UPDATE 3-Russia opens way to missile deliveries to Iran, starts oil-for-goods swap | Reuters

Hope this link works. See if Russia and Iran doesn't walk all over us in the near future because of what obama has done with the nuclear dial in Iran.

The selling of weapons has been a part of normal trade for many many years. The United States is one of the worlds largest producer of weapons for sale to foreign governments. Please think before you become paranoid for no reason. The world is dangerous enough without using non issues like this one to promote fear in our friends and neighbors.

Here is Russia's take on the missile deal:

http://rt.com/news/249229-russia-s300-delivery-iran/

Originally Posted by Guest

UPDATE 3-Russia opens way to missile deliveries to Iran, starts oil-for-goods swap | Reuters

Hope this link works. See if Russia and Iran doesn't walk all over us in the near future because of what obama has done with the nuclear dial in Iran.

Please expand on what Obama has done with the nuclear deal in Iran, especially compared to what France, China, Great Britain and Germany did with the same nuclear deal?

Originally Posted by Guest

The selling of weapons has been a part of normal trade for many many years. The United States is one of the worlds largest producer of weapons for sale to foreign governments. Please think before you become paranoid for no reason. The world is dangerous enough without using non issues like this one to promote fear in our friends and neighbors.

And I would say perhaps more understanding of the potential issue(s) before counselling folks to not worry.

All during our global trade there have been limitations put on certain technologies to certain countries. Almost any new or advanced technology with a military application is almost always on the no-no list...like it or not. And we have been doing it for years.

To not be concerned about Russia making missles available to Iran is the epitomy of sticking one's head in the sand....totally and completely naieve....or just being dumb about the threats involved.

Iran is moving toward nuclear weapon capability in spite of what the world has been doing (?) and saying. For them to be getting missles from Russia should be of concern to every peace loving person in the world.
How convenient for Russia to sponsor missle capability to a country that would have no hesitation to use them.

For you to call it a "non-issue" must surely mean you do not understand the potential problem. To call others paranoid who understand the problem further makes one wonder why.

And oh by the way, yes the USA sells weapons to other countries. What you no doubt do not know is there is in fact a certain level of technology weapons that the USA will not sell. Older generation or non computer operated weapons are usually what is allowed to be sold.

I would also suggest an apology to your fellow posters for labelling them....incorrectly.

Originally Posted by Guest

The selling of weapons has been a part of normal trade for many many years. The United States is one of the worlds largest producer of weapons for sale to foreign governments. Please think before you become paranoid for no reason. The world is dangerous enough without using non issues like this one to promote fear in our friends and neighbors.

I'm gonna take a wild guess .... if you were honest about your crippling liberal ideology, you would admit and even confess that America in your mind is just as guilty, if not more so, than any other country. In fact, you likely believe America is THE source of most problems in the world?

Who are we to judge, correct?

ps for you to label Russia's action a non-issue makes you non-serious about this topic

Originally Posted by Guest

And I would say perhaps more understanding of the potential issue(s) before counselling folks to not worry.

All during our global trade there have been limitations put on certain technologies to certain countries. Almost any new or advanced technology with a military application is almost always on the no-no list...like it or not. And we have been doing it for years.

To not be concerned about Russia making missles available to Iran is the epitomy of sticking one's head in the sand....totally and completely naieve....or just being dumb about the threats involved.

Iran is moving toward nuclear weapon capability in spite of what the world has been doing (?) and saying. For them to be getting missles from Russia should be of concern to every peace loving person in the world.
How convenient for Russia to sponsor missle capability to a country that would have no hesitation to use them.

For you to call it a "non-issue" must surely mean you do not understand the potential problem. To call others paranoid who understand the problem further makes one wonder why.

And oh by the way, yes the USA sells weapons to other countries. What you no doubt do not know is there is in fact a certain level of technology weapons that the USA will not sell. Older generation or non computer operated weapons are usually what is allowed to be sold.

