There is much in Washington and from Clinton about "...doing something about the student loan problem..."

Talk of programs costing billions of tax dollars to give those who took the loans relief. They say they cannot buy and do the things they want because of the huge debt they have.

So what do those of us who had student loans and did over 10 years pay then back have to say? Make them pay just like the rest of us did.

This proposed program is nothing more than another tactic to create another freebie program and buy another voting block.

I guess the mentality and the track record of the current politicians it is inevitable there will be some kind of loan reduction, payment reduction or even the out and out forgiveness of the entire loan amount. If that should be the case should those of us who DID THE RIGHT THING by paying back our debt, be demanding some sort of refund? After all there are things we could have done or bought when we were making payments and we denied ourselves and our families during that time.

Write your representatives () in Washington and tell them to vote against ANY bailout of student loans. Demand the be paid back just like the rest of us did. And add a however......if they cannot defeat the give away then for them to be sure to have the bill include some form of refund to those of us who honored our commitment and paid our debts.

Originally Posted by Guest

There is much in Washington and from Clinton about "...doing something about the student loan problem..."

Talk of programs costing billions of tax dollars to give those who took the loans relief. They say they cannot buy and do the things they want because of the huge debt they have.

So what do those of us who had student loans and did over 10 years pay then back have to say? Make them pay just like the rest of us did.

This proposed program is nothing more than another tactic to create another freebie program and buy another voting block.

I guess the mentality and the track record of the current politicians it is inevitable there will be some kind of loan reduction, payment reduction or even the out and out forgiveness of the entire loan amount. If that should be the case should those of us who DID THE RIGHT THING by paying back our debt, be demanding some sort of refund? After all there are things we could have done or bought when we were making payments and we denied ourselves and our families during that time.

Write your representatives () in Washington and tell them to vote against ANY bailout of student loans. Demand the be paid back just like the rest of us did. And add a however......if they cannot defeat the give away then for them to be sure to have the bill include some form of refund to those of us who honored our commitment and paid our debts.

It's just a way for Clinton to try to buy some young voters.

In case you haven't look, and apparently you haven't, the young are voting Democrats in large numbers anyway. They don't need to get freebees. All the Democrats have to point to Republicans, and their policies. Then, it is game over.

I think these student loans are at fixed rates over the current available loan rates. Just change the interest rate. Everything was much more affordable in our days. Using us as examples, is nota fair comparison. But why be fair? That would be so un-Republican like.

So by Republican policies you mean personal responsibility, states rights, and smaller fed government? These are the opposite of what democrats stand for. "Fair" is a totally bogus concept generally used by people who aren't interested in facts but want to appeal to a baseless emotional argument. The foundation of the democratic party. Much of the problems with student loans is due to gov meddling that propelled tuition increases far above the rate of inflation. Another example of the fed government being complicit in another bubble.

Originally Posted by Guest

In case you haven't look, and apparently you haven't, the young are voting Democrats in large numbers anyway. They don't need to get freebees. All the Democrats have to point to Republicans, and their policies. Then, it is game over.

I think these student loans are at fixed rates over the current available loan rates. Just change the interest rate. Everything was much more affordable in our days. Using us as examples, is nota fair comparison. But why be fair? That would be so un-Republican like.

Originally Posted by Guest

In case you haven't look, and apparently you haven't, the young are voting Democrats in large numbers anyway. They don't need to get freebees. All the Democrats have to point to Republicans, and their policies. Then, it is game over.

I think these student loans are at fixed rates over the current available loan rates. Just change the interest rate. Everything was much more affordable in our days. Using us as examples, is nota fair comparison. But why be fair? That would be so un-Republican like.

Your opening shot is undeserving of anymore than a BS assignation.
Now on to the rest of the story?

What you are obviously missing/ignoring is whether today or yester year an agreement to pay was acknowledged rand agreed to along with rates, terms, payments, etc.

Whether today or yester year the money was obtained per the agreement signed. So I do not care whether they are young or old or white or black and I especially don't care what their political leaning is as NONE of that was part and parcel to obtaining the loan.

It is, in case you did not get it, about responsibility and honoring the commitment. Concepts of honesty and intent. All of which somehow or other under the current political climate have become either optional or selectively not enforced.

We all knew about the fixed low interest rates. As well as the term (usually 10 years) when we signed up and had our hand out.

And, I insist, like many of us did, suck it up, quit the bitching, and complaining and pay the bill.

Has nothing to do with politics or race or religion and never has. Until now when the corrupt politicians would use as an excuse to buy votes.......encouraging those who would now get in line to weasel out of their agreement. Hence the dismissing of honor and commitment (politics).

