[billethkid]

I really do hope this thread survives because like me there must be many others who have no idea why this is being allowed to happen:

Border agent laments Mexican gang members entering U.S.: 'Why are we letting him in here?' - Washington Times

There obviously must be something I do not know or appreciate about why!?

Where do they live? who houses them? feeds them? Schools them? What are their rights? Where does the money come from? Am I the only one who thinks this is also an open door for every criminal/terrorist or someone who will do us harm?

I would appreciate being enlightened without the subject deteriorating to the point it is cancelled. It is a legitimate issue that will in fact affect all of us in the not too distant future. Just do a math birth projection on the hundreds of thousands being allowed in.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I really do hope this thread survives because like me there must be many others who have no idea why this is being allowed to happen:

Border agent laments Mexican gang members entering U.S.: 'Why are we letting him in here?' - Washington Times

There obviously must be something I do not know or appreciate about why!?

Where do they live? who houses them? feeds them? Schools them? What are their rights? Where does the money come from? Am I the only one who thinks this is also an open door for every criminal/terrorist or someone who will do us harm?

I would appreciate being enlightened without the subject deteriorating to the point it is cancelled. It is a legitimate issue that will in fact affect all of us in the not too distant future. Just do a math birth projection on the hundreds of thousands being allowed in.

I do not understand it at all and IT IS SCARY.

Besides those flowing from Mexico.....there are thugs in quantities that are simply overwhelming....35,000 PER DAY...coming in from Central America and this is amazing but

"Newspapers in El Salvador and Honduras are encouraging their countries’ young people to head north to the United States, promising them an easy life courtesy of the welcoming Obama administration.

“During their stay, in addition to accommodations and food, children receive English classes, play sports and participate in targeted programs while immigration authorities contact their families,” La Prensa of Honduras wrote, Newsmax reported Wednesday."

Central American newspapers encouraging illegal immigration | New York Post

And nobody is even talking about it. The statements by those GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED newspapers may be inaccurate but why is nobody calling for them to cease. These are criminals coming in and we worry about terrorists...hmmm.

And this should not become political in anyway, it is surely current events and needs to be discussed.

I am not sure where our media is anymore...more about movie stars, and such then about this blatant violation of our law that.....TRUST ME....has to be dealt with.

In direct answer to your question, the Homeland Securty Secretary was asked during hearings about this very thing..specifically he was asked if he or anyone had told these countries to stop.....he said and believe it or not this is a direct quote...."“I’ve told my staff that we need to consider all options to deal with this situation.”

I suggest someone do something soon.

[Bogie Shooter]

Google

[l2ridehd]

There is only one reason this happens. Someone at a very very high level in government decided to change policy. I know a policy change of this magnitude requires presidential approval.

[Chi-Town]

Let me figure this out. The plea is to keep this a non political current events discussion, and the sources for this are the New York Post and the Washington Times? This could be a tough request.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

Let me figure this out. The plea is to keep this a non political current events discussion, and the sources for this are the New York Post and the Washington Times? This could be a tough request.

What is your take on this? It is very troubling. My ancestors had to come in through channels. It isn't the present administration that is doing this, the last couple have stopped enforcing laws on immigration. Both sides of the aisle.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I really do hope this thread survives because like me there must be many others who have no idea why this is being allowed to happen:

Border agent laments Mexican gang members entering U.S.: 'Why are we letting him in here?' - Washington Times

There obviously must be something I do not know or appreciate about why!?

Where do they live? who houses them? feeds them? Schools them? What are their rights? Where does the money come from? Am I the only one who thinks this is also an open door for every criminal/terrorist or someone who will do us harm?

I would appreciate being enlightened without the subject deteriorating to the point it is cancelled. It is a legitimate issue that will in fact affect all of us in the not too distant future. Just do a math birth projection on the hundreds of thousands being allowed in.

