one time was special to attract the masses and all that takes a hit on quality. Overpriced says a lot of what some consider upscale.

Part of my consideration for upscale restaurants is the ambiance. Lopez does not compare to the ambiance of Chop House.