No thanks. I prefer the American attitude i was and grew up with.........which never ever included dishonest free loading.

Originally Posted by Guest

Your opening shot is undeserving of anymore than a BS assignation.
Now on to the rest of the story?

What you are obviously missing/ignoring is whether today or yester year an agreement to pay was acknowledged rand agreed to along with rates, terms, payments, etc.

Whether today or yester year the money was obtained per the agreement signed. So I do not care whether they are young or old or white or black and I especially don't care what their political leaning is as NONE of that was part and parcel to obtaining the loan.

It is, in case you did not get it, about responsibility and honoring the commitment. Concepts of honesty and intent. All of which somehow or other under the current political climate have become either optional or selectively not enforced.

We all knew about the fixed low interest rates. As well as the term (usually 10 years) when we signed up and had our hand out.

And, I insist, like many of us did, suck it up, quit the bitching, and complaining and pay the bill.

Has nothing to do with politics or race or religion and never has. Until now when the corrupt politicians would use as an excuse to buy votes.......encouraging those who would now get in line to weasel out of their agreement. Hence the dismissing of honor and commitment (politics).

No thanks. I prefer the American attitude i was and grew up with.........which never ever included dishonest free loading.

Originally Posted by Guest

So by Republican policies you mean personal responsibility, states rights, and smaller fed government? These are the opposite of what democrats stand for. "Fair" is a totally bogus concept generally used by people who aren't interested in facts but want to appeal to a baseless emotional argument. The foundation of the democratic party. Much of the problems with student loans is due to gov meddling that propelled tuition increases far above the rate of inflation. Another example of the fed government being complicit in another bubble.

New concept for the young (under 26) It's called Wk4It. It's an old concept, that most of us utilized to get our education.

The moochers and freeloaders and professionally unemployed and all other groups with their hand out for freebies are created and nurtured by politicians buying votes.

All fertilized and tolerated by the silent majority.

Originally Posted by Guest

So by Republican policies you mean personal responsibility, states rights, and smaller fed government? These are the opposite of what democrats stand for. "Fair" is a totally bogus concept generally used by people who aren't interested in facts but want to appeal to a baseless emotional argument. The foundation of the democratic party. Much of the problems with student loans is due to gov meddling that propelled tuition increases far above the rate of inflation. Another example of the fed government being complicit in another bubble.

Originally Posted by Guest

The moochers and freeloaders and professionally unemployed and all other groups with their hand out for freebies are created and nurtured by politicians buying votes.

All fertilized and tolerated by the silent majority.

In case you haven't look, and apparently you haven't, the young are voting Democrats in large numbers anyway. They don't need to get freebees. All the Democrats have to point to Republicans, and their policies. Then, it is game over.

So by Republican policies you mean personal responsibility, states rights, and smaller fed government? These are the opposite of what democrats stand for. "Fair" is a totally bogus concept generally used by people who aren't interested in facts but want to appeal to a baseless emotional argument.

This is the one response that came the closest of making any sense.

By personal responsibility do you mean making abortion illegal even in case of rape, and death of the mother?

States rights abortion, voter IDS laws, and Gerrymandering to mention a few, those rights?

Smaller federal government - cutting everything except the military, social security, and Medicare.

Baseless emotional arguments? The old white party excels in one thing we got ours to hell with you. Is anyone going to sit here and try to defend that things haven't changed in the last forty years? What has the Republican party done to try to get the youth vote?

In the first debate, or on tv interviews, or in political ads have any of the candidates even try to talk about policies that affect the youth of today? Get a grip. Trump, Carson, and Cruz are all feeding off the anger out there for the federal government. They are making a lot of noise, and providing no policy details. They are nothing , but hot air.

Originally Posted by Guest

In case you haven't look, and apparently you haven't, the young are voting Democrats in large numbers anyway. They don't need to get freebees. All the Democrats have to point to Republicans, and their policies. Then, it is game over.

So by Republican policies you mean personal responsibility, states rights, and smaller fed government? These are the opposite of what democrats stand for. "Fair" is a totally bogus concept generally used by people who aren't interested in facts but want to appeal to a baseless emotional argument.

This is the one response that came the closest of making any sense.

By personal responsibility do you mean making abortion illegal even in case of rape, and death of the mother?

States rights abortion, voter IDS laws, and Gerrymandering to mention a few, those rights?

Smaller federal government - cutting everything except the military, social security, and Medicare.