So let me see if I clearly understand your complaint. Is it that minors with gang tattoos are being allowed into this country because that is the theme of the article you linked from the Washington times? Or is this that brown people have lots of children and will reproduce to the point that gringos no longer have the voting clout we now enjoy, which is certainly the point of your last paragraph. You do know that when they let the Irish in people screamed, and the Italians, and of course the Jews. And we had years of laws to relegate those "Orientals" to second class citizenship. They couldn't even be lawyers, just cheap labor. And all those Cubans that Castro sent our way only built the economy of Miami to a world class city level. The answer is that if their parents are already here... that is who will house and feed them. This is America, we can handle it

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by blueash

So let me see if I clearly understand your complaint. Is it that minors with gang tattoos are being allowed into this country because that is the theme of the article you linked from the Washington times? Or is this that brown people have lots of children and will reproduce to the point that gringos no longer have the voting clout we now enjoy, which is certainly the point of your last paragraph. You do know that when they let the Irish in people screamed, and the Italians, and of course the Jews. And we had years of laws to relegate those "Orientals" to second class citizenship. They couldn't even be lawyers, just cheap labor. And all those Cubans that Castro sent our way only built the economy of Miami to a world class city level. The answer is that if their parents are already here... that is who will house and feed them. This is America, we can handle it

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Until we run out of money. Right now we are in the red.

[Rags123]

I was under the impression that the thread had to do with the lack of enforcement of EXISTING UNITED STATES LAW, and the strain of our border states. That, and nobody not only gets arrested, but they are allowed to stay.

If this is not considered current events, and if nobody cares, we really have problems.

Now those who find fault wit the sources, I suggest to you, it is news..it is being reported, and if any of those publications lied, you should call them on it...HERE.

I hope this is acceptable....

"Since October 1, 2013, according to the NY Times, a record 47,017 unaccompanied children have been apprehended at the southwest border, a 90% increase over the previous fiscal year, with at least 60,000 total expected by the end of the current fiscal year on September 30.

According to the Times, "Many say they are coming because they believe that the United States treats migrant children traveling alone and women with their children more leniently than adult illegal immigrants with no children." The Times confirms based on interviews with immigration officials and lawyers that there has in fact been a shift in U.S. policy."

Obama's immigration scandals: surge of illegals crossing border, deportable criminals released onto U.S. streets

Note referencing NewYork Times.
From that same article....

"The other immigration scandal, as reported by CBS News and the Washington Times, is the disclosure that despite its stated policy of prioritizing the deportation of aliens with criminal convictions, the Obama administration has in fact released onto U.S. streets 36,007 deportable aliens with criminal convictions in 2013. Those aliens, with no right to remain in the U.S., included 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions, 1,075 aggravated assault convictions, and 1,160 stolen vehicle convictions.

The administration claims that some of the releases were required because the home countries of criminal aliens refuse to accept their own criminal citizens back. But the Obama administration refuses to apply diplomatic pressure on those countries by stopping the issuance of U.S. visas to their citizens, as previous administrations have done with success. And at least 25% of the convicted murderers who are deportable aliens, appear to have been released by the Obama administration on its own initiative."
The

There has been a steady stream of reports on the caliber of folks we are allowing to flaunt our laws, but not sure what news source might be acceptable.

These folks are not flooding your neighborhood as of yet. I am betting there might be a change of attitude if that were the case.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Newspapers in El Salvador and Honduras are encouraging their countries� young people to head north to the United States, promising them an easy life courtesy of the welcoming Obama administration.

And nobody is even talking about it. The statements by those GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED newspapers may be inaccurate but why is nobody calling for them to cease.

So let me see if I correctly understand your post. Newspapers in Central America which may or may not be ALL CAPS government controlled, because all caps makes it really scary, are encouraging the young people in their nation to go to the US for better economic opportunity. You believe that somebody here should be telling those newspapers to stop encouraging emigration to the US? And you of course believe in freedom of the press but think our government should tell their government to suppress their press, even if the advise is perfectly reasonable leaving out the "easy life courtesy of the welcoming Obama administration" which I doubt any newspaper ever printed except the Murdoch owned NY Post. The article in fact says that children are temporarily detained if they cross the border while family already in the US is located. A few weeks in detention where they are treated humanely hardly qualifies as an "easy life" You do understand the phrase "during their stay" means while they are in a federal holding camp?