I would also suggest an apology to your fellow posters for labelling them....incorrectly.

Excellent analysis ... the only point I'd disagree on is where and how deep the poster (ie the one you responded to) is actually sticking his or her head

An arms trade show video that is amazing:

https://youtu.be/QL_3Qg-SADY

Here is the short version. Unfortunately liberal academia continues to be busy indoctrinating students at every age that America's past is one of treachery, slavery, warmongering , conquerors, bigots and they have been quite effective in re-writing American history . So between the diversity emphasis and the negative emphasis on our past students now believe that America's past heroes are not never have been and never will be heroes. They especially detest white men and its actually one of the reasons they refuse to engage in the classics too many hateful white men who just want to subjugate the masses

Its no wonder liberals are confused. Dam those founders for risking their life and fortunes to form this Republic


Personal Best Regards:

Thanks for the link to the trade show. Never saw that before.No wonder we cant stop anything

Has anyone considered that it is the worlds fault. The them/us has not worked. Let's try negotiations without the bleeding heart liberals, nor the I want to kill something hard right. When someone is too far off center, they will be harmful to the desires of the vast majority.

In our history of developing the atomic bomb, what do you think was our intent. Peaceful of course. What else could possibly be an acceptable answer.

And what was it that caused us to turn from peaceful use to making the decision to use it against our enemy, Japan?

Does anyone wonder what type of dialogue took place when discussing the expected collatoral damage?

The asnwer is they were looking to break the back and demoralize the enemy. It worked.

And we were the worlds fastest developing, most civilized population on the planet (of sorts).

So what makes ANYBODY think that a country like Iran whose leadership openly states their goal is to obliterate Israel from the map?
How about the continual reference to us infedels and the vow to rid the world of our kind? How about ISIS back by Iran calling for the death of and to " burn America" and stop it in it's tracks.

Will the naieve and those drinking the part kool aide please step to the left side of the room.

Iran is developing a nuclear capability for one purpose and one purpose only just like we did. And now to have any doubt about whether the Russians supplying missles is a good or bad thing is just plain outright being stupid about reality. Those missles are known meapons that work. All Iran has to do is get the war head which is obviously closer than many would like to hope. Just ask Obama and watch the dodge and weave answers (again).

Some need to care about the potential that there could be a Hiroshima or Nagasaki on our turf in our grand children's lifetime.

Originally Posted by Guest

In our history of developing the atomic bomb, what do you think was our intent. Peaceful of course. What else could possibly be an acceptable answer.

And what was it that caused us to turn from peaceful use to making the decision to use it against our enemy, Japan?

Does anyone wonder what type of dialogue took place when discussing the expected collatoral damage?

The asnwer is they were looking to break the back and demoralize the enemy. It worked.

And we were the worlds fastest developing, most civilized population on the planet (of sorts).

So what makes ANYBODY think that a country like Iran whose leadership openly states their goal is to obliterate Israel from the map?
How about the continual reference to us infedels and the vow to rid the world of our kind? How about ISIS back by Iran calling for the death of and to " burn America" and stop it in it's tracks.

Will the naieve and those drinking the part kool aide please step to the left side of the room.

Iran is developing a nuclear capability for one purpose and one purpose only just like we did. And now to have any doubt about whether the Russians supplying missles is a good or bad thing is just plain outright being stupid about reality. Those missles are known meapons that work. All Iran has to do is get the war head which is obviously closer than many would like to hope. Just ask Obama and watch the dodge and weave answers (again).

Some need to care about the potential that there could be a Hiroshima or Nagasaki on our turf in our grand children's lifetime.

You've nailed. I get that some people want the world to be more peaceful, orderly and fair ... but it's not and never has been.

Putting our kids and grandkids on the sacrificial altar of hope with respect to Iran is the worst type of irresponsibility. It's criminal.

