[sunnyFLORIDA5828]

Happened upon a video of the 787 from behind taking off and crashing. Little doubt it was pilot error. The wing flaps were not in takeoff/landing position. Virtually flat. And the plane apparently stalled shortly after wheels off the runway. 254+ killed. So sad. Can’t link the videos. Several videos distinctly show this issue.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by sunnyFLORIDA5828

Happened upon a video of the 787 from behind taking off and crashing. Little doubt it was pilot error. The wing flaps were not in takeoff/landing position. Virtually flat. And the plane apparently stalled shortly after wheels off the runway. 254+ killed. So sad. Can’t link the videos. Several videos distinctly show this issue.

How could an experienced pilot do that?

[sunnyFLORIDA5828]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

How could an experienced pilot do that?

So agree. I now see there was one surviver. Miracle. 40 year old man, his brother aboard, dead. I read that the pilot called Mayday just before the crash. Google Air India plane crash video if you care to see…

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by sunnyFLORIDA5828

Happened upon a video of the 787 from behind taking off and crashing. Little doubt it was pilot error. The wing flaps were not in takeoff/landing position. Virtually flat. And the plane apparently stalled shortly after wheels off the runway. 254+ killed. So sad. Can’t link the videos. Several videos distinctly show this issue.

Not want I wanted to hear about while on the shuttle to MCO : (

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by sunnyFLORIDA5828

Happened upon a video of the 787 from behind taking off and crashing. Little doubt it was pilot error. The wing flaps were not in takeoff/landing position. Virtually flat. And the plane apparently stalled shortly after wheels off the runway. 254+ killed. So sad. Can’t link the videos. Several videos distinctly show this issue.

Waaayyyy too soon to call that. It could have been a mechanical malfunction...in fact, it could have been multiple ones.

Let's let it play-out and see what investigators find.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

It could have been a mechanical malfunction.

Mechanical malfunction on a Boeing? Outrageous suggestion, with their history.

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Mechanical malfunction on a Boeing? Outrageous suggestion, with their history.

You forgot the LOL.

[HappyTraveler]

Shocking video reportedly shows power failures inside Air India plane hours before it crashed

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

Mechanical malfunction on a Boeing? Outrageous suggestion, with their history.

IMO induced by pilot errors most of them. IMO this crash looks like engines wasn’t producing enough thrust For takeoff roll? Pilot error or computer problem? Engine monitoring Gages should have showed thrust problem if that was the problem?

[Taltarzac725]

They had an expert on crashes who thinks it might have been bad chemicals in the fuel . This was on CNN.

[dtennent]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

Waaayyyy too soon to call that. It could have been a mechanical malfunction...in fact, it could have been multiple ones.

Let's let it play-out and see what investigators find.

What! Wait for the facts? There is no fun in that.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by sunnyFLORIDA5828

Happened upon a video of the 787 from behind taking off and crashing. Little doubt it was pilot error. The wing flaps were not in takeoff/landing position. Virtually flat. And the plane apparently stalled shortly after wheels off the runway. 254+ killed. So sad. Can’t link the videos. Several videos distinctly show this issue.

You couldn't possibly have posted anything more irresponsible, than blaming someone for the deaths of 254+ people, based on viewing a Youtube video.

Do you have an FAA Airman's Certificate? Do you know not all airplanes use "flaps" for takeoff? Do you know the circumstances when flaps aren't used?

[Taltarzac725]

My uncle was Fire Chief in Itasca, IL. when there was a terrible plane crash just outside of O'Hare Airport. The Deadliest Crash: Flight 191 and its Maintenance Legacy | Aviation Maintenance Magazine The Deadliest Crash: Flight 191 and its Maintenance Legacy | Aviation Maintenance Magazine He and fire crews from all over Chicagoland were called in to help with the aftermath. When he told me about his experiences you could see how traumatic the experience was for them. This is still the worst airline accident in the US. My uncle passed in 1994 while I was helping take of another uncle up to when he could get into a nursing home a few hundred feet away . The fire crews in the Chicagoland area rode their fire engines past my uncle's house. The uncle I was helping lived a few houses down the street from the former Itasca Fire Chief.

[sunnyFLORIDA5828]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

You couldn't possibly have posted anything more irresponsible, than blaming someone for the deaths of 254+ people, based on viewing a Youtube video.

Do you have an FAA Airman's Certificate? Do you know not all airplanes use "flaps" for takeoff? Do you know the circumstances when flaps aren't used?

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Air India plane crash draws attention to flaps and landing gear

epa12172316 Officials inspect the site of a plane crash near Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, western India, 12 June 2025. Air India flight AI171, bound for London carrying 242 passengers and crew members on board a Boeing 787-8 aircraft, crashed minutes after take-off in the Meghaninagar area of Ahmedabad.
Officials inspect the site of a plane crash near Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport in Ahmedabad, India, on June 12.PHOTO: EPA-EFE
UPDATED JUN 13, 2025, 06:45 AM

Video of the Air India jetliner that crashed into a neighbourhood points to potential anomalies that aviation safety authorities will examine to understand what caused the accident that killed at least 241 people.

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner appeared to not achieve sufficient thrust as it lumbered down nearly the full length of an 11,000-foot runway, a distance that should have been more than enough to take off, said Mr Bob Mann, head of aviation consultant RW Mann.

That could stem from a misconfiguration of the plane prior to takeoff or erroneous weight data entered into the plane’s computer system that determines how much power is needed to get off the ground, he said.

Mr Mann cautioned that his views were unofficial and not corroborated by data or cockpit voice recorders, which have yet to be recovered from the site.

“If the weight is high compared to the actual number, you end up with a very aggressive takeoff,” he said. “If the weight is low compared to the actual, you end up with not enough commanded power.”

The 787’s landing gear was never retracted, which normally occurs just after takeoff, said Mr Jeff Guzzetti, a former accident investigation chief for the US Federal Aviation Administration.

He also said he’d want to know more about whether the plane’s flaps – movable panels along the wing that generate additional lift during takeoff – were in the correct position, noting that it was possible those were raised mistakenly instead of the landing gear.


“You don’t see any smoke or fire or engines burping or anything like that. You don’t see any structural failure occurring,” Mr Guzzetti said. “It just appears the airplane was unable to climb once it got off the runway.”

That could be due to several reasons, he said, including the flaps being raised instead of the landing gear or improper programming of the flight control computer.

“We just don’t know at this time,” he said.

Mr Mann said the flaps appeared to be incorrectly positioned, adding that trying to belatedly adjust the flaps could lead to an aerodynamic stall.

[Bogie Shooter]

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