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by blueash

So let me see if I correctly understand your post. Newspapers in Central America which may or may not be ALL CAPS government controlled, because all caps makes it really scary, are encouraging the young people in their nation to go to the US for better economic opportunity. You believe that somebody here should be telling those newspapers to stop encouraging emigration to the US? And you of course believe in freedom of the press but think our government should tell their government to suppress their press, even if the advise is perfectly reasonable leaving out the "easy life courtesy of the welcoming Obama administration" which I doubt any newspaper ever printed except the Murdoch owned NY Post. The article in fact says that children are temporarily detained if they cross the border while family already in the US is located. A few weeks in detention where they are treated humanely hardly qualifies as an "easy life" You do understand the phrase "during their stay" means while they are in a federal holding camp?

Well, I am sorry that I was not clear at all on my post.

I wonder why one country would ask their folks to leave their country to violate the laws of our country, by crossing our borders with promises that will not be fulfilled. Does that not bother you at all ?

I did nothing in caps but was tempted to when I typed .....violating our laws. I think that is important that we will not enforce our laws at the border.

I understand you sympathies for these folks and ask you to read the stats in another post or check on your own, how many actually and really ever leave the country. A small percentage....and we are stretching our local government to the nth degree.

Those who preach about immigrants coming here and making our country great are terribly misusing that analogy. THAT is not how it was done ever before. This is uncontrolled chaos.

It must be me, but wanting the laws of this country enforced to protect this country does not seem radical. We worry about the cost of taking care of the needy citizens of our country and then stretch ourselves by allowing people to violate the law and further stretch all of our spending.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by blueash

So let me see if I clearly understand your complaint. Re-read the post IT IS NOT A COMPLAINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Is it that minors with gang tattoos are being allowed into this country because that is the theme of the article you linked from the Washington times? Or is this that brown people have lots of children and will reproduce to the point that gringos no longer have the voting clout we now enjoy, which is certainly the point of your last paragrapheXCUSE ME...YOU ARE TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT STATING WHAT THE INTENT OF MY LAST SENTENCE WAS. Do us a favor and express your point of view without arbitrary interpretation!!. You do know that when they let the Irish in people screamed, and the Italians, and of course the Jews. And we had years of laws to relegate those "Orientals" to second class citizenship. They couldn't even be lawyers, just cheap labor. And all those Cubans that Castro sent our way only built the economy of Miami to a world class city level. The answer is that if their parents are already here... that is who will house and feed them. This is America, we can handle it

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Now how about a post that expresses your point of view instead of trying to tell others what my intent was!

The attitude of the response is exactly what got the political forum shut down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rags123]

By the way, while much is denied illegal immigrants, this is direct from the National Law Center on the Affordable Health Care Act and what these illegal children for example are eligible for....might reflect why the influx...

"Remain eligible for emergency care under federal law.
Eligible for Emergency Medicaid if low-income.
Citizen or lawfully present children of undocumented parents are eligible:

To purchase from the state insurance exchange.
For premium tax credits and lower copayments.
For Medicaid or CHIP.

May seek nonemergency health services at community health centers or safety-net hospitals."

Affordable Care Act - National Immigration Law Center

Listen, you empathy is admirable, but common sense has to rule or we are going to smother ourselves within and without our borders.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by DDoug;893***

My big complaint is all these illegals will get the money that we as American citizens have worked and paid to SS. It has happened before and our wonderful government has done absolutely nothing to stop. Sorry but I don't give a you know what about the people that come into this country without legal papers. Don't ever wonder why we will one day lose this country. It's been a great ride but soon the money motor will run dry because of our folks in Washington all of them. The more people to suck this country dry the quicker we become a socialistic country. But then this is just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

Opinions are what is needed....but to point out. Our government has responded to some degree on this situation...

" The White House is hitting back had at conservative critics of the Administration's handling of the recent influx of unaccompanied minor Central American illegal immigrants who have been flooding into South Texas, 1200 WOAI news reports.