I am not sure I follow your argument about how/why we developed an atomic weapon. First off, the bomb was developed in secrecy so there wasn't any announcement of our intentions. Secondly, the actual motivation was the fear that Germany would develop an atomic weapon. The intention was to develop a weapon. Germany's development effort never yielded a weapon and the war ended before our weapons were completed. The decision to use the weapon against Japan has been a widely discussed topic. I believe the most likely reasons were revenge and making a political statement to Russia. From a pragmatic point of view, a demonstration of the weapon in a non populated area may have been sufficient to motivate Japan to surrender. Also, Japan's military had effectively been eliminated except for troops in Japan. They had no air force or navy of consequence and the country had effectively been bombed into oblivion. We could have simply stated "you lose" and gone home. As I understand it, the primary concern in Japan was that the Emperor could stay in power. If we had made that offer, the war may very well have ended without bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Any arguments about how the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved countless US lives is based upon the assumption what we had to invade Japan. I have never seen the logic in that as we would not have needed to invade Japan.

Originally Posted by Guest

In our history of developing the atomic bomb, what do you think was our intent. Peaceful of course. What else could possibly be an acceptable answer.

And what was it that caused us to turn from peaceful use to making the decision to use it against our enemy, Japan?

Does anyone wonder what type of dialogue took place when discussing the expected collatoral damage?

The asnwer is they were looking to break the back and demoralize the enemy. It worked.

And we were the worlds fastest developing, most civilized population on the planet (of sorts).

So what makes ANYBODY think that a country like Iran whose leadership openly states their goal is to obliterate Israel from the map?
How about the continual reference to us infedels and the vow to rid the world of our kind? How about ISIS back by Iran calling for the death of and to " burn America" and stop it in it's tracks.

Will the naieve and those drinking the part kool aide please step to the left side of the room.

Iran is developing a nuclear capability for one purpose and one purpose only just like we did. And now to have any doubt about whether the Russians supplying missles is a good or bad thing is just plain outright being stupid about reality. Those missles are known meapons that work. All Iran has to do is get the war head which is obviously closer than many would like to hope. Just ask Obama and watch the dodge and weave answers (again).

Some need to care about the potential that there could be a Hiroshima or Nagasaki on our turf in our grand children's lifetime.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am not sure I follow your argument about how/why we developed an atomic weapon. First off, the bomb was developed in secrecy so there wasn't any announcement of our intentions. Secondly, the actual motivation was the fear that Germany would develop an atomic weapon. The intention was to develop a weapon. Germany's development effort never yielded a weapon and the war ended before our weapons were completed. The decision to use the weapon against Japan has been a widely discussed topic. I believe the most likely reasons were revenge and making a political statement to Russia. From a pragmatic point of view, a demonstration of the weapon in a non populated area may have been sufficient to motivate Japan to surrender. Also, Japan's military had effectively been eliminated except for troops in Japan. They had no air force or navy of consequence and the country had effectively been bombed into oblivion. We could have simply stated "you lose" and gone home. As I understand it, the primary concern in Japan was that the Emperor could stay in power. If we had made that offer, the war may very well have ended without bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Any arguments about how the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved countless US lives is based upon the assumption what we had to invade Japan. I have never seen the logic in that as we would not have needed to invade Japan.

You're making a highly revisionist argument from the comfort of your office, safely ensconced, 70 years after the fact. The consensus at the time was Japan would not surrender and the risk of a demonstration shot was not worth it ... remember, we only had two bombs at the time.

Keep in mind also that the purpose of war is to kill the spirit, as well as the body, of the enemy so terribly as to make sure that the enenby will not rise again. That's the part your missing. Hiroshima and Nagasaki accomplished the final killing of the Japanese sprit to fight.

Operation Olympus was the planned invasion of Japan and the estimates for allied casualties ran into the millions. <--Read that last number again.

In addition, millions of Japanese would have died. They was also an attempted military coup (Kyujuo incident) after the two bombs had been dropped and it came very close to succeeding.

You don't know your history. Good thing for you, and all of us, that you never had to make a command decision like this as a senior political leader or general officer in the US Army.