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Simple design tweaks are allowing gun makers to get around restrictions New York put in place following the 2012 school shootings in Connecticut, prompting some critics to say the laws were mere window dressing.

New York lawmakers passed the SAFE Act last year, and announced with fanfare that it effectively banned the sale of “assault weapons.” But AR-15s, the most popular type of guns often referred to as assault weapons, are sold in Empire State gun shops, freely and legally. The gun is being marketed by Stag Arms as a "New York-compliant AR-15," and features a slightly modified stock and no bells and whistles. The gun does not have a pistol grip, for instance - one of the features banned by the act.

The AR-15 can be converted to full automatic in less than 30 minutes and there are even instruction videos on the internet to show step-by-step how to do it.

Ridiculous to allow such a weapon to be manufactured - much less sold - and is going to contribute to more mass killings such as Newtown.
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A semi automatic shotgun could do the same amount of damage.

The problem is, these people are INSANE.

You've got to figure out a way to keep any kind of gun out of the hands of insane people. Unfortunately, that's tough to do.
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I bet you can find all the instructions online to build a meth lab also
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The point is that it is ridiculous to allow the manufacture of such a weapon that can be transformed into a weapon of mass destruction so easily. Also, that manufacturers like Stag just do little tweaks to skate by with minor modifications to "be legal" are allowed to do so.
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Buggy, surely by now you know that gun laws are a waste of time, since criminals will never follow them.

Laws against murder, rape & theft are really useless, too... & might as well be abolished, since murderers, rapists & thieves tend to ignore them, also.
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Buggy, surely by now you know that gun laws are a waste of time, since criminals will never follow them.

Laws against murder, rape & theft are really useless, too... & might as well be abolished, since murderers, rapists & thieves tend to ignore them, also.
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Simple design tweaks are allowing gun makers to get around restrictions New York put in place following the 2012 school shootings in Connecticut, prompting some critics to say the laws were mere window dressing.

New York lawmakers passed the SAFE Act last year, and announced with fanfare that it effectively banned the sale of “assault weapons.” But AR-15s, the most popular type of guns often referred to as assault weapons, are sold in Empire State gun shops, freely and legally. The gun is being marketed by Stag Arms as a "New York-compliant AR-15," and features a slightly modified stock and no bells and whistles. The gun does not have a pistol grip, for instance - one of the features banned by the act.

The AR-15 can be converted to full automatic in less than 30 minutes and there are even instruction videos on the internet to show step-by-step how to do it.

Ridiculous to allow such a weapon to be manufactured - much less sold - and is going to contribute to more mass killings such as Newtown.
The OP while copying this from Fox News neglected to add this which is also in the article and adds a bit of balance to the conversation....

""This just shows that the gun prohibition lobby uses symbolic gestures over substance to push their anti-gun rights agenda. Banning guns based on cosmetic features proves that point," Alan Gottlieb, president of the Second Amendment Foundation, told FoxNews.com."

To view the entire article...

Cosmetic tweaks to AR-15 thwart New York's 'ban' on assault rifles | Fox News
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I could maybe see you point if you were on Crusade against Saturday Night Specials which probably 95% of all gun deaths, You know the 75 dollar .380's. Most deranged people on mission won't spend the 800 plus dollars for the knock-off AR let along Colt or they will steal it. If they do buy probably would be the cheap Chinese SKS which usually will fire automatic whether you want it to or not with no modifications right out of the cheap box.

The north east manufactures majority of American made guns they don't mind the tax dollars of them do they?. You might as well give up they will NEVER be day no guns in this country or the world. Even if you had law to band them they would still be around on the street for another 1000 years or till they become obsolete!
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Doubt a mass murderer will purchase an AR with only a 7-10 round magazine capacity.
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Functionally, the AR-15 is no different from semi-automatic rifles made 100 years ago. The only real difference is, 100 years ago, rifles were made of wood and steel whereas the AR-15 is made from plastic, steel, and aluminum. For whatever reason, the antigun politicians don't like the looks of AR-15 rifles so they pass laws that make certain cosmetic features illegal. The gun manufacturers then go to the trouble to redesign the rifle to eliminate these cosmetic features. I would think these politicians and the rest of the antigun people would now be happy since the new AR-15 no longer has the cosmetic features they didn't like in the first place.
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Doubt a mass murderer will purchase an AR with only a 7-10 round magazine capacity.
I believe the mass murderer at Newtown used an AR-15, didn't he? I am not sure but I believe he had high capacity magazines for it - which are easy to buy.

I also believe the mass murderer at the Colorado theater used an AR-15 and had high capacity magazines for it.
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I believe the mass murderer at Newtown used an AR-15, didn't he? I am not sure but I believe he had high capacity magazines for it - which are easy to buy.

I also believe the mass murderer at the Colorado theater used an AR-15 and had high capacity magazines for it.
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