In an off the record briefing with 1200 WOAI news, several White House officials stressed that the children are being 'processed for removal,' but are handled according to 'moral and legal agreements.'

"We are engaged in the appropriate care of these children who have arrived here without parents," one senior White House official told 1200 WOAI news. "It is also true that these children are in removal proceedings.'

Read more: White House: We'll Deport Illegal Immigrant Children

From that article cited above...the following quote catches my eye...from a immigration attorney.

" Curtwright says he doubts that any of these children will actually be sent back to Central America."

Also to your point.....this is from two years ago so I assume it is quite higher now...

"A year ago, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble told Congress it costs about $12,500 to deport an undocumented immigrant.

However, a 2010 report by Center for American Progress and Rob Paral and Associates took a close look at all the budget appropriations for ICE and broke down the costs per person for each one of the four stages of deportation process: apprehension, detention, legal proceeding and transportation. The whopping cost of deportation per person that they came up with is $23,480. "

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/depor...#ixzz34juOIedX

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Rags123

I was under the impression that the thread had to do with the lack of enforcement of EXISTING UNITED STATES LAW, and the strain of our border states. That, and nobody not only gets arrested, but they are allowed to stay.

If this is not considered current events, and if nobody cares, we really have problems.

Now those who find fault wit the sources, I suggest to you, it is news..it is being reported, and if any of those publications lied, you should call them on it...HERE.

I hope this is acceptable....

"Since October 1, 2013, according to the NY Times, a record 47,017 unaccompanied children have been apprehended at the southwest border, a 90% increase over the previous fiscal year, with at least 60,000 total expected by the end of the current fiscal year on September 30.

According to the Times, "Many say they are coming because they believe that the United States treats migrant children traveling alone and women with their children more leniently than adult illegal immigrants with no children." The Times confirms based on interviews with immigration officials and lawyers that there has in fact been a shift in U.S. policy."

Obama's immigration scandals: surge of illegals crossing border, deportable criminals released onto U.S. streets

Note referencing NewYork Times.
From that same article....

"The other immigration scandal, as reported by CBS News and the Washington Times, is the disclosure that despite its stated policy of prioritizing the deportation of aliens with criminal convictions, the Obama administration has in fact released onto U.S. streets 36,007 deportable aliens with criminal convictions in 2013. Those aliens, with no right to remain in the U.S., included 193 homicide convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions, 1,075 aggravated assault convictions, and 1,160 stolen vehicle convictions.

The administration claims that some of the releases were required because the home countries of criminal aliens refuse to accept their own criminal citizens back. But the Obama administration refuses to apply diplomatic pressure on those countries by stopping the issuance of U.S. visas to their citizens, as previous administrations have done with success. And at least 25% of the convicted murderers who are deportable aliens, appear to have been released by the Obama administration on its own initiative."
The

There has been a steady stream of reports on the caliber of folks we are allowing to flaunt our laws, but not sure what news source might be acceptable.

These folks are not flooding your neighborhood as of yet. I am betting there might be a change of attitude if that were the case.

You may wish to actually read the NY Times article rather than a summary from the GOP candidate for Senate from Delaware. You will find his summary does not contain the nuance nor the whole story of what the NY Times article reports:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/wo...ermid=11951535

And your report of criminals being released, again you haven't told the whole story, and the scary headline is not from the NY Times although your posting seemed to suggest it was (perhaps my reading error)

"the individuals described in the report were released under restrictions, such as GPS monitoring, telephone monitoring, supervision or surety bond...
The releases required by court decisions account for a disproportionate number of the serious crimes listed in the report. For example, mandatory releases account for over 75% of the homicides listed," the statement said. "Others, typically those with less serious offenses, were released as a discretionary matter after career law enforcement officers made a judgment regarding the priority of holding the individual, given ICE's resources, and prioritizing the detention and removal of individuals who pose a risk to public safety or national security"

I have no explanation for the less than 25% of homicides listed and hope there was correct due process and restrictions. Perhaps there was serious doubt about the validity of those convictions in their native lands