Does anyone on this forum know enough about this TTIP proposal that has the Presidents backing, Republican backing and Democratic disapproval ?

I tried to understand what little I could find but if someone would like to "show off" (just kidding) and explain this in laymen terms or suggest any links that might help.

Also, why all the secrecy surrounding this ?

Thanks to anyone who might help.

Te secrecy is only designed to cover up the back room deals that were made to get it passed.

These are our representatives who are serving and protecting us by doing things they damn well know we would be mightily upset about and therefore the secrecy.

Representatives of the people.....

Originally Posted by Guest

Does anyone on this forum know enough about this TTIP proposal that has the Presidents backing, Republican backing and Democratic disapproval ?

I tried to understand what little I could find but if someone would like to "show off" (just kidding) and explain this in laymen terms or suggest any links that might help.

Also, why all the secrecy surrounding this ?

Thanks to anyone who might help.

That's what's crazy ... a huge chunk of our economic future is riding on this and the details are classified?? WTF??

My instincts say this ... if Chamber of Commerce Republicans and Obama supports it ... then I oppose it, especially since there's no way to find out what the legislative content is.

I think, if enacted, it will destroy what's left of blue collar America btw ...

This secrecy amazes me. Maybe a good reason but I sure do not get it and thus far nobody on here can point to somewhere for an explanation.

Whatever you think of Julian Assange, he is on the case...

"WikiLeaks put a hit out on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal Tuesday, offering $100,000 to anyone who turns over the chapters that have yet to be leaked.

The government-document exposing organization already published some chapters of the secret deal, but it wants the whole thing. It’s also using crowdfunding to raise the money to pay the bounty. As of around noon Tuesday, 60 people had pledged $23674.17 to reward those who leak “America’s most wanted secret.”

“The transparency clock has run out on the TPP. No more secrecy. No more excuses. Let’s open the TPP once and for all,” WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said in a statement.

Opponents of the global deal argue that the White House shouldn’t be negotiating the terms behind closed doors with the other 11 Pacific Rim nations. Those critics, like Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) say they have a right to ensure the trade agreement has adequate protections for workers and the environment.

Proponents argue its a debate so fragile that airing the specifics publicly would thwart progress. They say the chapters already published by WikiLeaks, ones on the environment and intellectual property, strained talks by inflaming interest groups."

WikiLeaks offers $100,000 for details of Obama’s trade deal - The Washington Post

And the NSA gets scrutinized.....

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I wish I had some helpful information, but I am as confused as the next person about this situation and am still looking for answers. However, I may be able to offer some "comic" relief. Check out the next to the last paragraph in this article -

Republicans Weren’t the Only Ones Criticizing Obama’s SOTU Address. Even Some on the Left Are Vowing To Fight This Proposal | TheBlaze.com

NOW she wants transparency and to know what's in the bill?? Hmmm...........well I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe she has learned from past mistakes.

Originally Posted by Guest

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I wish I had some helpful information, but I am as confused as the next person about this situation and am still looking for answers. However, I may be able to offer some "comic" relief. Check out the next to the last paragraph in this article -

Republicans Weren’t the Only Ones Criticizing Obama’s SOTU Address. Even Some on the Left Are Vowing To Fight This Proposal | TheBlaze.com

NOW she wants transparency and to know what's in the bill?? Hmmm...........well I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe she has learned from past mistakes.

That paragraph does bring a wry smile to your face.

I read quite a bit and do not even understand any given reason for such secrecy. We sure are negotiating a few secret deals.

Originally Posted by Guest

Te secrecy is only designed to cover up the back room deals that were made to get it passed.

These are our representatives who are serving and protecting us by doing things they damn well know we would be mightily upset about and therefore the secrecy.

Representatives of the people.....

Bernie Sanders professes to be a democratic socialist - definition of

socialism - because I think the Kool-Aid is clouding some of the minds:

Full Definition of SOCIALISM


1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or

governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and

distribution of goods

2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private

property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are

owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and

communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay

according to work done

NO MORE FREEDOM!!!!

Try this one on for size. I never ever paid attention to those books about all the bad stuff that President Obama was going to do to our country, but I recall one about how he was going to implement engineering of our neighborhoods but insuring diversity in where you live.