Baseless emotional arguments? The old white party excels in one thing we got ours to hell with you. Is anyone going to sit here and try to defend that things haven't changed in the last forty years? What has the Republican party done to try to get the youth vote?

In the first debate, or on tv interviews, or in political ads have any of the candidates even try to talk about policies that affect the youth of today? Get a grip. Trump, Carson, and Cruz are all feeding off the anger out there for the federal government. They are making a lot of noise, and providing no policy details. They are nothing , but hot air.

Dear Guest: In case you have looked a primary Democratic candidate is a socialist and the top candidate is pulling so hard left to stay ahead. and that the top candidate will likely get knocked of her perch because of so many problems with trustworthiness.

Democrats =socialist and so your comments are not a surprise nor is your of mischaracterization and definition of what a Republican is and does.

Did you know that 1/3 of the students getting loans didn't think they had to pay them back? Has federal government's largess become that common that people can't tell the difference between a loan and a hand out?

did you know that because of the federal governments generous attitude to student loans that it creates an opportunity for universities and colleges to raise their tuition and for no apparent business purpose other than $$$availability?

Did you know the only difference between two women who have conceived at exactly the same time, one becoming a mother is want?

Did you know the rape/incest issue is a strawman argument to deflect the bigger issue abortion on demand up to and include birth (think De Gosnell) and how many others like him (perhaps Planned Parenthood)?

Did you know that this Democratic president has left us in great peril with his cuts in defense spending and feckless foreign policy?

Did you know there are as many rich Democrats as Republicans and" I got mine you ain't getting yours" is a strawman argument even my Democratic father repeated on a continuum but it is pure bupkus?

Democrats like entitlements they like income redistribution. Thy like giving away other people's money. that what the earned income credit is about. Its what's behind the silly CEO to clerk ratio pay scheme? Its what Obamacare is about.

Robin Hood may have been a hero to common folk but the truth is he was a crook, a robber who felt an entitlement and a justification to other people's money and that is something Hollywood surrogates promote and again is pure bupkus.

How about I'll take care of my responsibilities and you take care of your responsibilities and along the way if we do run across some who truly can fend for themselves well then we will give them a hand up?

More often than not when progressives choose they choose wrongly

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: In case you have looked a primary Democratic candidate is a socialist and the top candidate is pulling so hard left to stay ahead. and that the top candidate will likely get knocked of her perch because of so many problems with trustworthiness.

Democrats =socialist and so your comments are not a surprise nor is your of mischaracterization and definition of what a Republican is and does.

Did you know that 1/3 of the students getting loans didn't think they had to pay them back? Has federal government's largess become that common that people can't tell the difference between a loan and a hand out?

did you know that because of the federal governments generous attitude to student loans that it creates an opportunity for universities and colleges to raise their tuition and for no apparent business purpose other than $$$availability?

Did you know the only difference between two women who have conceived at exactly the same time, one becoming a mother is want?

Did you know the rape/incest issue is a strawman argument to deflect the bigger issue abortion on demand up to and include birth (think De Gosnell) and how many others like him (perhaps Planned Parenthood)?

Did you know that this Democratic president has left us in great peril with his cuts in defense spending and feckless foreign policy?

Did you know there are as many rich Democrats as Republicans and" I got mine you ain't getting yours" is a strawman argument even my Democratic father repeated on a continuum but it is pure bupkus?

Democrats like entitlements they like income redistribution. Thy like giving away other people's money. that what the earned income credit is about. Its what's behind the silly CEO to clerk ratio pay scheme? Its what Obamacare is about.

Robin Hood may have been a hero to common folk but the truth is he was a crook, a robber who felt an entitlement and a justification to other people's money and that is something Hollywood surrogates promote and again is pure bupkus.

How about I'll take care of my responsibilities and you take care of your responsibilities and along the way if we do run across some who truly can fend for themselves well then we will give them a hand up?

More often than not when progressives choose they choose wrongly

Personal Best Regards:

"How about I'll take care of my responsibilities and you take care of your responsibilities and along the way if we do run across some who truly can fend for themselves well then we will give them a hand up?"

If that's what you believe:
Then support programs to allow women to make their own choices, unencumbered by prohibitive legislation.
Don't judge or stand in the way of two people in love to marry if they choose.
Allow people to have their own beliefs, what ever the faith in a god or no god and not allow one faith to dictate the laws for all.

And as far as college loan paybacks....there were jobs when we left college and jobs where you could work for 25+ years with decent pay that increased over the years. Now the 26 plus year olds work multiple low paying jobs. When they do make payments, it is often the minimum on a loan with 6% interest.