"The Obama administration is moving forward with regulations designed to help diversify America’s wealthier neighborhoods, drawing fire from critics who decry the proposal as executive overreach in search of an “unrealistic utopia.”

He used to joke about this stuff, or at least I thought he was..remember Joe the Plumber.

This is real engineering of neighborhoods which in effect is also the voting in neighborhoods.

We will hear cries of racist if you oppose this, but I consider it EXTREME RACISM for the government to do this.

"“American citizens and communities should be free to choose where they would like to live and not be subject to federal neighborhood engineering at the behest of an overreaching federal government,” said Gosar, who is leading an effort in the House to block the regulations."

"To qualify for certain funds under the regulations, cities would be required to examine patterns of segregation in neighborhoods and develop plans to address it. Those that don’t could see the funds they use to improve blighted neighborhoods disappear, critics of the rule say."

Obama making bid to diversify wealthy neighborhoods | TheHill

"“Instead of living with neighbors you like and choose, this breaks up the core fabric of how we start to look at communities,” Gosar said. “That just brings unease to everyone in that area.”

“People have to feel comfortable where they live,” he added. “If I don’t feel comfortable in my own backyard, where do I feel comfortable?”

Critics of the rule say it would allow HUD to assert authority over local zoning laws. The agency could dictate what types of homes are built where and who can live in those homes, said Gosar, who believes local communities should make those decisions for themselves rather than relying on the federal government."

Perhaps I am seeing things that are not there, but this, to me, has some very serious consequences.

I added it here as this thread takes a turn to socialism.

Originally Posted by Guest

Try this one on for size. I never ever paid attention to those books about all the bad stuff that President Obama was going to do to our country, but I recall one about how he was going to implement engineering of our neighborhoods but insuring diversity in where you live.

"The Obama administration is moving forward with regulations designed to help diversify America’s wealthier neighborhoods, drawing fire from critics who decry the proposal as executive overreach in search of an “unrealistic utopia.”

He used to joke about this stuff, or at least I thought he was..remember Joe the Plumber.

This is real engineering of neighborhoods which in effect is also the voting in neighborhoods.

We will hear cries of racist if you oppose this, but I consider it EXTREME RACISM for the government to do this.

"“American citizens and communities should be free to choose where they would like to live and not be subject to federal neighborhood engineering at the behest of an overreaching federal government,” said Gosar, who is leading an effort in the House to block the regulations."

"To qualify for certain funds under the regulations, cities would be required to examine patterns of segregation in neighborhoods and develop plans to address it. Those that don’t could see the funds they use to improve blighted neighborhoods disappear, critics of the rule say."

Obama making bid to diversify wealthy neighborhoods | TheHill

"“Instead of living with neighbors you like and choose, this breaks up the core fabric of how we start to look at communities,” Gosar said. “That just brings unease to everyone in that area.”

“People have to feel comfortable where they live,” he added. “If I don’t feel comfortable in my own backyard, where do I feel comfortable?”

Critics of the rule say it would allow HUD to assert authority over local zoning laws. The agency could dictate what types of homes are built where and who can live in those homes, said Gosar, who believes local communities should make those decisions for themselves rather than relying on the federal government."

Perhaps I am seeing things that are not there, but this, to me, has some very serious consequences.

I added it here as this thread takes a turn to socialism.

Yet additional evidence of what has been asserted on this board multiple times ... liberalism is a genuine mental disorder

More on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnyPsKw_gak

More information about the fast track trade authority. It becomes more evident why it is being cloaked in secrecy as we learn more:

https://www.conservativereview.com/c...s-for-pakistan

If actions taken by Obama do not appear to have the willl and the good of America and it's people as a basis, then what is the agenda?

Call Call

Grassroots, Unions Threaten Dems With Defeat Over Trade Support

Don't know anything about this either but what I do know is Anything this President is for, I'm Against knowing his distaste for America and how his goal is to transform our country. So glad to see he failed once again

Originally Posted by Guest

Don't know anything about this either but what I do know is Anything this President is for, I'm Against knowing his distaste for America and how his goal is to transform our country. So glad to see he failed once again

This is truly the most ignorant post I have seen on TOTV. Exactly, what is President Obama trying to transform our country into? You are so ignorant that even if you know nothing about the subject, you are glad the President failed? Pure stupidity.

You must be a card carrying member of The Villages Tea Party.